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Starfield, my thoughts about early access.

DragonNCM

Member
What happened to their "day one" strategy? Should I pay more to get what they promised me?
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peish

Member
EA here is bullshit and purposedly timed with the long weekend. MS is pinning too much on Starfield, we Gamepass loyalists, suffer because of it.

EA only grants DLC and not base game, more fuckery :lollipop_ogre:
 

HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
Early access my ass. They released it already. Don't make excuses for them.
I personally am not making excuses I just know how it works and how its becoming more of a trend for games recently

You want in on early access you buy the more expensive edition that also comes with the first DLC

If people can't or wont spend the extra 30 bones for it thats on them
 

sendit

Member
EA here is bullshit and purposedly timed with the long weekend. MS is pinning too much on Starfield, we Gamepass loyalists, suffer because of it.

EA only grants DLC and not base game, more fuckery :lollipop_ogre:
Agreed. I can't imagine a business wanting to make money that they've spent over half a billion on. Scum of the earth.
 

MarkMe2525

Gold Member
Battle passes level up is a thing now. You pay to skip up levels, instead of grinding it.

It's a scam that acts as a value product. You as a consumer feel good when you buy these stuff.
All good, you didn't mention you were referring to that particular mechanic in the og post so I was confused. Yeah, paying for battle pass and then paying to skip it is a little ridiculous. I imagine, more people than I would like to think use it.
 

feynoob

Banned
EA here is bullshit and purposedly timed with the long weekend. MS is pinning too much on Starfield, we Gamepass loyalists, suffer because of it.

EA only grants DLC and not base game, more fuckery :lollipop_ogre:
EA is king at they do.
they are hated for doing these practices, yet there are still dumb people who pay for these shit.
It's like Stockholm syndrome at this point. Gamers like getting shit on by these companies.
 

Zuzu

Member
er…making more money is a genuine reason, it’s the whole point

By genuine reasons I’m referring to reasons other than making money as the reason for the delay. Some genuine reasons could be: needing more time for a day 1 patch or ensuring that retailers have enough stock that will be ready to go out on store shelves on time.

The only reason for the delay is to make money by tapping into people’s low impulse control/inability to be patient and perhaps a desire to feel special by offering early access.
 
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ChoosableOne

ChoosableAll
I personally am not making excuses I just know how it works and how its becoming more of a trend for games recently

You want in on early access you buy the more expensive edition that also comes with the first DLC

If people can't or wont spend the extra 30 bones for it thats on them
Early access games are open for development and are released months or even years before their actual release date. There's no 6-day early access. We all know they'll release the same game. Those who pirated the game may have already finished it, but as a Game Pass user, I'm waiting for September 6th. I don't care about Starfield, but Microsoft's greedy attitude and indirectly breaking their promise is disgraceful.
 

Ozriel

M$FT
I was wondering when you will come here with your knighthood.
I wonder if you work for MS/Xbox.

Also when did pointing out bad practices become a bad thing? These steps are the same reason we are stuck with mtx, all because people paid for horse dlc.

there’s ‘knighthood’ in pointing out to you that in a subscription service for games, you don’t pay for the games on the service? 😂
 
It's scam, because there is no need for early 5 days.
I could tolerate the dlc and other extra content as those offer more value, but paying early access is pure scam.

I don’t think you know what a scam is, the “need” for an early 5 days is so they can make more money.
 

feynoob

Banned
I don’t think you know what a scam is, the “need” for an early 5 days is so they can make more money.
There is making money, then there is making artificial value.
Early 5 days is artificial value that offers nothing to the consumers.
They make money from the actual release. They are not losing anything.
 

JusticeForAll

Gold Member
I played for 5h, but I am a bit underwhelmed. It's not bad by any stretch of the imagination, but in no way anything new. It's just Skyrim/Fallout in space with a lot of empty space ("planets"). I prefer a smaller map that is denser with content.
 

feynoob

Banned
there’s ‘knighthood’ in pointing out to you that in a subscription service for games, you don’t pay for the games on the service? 😂
No, just you jumping on any news that sounds negative to Xbox and defending them.
I wonder if you actually think from consumer side, instead of trusting these companies blindly.
 
There is making money, then there is making artificial value.
Early 5 days is artificial value that offers nothing to the consumers.
They make money from the actual release. They are not losing anything.

they are not losing anything but they can gain more, and there’s nothing artificial about the value because the ones that have bought it have valued it
 

feynoob

Banned
I played for 5h, but I am a bit underwhelmed. It's not bad by any stretch of the imagination, but in no way anything new. It's just Skyrim/Fallout in space with a lot of empty space ("planets"). I prefer a smaller map that is denser with content.
Reviewers said that it gets better the longer you play.
I think the more fun things will appear later.
I don't know why Bethesda did that. Current generation have low atention span.
 

Banjo64

cumsessed
Your English is fantastic (y)

I agree with you as well. This practice is disgusting, especially at this price point.

People need to have patience. Starfield in 6 months @ £25 on sale is not going to be a worse game than it is today.
 

HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
Early access games are open for development and are released months or even years before their actual release date. There's no 6-day early access. We all know they'll release the same game. Those who pirated the game may have already finished it, but as a Game Pass user, I'm waiting for September 6th. I don't care about Starfield, but Microsoft's greedy attitude and indirectly breaking their promise is disgraceful.
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I'm glad we could get your personal, very unique, thoughts on the matter.

It is what it is. Corporations trying to squeeze every penny out of consumers is nothing new or surprising. My favorite time with Diablo IV was that first early access weekend. And it's easily worth $30 to me to get a jump on Starfield this long weekend. The value is worth it to me, it won't be to others.

