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[MikeM]

Are you going to actually buy the game or play it off of Game Pass? You have an Xbox?

Undecided. Will go the PC route so GP is an option. You?

 

[mcjmetroid]

So hold on, the more expensive collectors edition DOESNT contain the disc but the cheaper standard version does?

What?

 

[Topher]

Undecided. Will go the PC route so GP is an option. You?

I'm buying it on Steam. Primarily because of the mods like GHG mentioned.

 

[Luigi Mario]

Didn’t the same thing happen with Redfall before Bethesda clarified that the standard version will have a disc after all?

 

[adamsapple]

i mean MS uses 50GB discs so even if it comes with one it wont run, its likely a 75GB odd download on top

so a disc is kinda pointless

They use 50GB discs for cross-gen / smart delivery games, the console can read 100GB UHDs as well.

Jedi Survivor copies a ~68, 70 something GB from the disc and rest is downloaded.

Didn’t the same thing happen with Redfall before Bethesda clarified that the standard version will have a disc after all?

Yes, there are also conflicting messages from different Bethesda support account, one said it will have discs, the other said it won't, and the one which said it won't has deleted their post.

So let's see.

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

I love how MS/Zenimax basically went 'Oops all Mattrick!' with recent releases and Gamepass (no second-hand and no game ownership) but media and even some customers are okay with that.

 

[Nydius]

So hold on, the more expensive collectors edition DOESNT contain the disc but the cheaper standard version does?

What?

Presumably for the same reason the CE versions of HFW and GOWR did the same thing: they want owners of both consoles to buy it and since one of them has no disk drive the code is the easiest option.

 

[Bernardougf]

05 pages and no "its a creative choice" joke ? You guys disappoint me!

Probably just an error

 

[MarkMe2525]

This was advertised as such as soon as it was announced so no surprise. This is what happens when you have digital only consoles available, developers do not want to limit their audience.

Edit: The game probably does not fit on a single disc as well.

Edit edit: I misread op, I thought we were referring to the collectors edition.

 

[Topher]

05 pages and no "its a creative choice" joke ? You guys disappoint me!

Probably just an error

Or a thought experiment.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I'm buying it on Steam. Primarily because of the mods like GHG mentioned.

 

[Luigi Mario]

They use 50GB discs for cross-gen / smart delivery games, the console can read 100GB UHDs as well.

Jedi Survivor copies a ~68, 70 something GB from the disc and rest is downloaded.

Yes, there are also conflicting messages from different Bethesda support account, one said it will have discs, the other said it won't, and the one which said it won't has deleted their post.

So let's see.

They really should use a 100GB UHD for Starfield or at least put it on 2 discs like they did with Microsoft Flight Simulator.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Btw, this is most likely an error. Or the tweet was about a PC release.

Memes apart, I don't think Starfield will be a digital-only release.

 

[lughnasadh123]

Whether it happens with Starfield is pointless because this is the eventuality for most if not all games.

 

[Chukhopops]

Because absent the acquisition this was never happening for a high risk, new AAA IP from a company financially struggling and wanting to capture every sale possible.

It is only resulted in an anti-consumer situation because the EU approved the acquisition of a mega publisher, and had this been listed as an issue, remedies would have been sought.

Yeah this is definitely the same nonsense from the ABK thread.

Luckily there’s a disc in the standard edition so no need for legal action there.

 

[Nydius]

Whether it happens with Starfield is pointless because this is the eventuality for most if not all games.

All the more reason why I’m leaning towards going back to my roots as a PC only gamer after this generation. If I’m going to be forced into a digital only existence, I’d rather do it where there’s multiple storefronts and competition than on walled garden platforms where they control the distribution of keys and dictate pricing/sales.

If that means having to wait longer for Sony first party games, so be it. That’s a trade I’m willing to make, especially since PC also means no longer needing to pay-to-play-online.

 

[killatopak]

This was advertised as such as soon as it was announced so no surprise. This is what happens when you have digital only consoles available, developers do not want to limit their audience.

What?

Wtf am I reading. Seriously. How is releasing a physical copy limiting an audience? Is Phil like in your home stopping you from pressing the purchase button on the Xbox Storefront if a game has a physical copy?

 

[Mr Reasonable]

That's not a good enough reason. Maybe better recyclability options should exist instead?

