Kurt Russell
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Well...
Sad to see a genuinely great game doing badly just because people decided it was a clone of something else.
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Sad to see a genuinely great game doing badly just because people decided it was a clone of something else.
It might be a great game but it might also have a business model that doesnt work for it at all.
Maybe they should've gone EA with it for a while till they found something that worked for them but evidently whatever they released isn't gaining any traction and putting that on the consumer doesn't sit well with me.
Orakio Rob
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Here's the trailer for Iron Harvest:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT29OGk_Byc
Based on Jakub Różalski's art, beautiful stuff:
https://www.facebook.com/Kubasa/media_set?set=a.791234740900287.1073741829.100000413065363&type=3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT29OGk_Byc
Based on Jakub Różalski's art, beautiful stuff:
https://www.facebook.com/Kubasa/media_set?set=a.791234740900287.1073741829.100000413065363&type=3
Chairmanchuck
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That happens all the time.
Air Bucaneers was big as the mod, one of the first GL titles that were greenlit and when it launched I found one server with 5 other people. And its still Air Bucaneers that many people loved.
LawBreakers launched at a time when people are playing OW or found PUBG. The demographics are overlapping. Others that have tried LB Betas and Quake Champions might have chosen the latter, as a better Arena-shooter which will be free afaik.
I love Arena-shooters, but LB still didnt feel like an "old school" one when I played the betas. It often felt like I need to invest too much time to actually get good, learn all the new mechanics just to be able to compete. Quake Champions on the oher hand felt like playing Q3 or UT99 again. It felt familiar. It felt like "Welp, this is what I played before."
Not even saying its a bad game. Even from reading GAF a lot of people like me, who loves Arena shooters, were put off by the betas.
Kurt Russell
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I had a completely different experience, but I get the "f2p vs paid" thing. I guess they should have taken the easy road and go F2P with an aggressive monetization system instead of trying to avoid that kind of thing with a fairly priced release.
Scythe, the boardgame set in the same universe, is awesome too.
Chairmanchuck
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Sure. Im just saying I felt like that. And apparently some other Gaffers too. Also a reason I didnt buy it is because I am fearing that the community will be dead quickly.
Regarding F2P vs 30$. To me it wouldnt be a problem. I bought OW, Diablo, CS:Go 3 etc. at release. But I personally trust Valves and Blizz's fanbase more to be able to maintain a community.
Jawmuncher
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They REALLY should've pushed for cross play especially since there's no Xbox release
spindoctor
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I never understand how people arrive at this narrative.
The game launched a week ago, has consistently been in the global top sellers list and has sold 55,000 copies in that time. 53,000 of those customers have played the game. What about those people? They gave it a chance, right? Why are they not playing the game? Why is the peak concurrent sitting at 1300?
The game might be amazing but it's having trouble holding on to the people who did buy it, and you're going to blame the people who didn't? Fifty thousand sales in a week has to put this game in the 99.9 percentile for successful indie launches on Steam.
Kurt Russell
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It's not an indie game though, it has a pretty big publisher backing it (Nexon)
My comment was more of a jab at people who seem to love seeing it do relatively bad than a catch all thing (in hindsight, that probably was a mistake)
And about the players thing, PUBG has 7 million owners, less than 10% of those play the game concurrently. Considering it's a way easier game to get into, I think it's not hard to see why all the LawBreakers owners aren't playing it at the same time.
Indeed sad. It's the only FPS online game I truly enjoy (besides Rainbow 6 Siege but I had to stop because reasons). Fantastic game. I hope the population somehow climbs back up even slowly. They just need to fix/patch the game ASAP (more features/modes, better matchmaking, ranking system, etc).
That's a great price for it. I was a huge fan of Braid, and bought the Humble Freedom Bundle primarily because The Witness was in it. I finished it a few weeks ago, and it was well worth it. While yes, the game can be boiled down to "walk around and solve line puzzles", in the same way a Mario game can be boiled down to "run and jump on things", the game does an amazing amount of things with such a basic idea. There are so many "ah-ha" moments where you finally figure out a puzzle that's been stumping your for hours, and despite some of them being kind of obtuse, the game's never unfair.
It also helps that it an absolutely gorgeous game. Despite spending hours upon hours wandering around the island, I never got bored of just looking around.
Spring-Loaded
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Is it the same demo that people said wasn't representative of the full game?
sixteen-bit
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I wonder if they're gonna walk back the statement that steam refund was like a built-in demo
NeoRaider
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No.
it's one hour trial of the full game and progress carries over if you decide to buy the game.
LawBreakers could have avoided their demise a lot of ways.
I think the biggest thing might have been to sort of couch it more firmly in UT99 molding. Strong bot support, strong mod support, something along those lines.
