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[MUnited83]

Where would you download it if the official source is closed? Right, from an "unofficial source".

How did that unofficial source get it? Why are they distributing something they have no rights to? Yeah.

Let's turn to you. What exactly do you think you have rights to download? Do you think you are downloading the game you bought? You know you are not downloading from an official source, so how can you be sure what it is you are downloading? Maybe what you are actually downloading is a cracked copy, eh? Maybe you even know that it is a cracked copy, because the "unofficial source" from which you are downloading has other games from similarly "unavailable" official sources?

Again, everything depends on the specifics, but it ain't pretty.

You aren't entitled to pirating ever.

Wether it's cracked or not doesn't matter lol. GOG sells cracked games if you don't remember that. And yes, i'd be downloading the same game I bought.

I sure am happy I don't live in a place with backwards ass copyright laws like you seem to do, but we over here have actual consumer laws ¯\_(&#12484_/¯. And yes, I continue to be fully entitled to it, as well as being entitled to get rid of stupid-ass DRM from the games I buy. Hell, you can't even call it piracy because you already PAID for the thing you are downloading.

 

[crazyrabbits]

Ah, I remember that just the other week, someone called me a pirate because I accessed cut content/blocked-off content in the files of games I already bought.

Good times.

 

[Parsnip]

You know, the piracy thread was probably locked for a good reason.

¯\_(&#12484_/¯

 

[The_Super_Inframan]

Frozen Synapse 2 announced, 2016

Now this is awesome!

 

[ashecitism]

Frozen Synapse 2 announced, 2016

Says open world tactics. Wonder how they'll do it.

 

[Chairmanchuck]

You know, the piracy thread was probably locked for a good reason.

¯\_(&#12484_/¯

Actually I think the discussion is far better than the Jonathan Blow thread.

 

[tuxfool]

Ah, I remember that just the other week, someone called me a pirate because I accessed cut content/blocked-off content in the files of games I already bought.

Good times.

Wat?

Sounds like a bundle of laughs.

 

[accel]

Just a question. Do you think you own a licence or just renting it? In Europe you own the rights to the software if you bought it now (thats why I posted the judgement of the european high court in the Oracle case).

I am assuming that you own the license, because I heard the word "Europe".

They just put it back in their shop. The shop is open on weekdays.
Then you are entitled to take it back, call the police if you must. You are the owner of it. It is not theft in that case (according to german law at least).

And even if you invade someone elses house, you would be charged with tresspassing but not with theft.

Right! You call the police, tell them that you are the owner, supply documents, and they take it for you. Do that, don't try taking it yourself.

My point is exactly that if you try taking it yourself, you might easily make things super-bad for yourself, and in the end you will get your couch but get charged with something else which you did during taking it.

It's *exactly* the same with pirating software that you own. If you have a backup copy, by all means, use it. But if you are going to get what you think is a copy of the software that you own from an unofficial source, you are exposing yourself to all kinds of trouble.

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Wether it's cracked or not doesn't matter lol.

This is not the case.

 

[arts&crafts]

Firewatch looks and feels so good. Imagine a full sized open world game in that forest. Like a full (game) sized forest or national park ...I am getting hot thinking about it.

 

[tuxfool]

It's *exactly* the same with pirating software that you own. If you have a backup copy, by all means, use it. But if you are going to get what you think is a copy of the software that you own from an unofficial source, you are exposing yourself to all kinds of trouble.
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Maybe it is just me, but this reads badly.

 

[Chairmanchuck]

I am assuming that you own the license, because I heard the word "Europe".



Right! You call the police, tell them that you are the owner, supply documents, and they take it for you. Do that, don't try taking it yourself.

My point is exactly that if you try taking it yourself, you might easily make things super-bad for yourself, and in the end you will get your couch but get charged with something else which you did during taking it.

It's *exactly* the same with pirating software that you own. If you have a backup copy, by all means, use it. But if you are going to get what you think is a copy of the software that you own from an unofficial source, you are exposing yourself to all kinds of trouble.

I am aware of that. That is why I rather wanted to talk about the morality of pirating in such cases, not the legality, since no court really judged in such a case.
And people have different opinions about that. Which is refreshing to read.

