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Stellaris |OT| Imperium Universalis
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Poodlestrike
Banned
Could be the promised "Fallen Empires wake up and start slugging it out with eachother" thing that (iirc) never materialized.
The capitalization makes me think it's the name of the first expansion. Could be wrong though.
Lister
Banned
That's wha I thought as well.
Anyone else waiting on Heinlein to play again? Got so many games keeping me busy in the meantime, but I'm really looking forward to it! And if there's some DLC coming along wiht it, I'll probably scoop it up too.
We had a few spare moments on New Horizons and managed to squeeze out an Andorian ship set earlier than planned:
Might revisit down the line to try and make them a bit more varied, but I think we did a good job with only one on-screen ship type to play with.
Having a lot of fun writing the "Cardassian Literature" flavour events too. Little excerpts from the books Garak mentions in The Wire, like "The Never Ending Sacrifice", with cool little country buffs.
Might revisit down the line to try and make them a bit more varied, but I think we did a good job with only one on-screen ship type to play with.
Having a lot of fun writing the "Cardassian Literature" flavour events too. Little excerpts from the books Garak mentions in The Wire, like "The Never Ending Sacrifice", with cool little country buffs.
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Deleted member 231381
Unconfirmed Member
I was guessing a crisis, like Machine Consciousness or the Scourge or the War in Heaven.
It would make sense that its another end game crisis. They already have three staple tropes for end game events (AI rebellion, Tyranid cross-galactic invasion, alternate dimension invasion). War in Heaven would be a Babylon 5 styled event where the Fallen Empires all re-awaken and go to war with each other and the rest of the galaxy.
Eduardboon
Member
Also really looking forward to the patch. Hopefully it'll restore the good performance I had before the latest patch.
On a related note: any 144hz gsync users here? How are you playing your 4X games? I feel like I have to disable gsync and cap to 60hz for most games because it'll stutter otherwise. (Especially civilisation 5, BE and Stellaris )
On a related note: any 144hz gsync users here? How are you playing your 4X games? I feel like I have to disable gsync and cap to 60hz for most games because it'll stutter otherwise. (Especially civilisation 5, BE and Stellaris )
super-famicom
Member
Should I enslave my own population or look for other species to enslave? Fanatic collectivist here.
Also off topic: Gal Civ 3 is on sale on Steam this weekend. How is it compared to Stellaris? I've only played this, Civ V, and Endless Space/Legend, but really like the space themed 4x games.
Also off topic: Gal Civ 3 is on sale on Steam this weekend. How is it compared to Stellaris? I've only played this, Civ V, and Endless Space/Legend, but really like the space themed 4x games.
LurkerPrime
Member
If your pops have 100% slave tolerance or xeno slave tolerance and you can commit slaves to high yields of food or minerals, it can be worthwhile to enslave them. But any non-collectivist pops will be unhappy at the presence of slaves (UNLESS you enslave them, too!) and it will, in general, make pop management more of a pain due to the penalty they have with energy and research. Slavery also negates the effects of (un)happiness which can work both ways. Like, for production worlds, while utilising the right government and (I think) techs, full slavery can boost yields significantly.
That said, non-collectivist empires will disagree (as in, take an opinion hit with you) because of the slavery policy in general, so if you aren't planning to use it be sure to disable it.
Here's the de facto MoO |OT|. It's filled with people wondering the same thing.
Personally, watching Giant Bomb's Unfinished from a few months ago completely unsold me on it.
Stellaris or MoO 2 would be my go-to for space 4X games. Yes--even now, MoO 2 stands up there as one of the best. GalCiv2 always seemed lifeless and sterile to me, and I haven't played GalCiv3; though with Stellaris out I also feel no need to.
That said, non-collectivist empires will disagree (as in, take an opinion hit with you) because of the slavery policy in general, so if you aren't planning to use it be sure to disable it.
Here's the de facto MoO |OT|. It's filled with people wondering the same thing.
Personally, watching Giant Bomb's Unfinished from a few months ago completely unsold me on it.
Stellaris or MoO 2 would be my go-to for space 4X games. Yes--even now, MoO 2 stands up there as one of the best. GalCiv2 always seemed lifeless and sterile to me, and I haven't played GalCiv3; though with Stellaris out I also feel no need to.
I wouldn't suggest Gal Civ 3. I got scores of hours out of it, but half of that was spent designing ships. The game has some pretty bad micromanagement issues. I love stardock.