I think it's a good enough reason to feel positive about it, but I don't think it's what has driven this decision.

To your point though, you can't just recycle things and reach a net zero point. Recycling is better than not, but it's not as good as just not making the thing in the first place.

 

[Ozriel]

I love how MS/Zenimax basically went 'Oops all Mattrick!' with recent releases and Gamepass (no second-hand and no game ownership) but media and even some customers are okay with that.

I guess because xbox games aren’t releasing exclusively to Gamepass and are still sold at retail?

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

xbox games aren’t releasing exclusively to Gamepass and are still sold at retail?

Well, it seems now it just game codes in a shiny box.

 

[MarkMe2525]

What?

Wtf am I reading. Seriously. How is releasing a physical copy limiting an audience? Is Phil like in your home stopping you from pressing the purchase button on the Xbox Storefront if a game has a physical copy?

I mean it's not hard to comprehend. If you make the collectors edition with an included physical disk, then customers with a Series S cannot use it. Therefore, it limits the audience.

Edit: I thought we were speaking specifically to collectors edition, sometimes your brain reads what it wants to read.

 

[mckmas8808]

The future is digital, with no way to trade, give away or sell your games. And they are not really yours either.

They are yours if you have a disc. With no disc the resell and borrowing of this game will be super low.

But Gamepass so.......

 

[killatopak]

I mean it's not hard to comprehend. If you make the collectors with a physical disk, then customers with a Series S cannot use it. Therefore, it limits the audience.

This isn’t collectors edition though? This is a standard release.

 

[ShaiKhulud1989]

I mean it's not hard to comprehend. If you make the collectors with an included physical disk, then customers with a Series S cannot use it. Therefore, it limits the audience.

It somehow doesn't affect the PS5 when PS5 DE is a thing, but ok.

 

[stickkidsam]

Welcome to Xbox.

 

[LostDonkey]

The disk is dead. I don't know why some people are holding on to it for so long. It's too slow.

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

Good. Kill physical already.

 

[MarkMe2525]

This isn’t collectors edition though? This is a standard release.

It somehow doesn't affect the PS5 when PS5 DE is a thing, but ok.

Sometimes your brain sees what it wants to see. I thought it was referring to the collectors edition specifically. My bad, we were talking about two different things.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

If not the environment then money. They could save money from not buying plastic/paper and paying manufacturing or shipping costs.

If they already sell games digitally then why not just go all digital? Plus, forcing people to buy digitally means you control the price. If you want to charge $70-80 then you can if it's the only place to purchase it. You decide when it goes on sale and for how much.

AND you wont lose money on second hand copies or sharing. 1 disc sale could be $70 but over time multiple people might play that disc. Say that disc passes through 5 people then would you rather make $70 or $350? If it passes through 10 people then you could get $700!

I know Sony had a laugh at Microsoft with the second hand game video in 2013 but don't think for a second Sony (or anyone else) give a shit about you. If they can make more money off you then they will. The only reason Sony made fun of Microsoft back then was because it benefited them.

A near $3 trillion company needs to penny-pinch that badly?

And if it were Sony doing away with discs for their releases altogether, I'd be saying many of the same things. Thankfully for MS, seems like there was a miscommunication; the standard editions still come with a disc.

Though with MS games, the actual game data isn't on the disc so it's still pretty redundant on their part.

This thread once again proving why digital zealots are some of the absolute worst. Great for the ignore list though.

Anyway, between this and the 30FPS lock, there's really no reason to buy it on console.

Don't forget: native 4K on PC as well. But somehow Xbox console owners aren't second-class citizens in MS's gaming ecosystem

Only standard version will have a physical disc

So I guess the original tweet was a miscommunication. Even so, it's only a pyrrhic victory, since MS's games don't have the game data on the discs themselves. The discs only act as DRM codes on Xbox systems.

But yes in technical terms, standard editions still come with a disc and that's a fact.

There are some DCs that run on green energy 24/7. Most of the major networks are already running 50% green and I believe both MS and Google have made public statements about moving to 24/7 green power. Maybe not entirely on air, though there is some of that, but on solar and hydro as well.

Wasn't there a report either earlier this year or last year on companies being rated on their energy sustainability commitments, and Microsoft was so low down the list they didn't even qualify for charting?