 

[freshVeggie]

Don't know how people play whole series back to back. I did TR13 and RotTR and I just want it to end. Not because it's bad - it's not! - but it's too much of the same.

Back to back. Never again.

I don't understand why would you forgo such an opportunity to pun!
I was upset about missing it, but you seem to be OK.

Spoiler

Just cuase it's cheap, you shouldn't envy brits.

Hahaha

Oh I'll remember this!

 

[Large Professor]

Frozen Synapse 2 announced, 2016

Awesome news.

 

[MUnited83]

I am assuming that you own the license, because I heard the word "Europe".



Right! You call the police, tell them that you are the owner, supply documents, and they take it for you. Do that, don't try taking it yourself.

My point is exactly that if you try taking it yourself, you might easily make things super-bad for yourself, and in the end you will get your couch but get charged with something else which you did during taking it.

It's *exactly* the same with pirating software that you own. If you have a backup copy, by all means, use it. But if you are going to get what you think is a copy of the software that you own from an unofficial source, you are exposing yourself to all kinds of trouble.

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This is not the case.

"All kinds of trouble" :lol

Here's a list of troubles from doing it:

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There you go! And you're saying being a cracked version matters? Well, someone should warn GOG, they are selling illegal versions :O

Maybe it is just me, but this reads badly.

It reads pretty terribly.

 

[Chairmanchuck]

"All kinds of trouble" :lol

Here's a list of troubles from doing it:

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There you go! And you're saying being a cracked version matters? Well, someone should warn GOG, they are selling illegal versions :O

I think he means if the copyright holder would contact you, sue you for copyright infringement, then trouble would arise.
You would need to prove that you bought it before, that will take some time, then present it to the court/prosecution if it comes to this etc.

 

[Crimsonclaw111]

Actually I think the discussion is far better than the Jonathan Blow thread.

At least someone got banned in it, lol.

 

[Phawx]

Last I read from someone else translating a baidu thread was that this was coming out October~ this year.

Confirmed specs are x5-z8500, 4GB Ram, 64GB main storage. Expandable with MicroSD

 

[patapuf]

I think he means if the copyright holder would contact you, sue you for copyright infringement, then trouble would arise.
You would need to prove that you bought it before, that will take some time, then present it to the court/prosecution if it comes to this etc.

So much of this depends on where you live. In Switzerland i can download, crack, copy (for myself) completely legally as long as i don't sell it or spread it around.

Other countries have stricter laws about piracy but I don't know how enforcable they are, since more often than not it's not even worth going after individuals. Usually companies also try to spread fear and pretend to have a much stronger legal rights than they actually do (through EULAS ect.). There's a reason very few cases actually go to court and those that do usually involve the distributors.

 

[MUnited83]

I think he means if the copyright holder would contact you, sue you for copyright infringement, then trouble would arise.
You would need to prove that you bought it before, that will take some time, then present it to the court/prosecution if it comes to this etc.

Where I live I could even do actual piracy and I wouldn't be prosecuted at all (as long as it's for personal use and I don't distribute it) so a case where I even had bought it legally would have even less ground to stand on.

 

[freshVeggie]

[]http://i.imgur.com/5BmTHLP.png[/IMG]

Last I read from someone else translating a baidu thread was that this was coming out October~ this year.

Confirmed specs are x5-z8500, 4GB Ram, 64GB main storage. Expandable with MicroSD

Not quite the SteamBoy I envision but we're getting there. Good stuff.

 

[Lain]

So you should sue and wait 2-3 years?

Thats what someone did in Germany and thats why those "terms ala "we can revoke the licence whenever we want" are void.

I am not talking about the legality of the act, but more about the moral aspect.

I understand why a person would resort to it in the given scenario (company x took down game y and person z can't download it anymore though person z paid for it) but I don't think doing something wrong is morally acceptable.

Nah, it isn't. He's fully entitled to pirate the game if he already owns and paid for it. This is not a morally dubious question, and the answer is pretty damn simple.

I disagree. I don't think someone is ever entitled to pirate. If someone paid for a product and owns it, he's entitled to make backup copies of it. He isn't entitled to go to the internet and download a copy. We could then ask "well what's the difference?" and in software terms, there is no difference between a copy made by yourself and one made by someone else you download. In morality terms though, I don't think it's acceptable to download someone else's copy instead of using your own.
Let's be 100% clear. I'm not going to crucifix someone for doing it, but at the same time I don't think it is morally right.