I like the sound of that. Super high stakes!
All of that sounds awesome. The War in Heaven in particular sounds like just what the end game needs... As much as I hate buying paradox DLC day 1, I think I'm in.
GrandHarrier
Member
Oh my God. We can have a "Get the hell out of our galaxy" moment?!
So yeah, Babylon 5 here we come. I couldn't be happier with this!
Edit: just read the dev diary, and he lists the Shadows and Vorlons as what the Fallen Empires should be. Heh.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Man, that is exactly what I was hoping would be in at launch.
Sounds goooooood.
Sounds goooooood.
LurkerPrime
Member
Titans, Vorlons, and galaxies at war.
Oh my.
Oh my.
Poodlestrike
Banned
I looooove the look of Titans, but I'm not getting excited about them just yet, lol. Need to know if/when/how I can build them, and if they're going to be any better than a giant heaping pile of Corvettes.
The Dev Diary already states that the player will not yet be able to build Titans. That will probably be for a future patch/DLC. I'm okay with it really, because the Fallen Empires need something to stand out. You can already match them if you research enough, so them having a super-ship that the player can't normally have is great IMO.
Lister
Banned
Agreed. The Fallen empires should have something unique to scare us with
It would be cool maybe to be able to build a limited number as a reward for choosing to join a seperatist coalition and winning (and after spending a lot of research), when the war on heaven breaks out.
Poodlestrike
Banned
While I sort of agree, it does run counter to the idea that the Fallen Empires are just regular empires that reached staggering heights and then stagnated; anything they can do, I'd like to be able to do, even if it is a very late game tech.
GrandHarrier
Member
Just make it take a million years in game to unlock.
I can't stop playing this game. Halp!
In my current game I chose a ring galaxy and got sandwiched between two Fallen Empires with one regular neighbor who was very opposed to my militant materialists. We then fought one war which I won and I vasalized them. Eventually they tried to rise up when they built up a larger death ball than mine but thanks to my superior production capacity I was able to stall and harass them until I had surpassed their numbers and then descend on them with the power of a thousand suns.
As I had chosen wormhole travel after a bit of time researching I was able to just barely touch the other side of the FE and did a bit more expansion before running into another wall. I am now researching like mad so I can crush this FE that is annoying me so much.
In my current game I chose a ring galaxy and got sandwiched between two Fallen Empires with one regular neighbor who was very opposed to my militant materialists. We then fought one war which I won and I vasalized them. Eventually they tried to rise up when they built up a larger death ball than mine but thanks to my superior production capacity I was able to stall and harass them until I had surpassed their numbers and then descend on them with the power of a thousand suns.
As I had chosen wormhole travel after a bit of time researching I was able to just barely touch the other side of the FE and did a bit more expansion before running into another wall. I am now researching like mad so I can crush this FE that is annoying me so much.
Agreed. The Fallen empires should have something unique to scare us with
It would be cool maybe to be able to build a limited number as a reward for choosing to join a seperatist coalition and winning (and after spending a lot of research), when the war on heaven breaks out.
Eh, the dev diary also talks about flagships for the conventional races which seem like mini-titans, so I think it'll be fine.
I do want to eventually be able to build a death-star equivalent, all the same.
One those not simply crush a Fallen Empire.
Seriously, they have every normal tech in the game with fleets worth like 100+K in combination.
That's not to say that going to war with them has no benefit, though.
call_kotaku
Member
Letting a fallen empire destroy half my spaceports before humiliating me did give me plenty of opportunities to research particle lance tech, even though I don't think I as much as scratched one of their ships. That might be fixed now, but I suppose it makes enough sense in the lore to analyze my own wreckage to reverse-engineer the technology that destroyed it.
Sucks for my neighbors that got wrecked by a phalanx of long range beams a couple of decades later.
Sucks for my neighbors that got wrecked by a phalanx of long range beams a couple of decades later.
One Foul Note
Member
Dev Diary 44 - Space Creature Rework
A few details about where they want to take space creatures and pirate attacks in the Hein patch. Not a huge amount of details (fairly short diary entry overall) but it is good to see that they are addressing the problems with the current setup.
A few details about where they want to take space creatures and pirate attacks in the Hein patch. Not a huge amount of details (fairly short diary entry overall) but it is good to see that they are addressing the problems with the current setup.