All games being the same price is weird anyway. Ratchet and Clank and RDR2 cost the same amount (Newest Ratchet is actually $10 more!) that will never make sense, it's just the way things have always been done. It wouldn't be unreasonable for R* to make GTA VI $100 for the standard edition, but the backlash would be insane because that's not how video games get priced. $30 for 'early access' is an understandable compromise.
 

twilo99

Gold Member
I played for 5h, but I am a bit underwhelmed. It's not bad by any stretch of the imagination, but in no way anything new. It's just Skyrim/Fallout in space with a lot of empty space ("planets"). I prefer a smaller map that is denser with content.

Yes, its the perfect gamepass game really..
 

feynoob

Banned
they are not losing anything but they can gain more, and there’s nothing artificial about the value because the ones that have bought it have valued it
It is artificial value from consumers side.
From company side, it's about making money. From consumers side, there is no value for 5 day early access.
 

feynoob

Banned
Your English is fantastic (y)

I agree with you as well. This practice is disgusting, especially at this price point.

People need to have patience. Starfield in 6 months @ £25 on sale is not going to be a worse game than it is today.
I don't think they will do any sale for this game any time soon.
That is my concern for the future. With gamepass, MS has no incentive to make their games cheap.
 

feynoob

Banned
the consumers that bought it disagree with you
It's why I keep telling you it's scam.
It's artificial value to make consumers spend money. It gives them satisfaction of playing the game 5 days early compared to others.
Your first class airplane is example of that, even though it's the same plane and same trip period.
 
It's why I keep telling you it's scam.
It's artificial value to make consumers spend money. It gives them satisfaction of playing the game 5 days early compared to others.
Your first class airplane is example of that, even though it's the same plane and same trip period.

because it’s not a scam, again, people are getting what was promised and what is advertised
 

Robb

Gold Member
This is just another “horse armor” event. Now it’s 5 days for $30, down the line it’ll be two weeks for $45, then a month for $60..

I agree it’s awful. Although while I did not go for this with Starfield I’m honestly not sure what I’d have done if Nintendo did this for TotK.. I’d probably be part of the problem.
 
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Portugeezer

Member
Yes, the game is officially released but gets artificially delayed for those cheap pieces of shit who only want to spend $70 or play on Gamepass.

It's a shit trend some big publishers have adopted.
 
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feynoob

Banned
because it’s not a scam, again, people are getting what was promised and what is advertised
Any artificial value is scam designed to dry consumers their money.
There is no need to do 5 day early access, yet here we are.
This is the same thing that people defended for mtx. People said that it offered value and now look at where we are now.
All we are doing is give companies a reason to charge us more money.
Right now, it's MS that is charging this. Next time it will be EA, Sony, Activision and other industries.
 

Men_in_Boxes

Snake Oil Salesman
If you want more AAA SP games, you want this release strategy to thrive. If these companies can reliably extract more money from your demographic, they'll invest more in the making of these types of games.

It's actually a great idea.
 

poppabk

Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Milking whales is a great thing for everyone except for wannabe whales who can't afford it. You can't wait a week, what is wrong with you?
 

HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
It's why I keep telling you it's scam.
It's artificial value to make consumers spend money. It gives them satisfaction of playing the game 5 days early compared to others.
Your first class airplane is example of that, even though it's the same plane and same trip period.
Its not a scam to me in the least as I am getting exactly what I was promised
 

feynoob

Banned
This is just another “horse armor” event. Now it’s 5 days for $30, down the line it’ll be two weeks for $45, then a month for $60..

I agree it’s awful. Although while I did not go for this with Starfield I’m honestly not sure what I’d have done if Nintendo did this for TotK.. I’d probably be part of the problem.
Yet people are defending these practices.
It's 70$ game. It's available on 17$ subscription. There was no reason to do early access. Yet here we are with MS charging 100$ and 35$ for gamepass users.
It's not looking good for future gaming.
 

Markio128

Gold Member
Mortal Kombat 1, Baldur’s Gate 3, Hogwarts Legacy, Battlefield 2042, COD MW3 and many other multiplatform games have - or had - more expensive editions that provide early access to the final game.

Those certainly aren’t GamePass games.
1st party are meant to be day 1.
 
Any artificial value is scam designed to dry consumers their money.
There is no need to do 5 day early access, yet here we are.
This is the same thing that people defended for mtx. People said that it offered value and now look at where we are now.
All we are doing is give companies a reason to charge us more money.
Right now, it's MS that is charging this. Next time it will be EA, Sony, Activision and other industries.

its not artificial value as I’ve described, and it’s not a scam as I’ve described…you are using this emotive language but you don’t know what those words mean or how they apply

if people say it offers value and pay money because they think it’s worth it, it’s not artificial value

if the company delivers what it has promised for the price it has promised, it’s not a scam

your next post should be a rebuttal to the above, I do not need more examples when you’re not able to define the words you use
 

HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
Milking whales is a great thing for everyone except for wannabe whales who can't afford it. You can't wait a week, what is wrong with you?
I admittedly am 100% the whale you speak of and if I can be totally honest I don't much care about the feelings of the wannabe whales

I have busted my ass in life to become said whale so I am going to swim like one when I want, sorry

What will you say when the industry adopts this practice?
We are seeing dlc horse armor all over again.
Ok when it becomes just horse armor I will pass

You keep giving me 4 or 5 days early access you get my 30 bones

Sorry
 
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