Or make a single player campaign.
There's simply too much strong competition to do something that's just kind of out there. Only the most extreme gamers are going to pick up LawBreakers (because they're going to also own PUBG, Overwatch, and are playing Quake Champions already, because that last one's free; and they game 18 hours a day).
Imagine a human that would skip both the PUBG and Overwatch zeitgeists to play LawBreakers instead. That human does not exist.
I think the biggest thing might have been to sort of couch it more firmly in UT99 molding. Strong bot support, strong mod support, something along those lines.
Or make a single player campaign.
There's simply too much strong competition to do something that's just kind of out there. Only the most extreme gamers are going to pick up LawBreakers (because they're going to also own PUBG, Overwatch, and are playing Quake Champions already, because that last one's free; and they game 18 hours a day).
Imagine a human that would skip both the PUBG and Overwatch zeitgeists to play LawBreakers instead. That human does not exist.
arts&crafts
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Bubbavelli
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Overwatch is pretty ehhh to me and I have no interest in PUBG so Lawbreakers it is!
for the record, I don't have friends to play games with which may explain why I never got too into overwatch
My brother is one of those people.
Then again we were firmly in the UT99 camp back in the day, so it just seems like a good fit.
map guy is sometimes near the starting area so it becomes a really binary thing of either u find him or you don't. he's not a reward but a condition instead. the game's equivalent of bonfires feels a lot more like the relief you talk about cos it's both respite from a grueling section, but also reward and a sense of accomplishment over what you survivedIs it really "exploring" if you have a map? *Philosoraptor.jpg*
Jokes aside, I can see your angle but I like the idea of going in semi blind to this subterranean world. Adds a sense of danger and risk. Can't just rush in without considering your next step.
I think "relief" is a valid emotion to tap into in games like this too. The rush of relief after I finallywas amazing.beat the Mantis Lords
i'd agree with your idea of danger and risk if the level design was a bit stronger, individual areas are fun to go trough but levels themselves loop around in ways i find really difficult to map in my head and all sense of tension goes away when you're walking in circles...
That's the sort of map dreams are made of.
Yeah, nightmares.
Wok
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On that note: Where does one get Unity the cheapest if one does not have a Xbox One?
It looks great.
TetraxShards
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My hope is Horizon and Zelda split the MUH IMMERSION vote and PUBG sneaks a win, but I hoped for an Overwatch win and that didn't happen.
Kudo
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Zelda, Super Mario Odyssey, Persona 5, Nier, Nioh.. I think PUBG has chance at winning too but not sure how many people will rate it higher than single player experiences.
Nevertheless it's been pretty crazy year.
Jawmuncher
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Too bad we can't vote PUBG for SteamGAF
PandaPedinte
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But multiplayer games can't be GOTY because they don't have a deep story! It goes against the sacred rules of gaming and encompass all of what is wrong with the medium! /s
Kudo
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I haven't played PUBG so can't comment for that, actually looks like lot of fun, but I for one am happy Overwatch didn't get the GOTY here.
Game that's toxic to roots, causes more pain than enjoyment and to top that with very minor content updates and gameplay patches that break balance for worse, it didn't deserve it, but like I said, just my opinion.
GhostTrick
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Forget what I said about PUBG, I totally dig it.
PUBG has no chance to win in a year where a new mainline Zelda, a new mainline Mario and a new mainline Persona come out.
PandaPedinte
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I still haven't played PUBG and I didn't like the little I played of Overwatch. I made that post because last year people were going crazy whenever a gaming site could choose Overwatch as their GOTY pick, some years ago I remember reading in a thread someone saying indie games shouldn't be eligible for GOTY. I don't know what exactly happens but when a game that's not so darling or hugely praised on gaming side wins a GOTY for whatever publication you can count that the thread will be filled with members complaining how the list is trash, or invalid and etc.
NingenJanai
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Rage is fun.
Kudo
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Ah, I see.
That's sad, of course indie games and multiplayer-only games should be just as eligible for GOTY Awards as singleplayer-only ones.
Kudo
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No, Early Access games are not eligible so unless it gets retail release this year it's a no-go.
EDIT: From their Steam page: "So, we have decided that we are going push the full launch back a bit from the initial six-month timeframe, but want to assure you that we are still planning a full release before the end of Q4 2017."
yeah that's a bummer
i feel ppl liked to hate on that game for no real reason
i also think it released in a weird period of very strong and popular multiplayer shooters in the same price range and it probably didn't do such a good job of carving its own niche
Crimsonclaw111
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Gonna try Prey later on for sure
Kurt Russell
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Yeah, well, that's just like, your opinion, man.
Yes, it is also the opinion of most people, even the ones that actually bought the game.
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