Seems like a good start, but there definitely needs to be more still to make these more interesting.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
Stellaris 1.6 is going to be amazing.
Was there any doubt? The game's framework is damn solid. All that was really missing - aside from quality of life fixes to the UI - was a bunch of well written content. I'm very much looking forward to the mid-game stuff the new writer is coming up with for Heinlein and beyond.
I'm really excited about pirate "areas". We've done a lot of work making new country types in New Horizons, mostly to properly simulate Federation member worlds, or "minor races" that should defend themselves but not expand. Being able to set a zone of operations to pirates basically stops us from having to script in something bespoke for Hirogen or Orion pirates.
eyeball_kid
Member
Reading this dev diary and the quoted bit here (^), what does that mean exactly? I don't have the game, been waiting for it to mature a bit, but is there no real economic system in the game?
If you don't create them, the game randomly creates them for you. I prefer to have a pool of races I've created myself, personally.
*After paying another 40 quid for expansions
But it will be so worth it.
Depends on what you mean. You can trade minerals for star maps, strategic resources, etc. with other nations, yes. But there're no trade routes to disrupt or civilian vessels that trade with other nations in the game. The fact that they brought up that fact make me think the next major expansion will add that.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
You can engage in empire-to-empire direct trade through the diplomacy interface, but transfers are near instantaneous from memory. You might offer me 50 minerals for 50 engergy, for example. There is no "trade route mechanics" in the game like there is in e.g. Galactic Civilizations where you send freighters to establish generic trade routes that enrich both countries. Since the only trade in the game currently is instant and there are no mechanics modeling the actual transfer from one country to another, there is nothing for Pirates to intercept.
LurkerPrime
Member
Speaking of trade routes, I hope they implement Civilization 5-style trade routes at some point. Those are so fun and they'd fit right in to so much of the game's mechanics.
Good, promising changes.
I was always expecting the raiders to do more.
As mentioned, they're randomly created with what's available. But you can also design a full empire and set them to "randomly," "never," or "always" be in your game.
And in spite of the 40-60 odd species portraits, expect to have 2 or more repeats. I don't know how they managed to out-RNG themselves, but they've done it.
Good, promising changes.
I was always expecting the raiders to do more.
As mentioned, they're randomly created with what's available. But you can also design a full empire and set them to "randomly," "never," or "always" be in your game.
And in spite of the 40-60 odd species portraits, expect to have 2 or more repeats. I don't know how they managed to out-RNG themselves, but they've done it.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
Truly random selections make it very likely.
There are 365 possible birthdays in a year but if you get 50 random people in a room, the probability of a collision is extremely high.
What they need is a) far more portraits to choose from and b) an algorithm specifically designed to avoid duplications.
eyeball_kid
Member
Gotcha, thanks for clarifying. The only strategic game I've been playing lately is Endless Legend, and assumed those kinds of trade routes would be in this game since it's Paradox and they tend to focus on the micro-systems. Also been playing NMS and that kind of simplified supply-and-demand resource system could work in a 4x game. Endless Legend does that a bit with its open market, though I don't know if the market prices there are affected by anything other than RNG. Hopefully at least trade routes are coming.
But I assume that means going for an economic victory in Stellaris is either not possible right now or not very fulfilling?
Asking for a friend
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
These games don't usually have "victory conditions". You play until you acomplish what you want to.
The best way to alleviate this I think is to add more points of variation to secondary species attributes. Like something in the portrait asset file that randomly assigns the species different noses, ears, cloth groups etc. At the moment you get to play with just a body asset split into phenotype and colour, a hair asset and a clothing asset. From what I can see there's no real way to add an extra layer.
I know Stellaris was built to be more random / symmetric than previous Paradox games, but I think there's scope to add more scripted empires and stories to give the aliens personality.
LurkerPrime
Member
Eh, there's in a tight corner regarding portraits. They're animated, plus very asymmetrical in appearance, so no lone addition could apply to all of them universally; the only thing they all have in common is a background, after all. It'd probably be easer to just keep adding more portraits through species packs and expansions than try to reinvent the wheel on them.
However, it would be nice to have distinct variants on all of them, as wasteful of devtime as that'd be. Mostly for augmented spin-offs or weird events.
However, it would be nice to have distinct variants on all of them, as wasteful of devtime as that'd be. Mostly for augmented spin-offs or weird events.