No, it's not. It's beyond me how someone can legitimately have this view.

If you pirate a game you legally purchased for whatever reason, there is defacto no harm done do anybody in anyway. How can that be a bad thing?


Are we allowed to talk about such things openly here on GAF? Because i could come up with multiple personal anecdotes.

Why would I think pirating to be morally right. I completely understand why, given the initial scenario, one would resort to it. But understanding is one thing, thinking "yeah, that's morally right" is another and I don't think pirating is morally acceptable.

Then again, we all have our own morals.

 

[jediyoshi]

http://visionsummit2016.com/#live

VR summit in 2~ hours, Palmer and Gabe (via video) doing keynote

 

[Leafhopper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFNZxm6imZg

 

[uncredited male]

what is a JAST bundle?

So this is kind of bullshit. I have a good response to this softball post but everyone else has muddied the waters and posting it would make me look like a hanger-on.

 

[freshVeggie]

Let me try uncredited male..

what is a JAST bundle?

JAST another anime bundle.
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Bummer. My AVG Internet Security 2015 is giving me frequent "this is not a legal copy" messages. But when I re-enter my legit key (got it from a friend) it accepts to only do the same warning message the next day.
Time to ditch AVG and go unprotected.

 

[Dr Dogg]

You're better off not using the terms 'entitled' and 'pirate' as they have pretty strict connotations. A better turn of phrase would be any action of a publisher/IP holder/whatever would be unenforceable if you had rights to said product. But that's a whole fucking minefield, would differ from country to country, laws and past legal cases where it's a known quantity in some countries and untested in others (not that I think anyone but the most loopy is going to court over a singular case unless they were confident of the outcome). Plus seeing as most laws are still geared towards physical, tangible goods it's really hard to know how things might go in either parties favour. You probably be better off making a thread to disuc.. oh wait.

 

[Jawmuncher]

We're all criminals at some point in our lives.

 

[Lain]

We're all criminals at some point in our lives.

Ain't that the truth.

 

[Nabs]

Reminder for folks with the Steam Controller: The latest beta update is one of their finest yet. It adds full desktop support for the controller:

The controller configuration for a game can now be edited from its desktop library context menu
Games launched via the desktop client with an active Steam Controller can optionally use the Big Picture overlay.

and a bunch of other great updates

 

[lashman]

Kickstarter: Overload - Descent successor from the creators of Descent

 

[uncredited male]

We're all criminals at some point in our lives.

I am as pure as the driven snow.

 

[Knurek]

Final proof mobiles are evil incarnate.

 

[Ruruja]

Don't know how people play whole series back to back. I did TR13 and RotTR and I just want it to end. Not because it's bad - it's not! - but it's too much of the same.

Back to back. Never again.

I had a similar experience after beating Far Cry 3. Far Cry 4 was on sale for cheap and whilst I'm sure it's a decent game I was like "nah, not yet".

 

[Volimar]

One time i checked the box that said I read the terms and conditions and I really hadn't.

Maybe more than once.

 

[arts&crafts]

Reminder for folks with the Steam Controller: The latest beta update is one of their finest yet. It adds full desktop support for the controller:

The controller configuration for a game can now be edited from its desktop library context menu
Games launched via the desktop client with an active Steam Controller can optionally use the Big Picture overlay.

and a bunch of other great updates

I should really take mine out of the (very nice) packaging

 

[Endruen]

One time i checked the box that said I read the terms and conditions and I really hadn't.

Maybe more than once.

The confessember thread starts in November.

 

[corrosivefrost]

Firewatch looks nice, but it is indeed short. My Steam counter had me at 3 hours when I uninstalled the game (because people are right, there's not much replay value here; I suppose you could find some in wandering around and taking screenshots or maybe choosing different dialogue choices to hear some responses, but neither of those sounds like something I want to use my gaming time for). It does look nice most of the time, but I was trying to play on Ultra settings because it didn't seem like it should be anything my setup couldn't handle, but I'd get dips in to the 50s that were kind of jarring as I played. It might've been something to do with it loading in parts of the map as I was jogging to the next event or whatever, but whatever it was definitely hampered my enjoyment of the experience.