 

[reinking]

So we get a physical code? LOL.

See the clarification.

 

[Nydius]

The disk is dead. I don't know why some people are holding on to it for so long. It's too slow.

And I don’t understand why some people are all to happy to reduce options and give even more control to corporate copyright holders, yet here you are.

 

[LostDonkey]

And I don’t understand why some people are all to happy to reduce options and give even more control to corporate copyright holders, yet here you are.

Wow. You figured all that out about me from saying disks are slow. You should profile for the FBI

 

[Fuz]

Hey, remember when they said that going digital would have driven down games' prices, and you all believed them?

 

[Three]

To your point though, you can't just recycle things and reach a net zero point. Recycling is better than not, but it's not as good as just not making the thing in the first place.

Let's ship a code in a plastic box that holds a code on a piece of paper that practically becomes useless to them and then ship a collector's edition with plastic and polyester trinkets. We won't ship a game disc though just in case it ends up in the ocean because we're worried about the environment.

Yeah I doubt this is helping the environment. I worry about those who are even entertaining the idea here. A sorry excuse to bend over backwards for corporations who couldn't care less.

 

[The Alien]

Lol....so digital only.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Hey, remember when they said that going digital would have driven down games' prices, and you all believed them?

Just like paid online and horse armor weren't slippery slopes.

 

[Kamina]

I'm buying it on Steam. Primarily because of the mods like GHG mentioned.

You want Starfield CBBE and Schlongs of Starfield, admit it

 

[BusierDonkey]

Looking forward to the "UK Boxed sales" threads following the game's release.

 

[Topher]

You want Starfield CBBE and Schlongs of Starfield, admit it

 

[BusierDonkey]

You want Starfield CBBE and Schlongs of Starfield, admit it

What's wrong with CBBE?

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

I love how MS/Zenimax basically went 'Oops all Mattrick!' with recent releases and Gamepass (no second-hand and no game ownership) but media and even some customers are okay with that.

Well it has been 10 years...

...and Phil's hammered down his "nice guy/one of us/gamer" sales persona pitch. Something Mattrick didn't do because he actually cared about substantive results and being a regular businessman (in spite of his failure).

Btw, this is most likely an error. Or the tweet was about a PC release.

Memes apart, I don't think Starfield will be a digital-only release.

The Spanish Bethesda Twitter just clarified the standard edition will have a disc, so yea.

Though "having a disc" with Xbox is only as good as saying "hey your DRM code is on a piece of plastic, enjoy!".

I think it's a good enough reason to feel positive about it, but I don't think it's what has driven this decision.

To your point though, you can't just recycle things and reach a net zero point. Recycling is better than not, but it's not as good as just not making the thing in the first place.

Maybe reaching "net zero point" isn't a realistically achievable goal and shouldn't be a target to reach in the first place, then? .

Seriously, some of these zero carbon emissions and carbon footprint goals are just seemingly too strict and restrictive.

 

[Boss Mog]

Hey, remember when they said that going digital would have driven down games' prices, and you all believed them?

Getting a new PlayStation or XBOX game in physical form at launch is always like 25% cheaper than MSRP where I live. Getting it in digital form at launch is always MSRP.

 

[SHA]

Cause they don't wanna ship the broken version on discs.

 

[Topher]

What's wrong with CBBE?

MikeM

 

[Kamina]

What's wrong with CBBE?

Nothing. I have running it on Xbox and PC. Although, i still like UNP better when it coms to realism.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

I have family that has zero third world country internet. You buy physical to avoid this type of idiocy.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

Maybe reaching "net zero point" isn't a realistically achievable goal and shouldn't be a target to reach in the first place, then? .

Seriously, some of these zero carbon emissions and carbon footprint goals are just seemingly too strict and restrictive.

What I was saying is that I think it's good that less plastic is being used to make something.

You said "perhaps it should just be more recyclable"

I said that's not the same as not making the thing, and used "net zero" to explain that, I didn't mean to conjur up climate change policies.

 

[killatopak]

What's wrong with CBBE?

The existence of UNP only compatible clothes.

 

[Paasei]

Funny to read that so many people actually desire to be fucked over by corporations. And here I was thinking they were just delusional.

 

[Putonahappyface]

If I can't own this physically then I'm officially out. Holy shit Phil I was that close to owning an xbsx.