There's something about the story itself that makes it enjoyable, but like others, I wanted more from the ending than I ultimately got. Part of me wants to say Ozium's Gone Home comparison wasn't far off, as it reminded me of that game for some reason after I was done (in terms of story). I think it's a solid experience, but I think $18 for it is too much for the game when it's taking people a total of 3-4 hours to finish.

 

[rtcn63]

One time i checked the box that said I read the terms and conditions and I really hadn't.

Maybe more than once.

You're lucky you didn't get human centipad'd

 

[Amzin]

I'd love to get a Steam Controller, but I'm waiting for the mood to be right when it's combo'd with a game I want, too. The XCOM2 deal didn't seem great to me considering I won't play XCOM2 anytime soon and I'm sure it'll be discounted more than the controller discount soon enough anyway.

Then again... XCOM2 and Steam controller, hmmmm....

Edit: Different topic, but I believe there have been examples of EULA's of Steam games that actually technically made it wrong to download the game through Steam. EULAs are dumb and frequently arbitrary.

 

[jshackles]

Reminder for folks with the Steam Controller: The latest beta update is one of their finest yet. It adds full desktop support for the controller:

The controller configuration for a game can now be edited from its desktop library context menu
Games launched via the desktop client with an active Steam Controller can optionally use the Big Picture overlay.

and a bunch of other great updates

Sounds good, I'm going to have to check this out. If it's totally usable without big picture mode that gets rid of one of my biggest gripes with the controller.

 

[MMBosstones86]

Final proof mobiles are evil incarnate.

That looks like Dark Souls boss

 

[Jawmuncher]

Does it include getting configs from the desktop client as well?

 

[corrosivefrost]

Does it include getting configs from the desktop client as well?

If my damn client would update, I'd update the fw and check for you.

Edit: Hmmm, didn't require a fw update. Nice. The answer is yes. You right click game: edit steam controller configuration... and then a little windowed version of the BPM screen pops up. From there, you just hit X and you can browse configs.

 

[GaussTek]

Probably old, but whatever

The Walking Dead: Michonne releases on February 23 (Ep. 1).

 

[JaseC]

Kickstarter: Overload - Descent successor from the creators of Descent

$90 for beta access is too much money for an uncertain +1.

 

[lashman]

N++ (NPLUSPLUS)

 

[Parsnip]

It's a shame they didn't make that xcom 2 + controller bundle available earlier. Would have cancelled my gmg preorder and grabbed that instead.

 

[Jawmuncher]

It's a shame they didn't make that xcom 2 + controller bundle available earlier. Would have cancelled my gmg preorder and grabbed that instead.

Yeah that should have been something announced early on.

If my damn client would update, I'd update the fw and check for you.

Edit: Hmmm, didn't require a fw update. Nice. The answer is yes. You right click game: edit steam controller configuration... and then a little windowed version of the BPM screen pops up. From there, you just hit X and you can browse configs.

Nice.

 

[lashman]

Be My Valentine is GTA's latest off-kilter update

Roses are red, this new car is red, your mangled corpse is red. It can only be the Grand Theft Auto Online Be My Valentine event, live now.

Be My Valentine brings a few frivolous goodies free for all. The Albany Roosevelt Valor is a classic car in which to sweep your lady friend off to watch the sunset from Mount Chiliad. You can buy one from Legendary Motorsport.

There's also some sharp period clothing on offer (but really when isn't beige check in fashion?), to be joined on Friday by a couples event called 'Till Death Do Us Part Adversary Mode'. That's more like it.

All this is accompanied by everything from the previous Valentine's update too (the more fittingly named Valentine's Day Massacre Special) and the Gusenberg Sweeper is back in stock at Ammu-Nation. Enjoy it while it lasts.

 

[Wok]

Been looking a some puzzle games kind similar in some way to hexcells and found this

http://store.steampowered.com/app/370150/?utm_source=SteamDB&utm_medium=SteamDB&utm_campaign=SteamDB%20App%20Page



Tried the demo and found it really relaxing working my way through the few levels. Hopefully the harder ones will really make the brain work.

It reminds me of Droplitz, which was awful.