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Rob said:
..because Nintendo cant survive without differentiating themselves from Sony and MS. if its different, and fun. more power to them.
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..because Nintendo cant survive without differentiating themselves from Sony and MS. if its different, and fun. more power to them.
imastalker co.
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the rumor about the screen sounds very very very bunk to me.
anyways, a very reliable source that's yet to fail me just told me that system will be completely wireless in every way. apparently a wireless connection to your TV is definitely going down.
what their reasons for doing this are, who knows. maybe it has something to do with the system/controller design. in any case, a wireless connection to your television has definitely piqued my interest, since i figure they're doing this for reasons aside from well, wirelessly connecting the system to your tv.
anyways, a very reliable source that's yet to fail me just told me that system will be completely wireless in every way. apparently a wireless connection to your TV is definitely going down.
what their reasons for doing this are, who knows. maybe it has something to do with the system/controller design. in any case, a wireless connection to your television has definitely piqued my interest, since i figure they're doing this for reasons aside from well, wirelessly connecting the system to your tv.
I don't know about three. But I definetly want the same base gaming functionality. I just finished Mercenaries. I'm looking forward to Phantom Dust and Jade Empire. I've got RE4 and Zelda:Machoor to look forward to when Zelda hits and I pick up a Cube again. Fight Night and Winning Eleven continue to roxorz my boxorz. I'm having a whale of a time with weekly bouts of Tekken 5 with my friends. So you'd better believe I want the same damn gaming functionality.goomba said:
Johnny Nighttrain said:
Would be interesting if true. These rumors originated last year, didn't they? I'd sure like to see this happen. I have too many damn wires in my room already.
Plus, I have my own theories on what "wireless everything" can bring gamers.
Best not to get my hopes up, though.
As for Nintendo's alleged inability to compete if they don't differentiate.. SCREW that. If Nintendo had the same level of first party software with the Cube that they did with the N64 then Nintendo would have competed a helluva lot better. Now some of it wasn't their fault (Rare getting even SLOWER and Retro imploding for example), but EAD turning into a giant dispenser of suck was. They wasted time with with pointless software like Luigi's mansion, and nice but B level games like Animal Crossing and Pikmin all in service of Iwata's 'GAMERS WANT SIMPLER GAMES!!!lone' mantra. Sunshine flopping and Wind Waker's failure as a sequel cemented the problem.
Nintendo would have competed just fine if they had kept their N64 level genius. EAD were untouchable game design gods for Pete's sake. emphasis on the 'were'.
Nintendo would have competed just fine if they had kept their N64 level genius. EAD were untouchable game design gods for Pete's sake. emphasis on the 'were'.
goomba said:
I think some variety would definitely be nice, and give further credence to owning all three consoles next gen, if you wanted, because you wouldn't have three extremely similar machines with a few different games each. I just fear for my favorite gaming franchises, how they will be played. Despite the hatred heaped on them, I enjoyed Mario and Zelda this gen, maybe not as much as other entries in the series, but still very much. Of course Metroid was universally acclaimed (MP1 anyway). Naturally I eagerly anticipate their continuing entries this gen and next gen, but I don't want there to be some off-the-wall play mechanics required to fully enjoy them. That's all.
Rob said:
Oh, there is a need for it. The system used today works just fine, but it has reached a creative plateau where we just get the same types of games over and over again. The limits given by the controllers have quite a lot to do with this. Nintendo aren't doing as well as they used to, so it's only natural that they try to invent other ways of playing instead of just following what is popular or what works, given their seemingly genuine interest in innovating and being first with new ideas. They want to be leaders again by going first into a different direction, and I think creating a new type of controller is the most logical way of doing this.
Another reason for coming up with a different controller is that there's a very, very large number of people who don't like or even can't use the current systems. I sell games for a living, and I've made middle-aged women I know try out the DS and fall completely in love with it, and they NEVER wanted to even try the usual systems. I don't know if these particular women will buy a DS for themselves (not until Nintendogs comes out, anyway...), but this at least shows me that something as simple as playing by touching instead of with buttons is sufficient to make non-gamers interested in playing. And that's only a good thing - gaming can't be just for males aged 15-30 forever.
I don't understand why people only see the need for something genuinely new if there's also a slump in the market. The market as it is has a potential to become much, much bigger, but only if it can reel in people who don't play games now. Making new ways of controlling the games might just be a way of doing just that.
Johnny Nighttrain said:
Hmm..Sounds interesting if true.
Can they wirelessly connect the Revolution to your TV feasibly?
Would that also mean that the standard controller pack in will be wireless as well?
Actually, this goes in line with what Reggie and company have been saying for the past year or so since the DS.
The whole 'cutting the line' and 'it's not online, it's no-line' speal.
Hmm...
The next generation of wifi would have enough bandwidth to send video wirelessly, even up to DVD quality. So wireless connection to the TV is very possible.
Interestingly one of the next-generation technologies, Ultra Wide Band (UWB) is also used for position-sensing and imaging. Some facts about UWB:
UWB makes it possible to stream huge amounts of data through the air over short distances. One of the more likely uses of UWB is to make it possible to send DVD quality video images wirelessly to TV screens or to let people beam music to media players around their home.
Cambridge-based Ubisense has about 40 customers around the world using the short-range radio technology, said David Theriault, standards and regulatory liaison for Ubisense. He said that UWB was driving novel ways to interact with computers. "It's like having a 3D mouse all the time," he said.
Prior to its adoption as a way for gadgets and computers to communicate, UWB was used as a sensing technology. It is used to spot such things as cracks under the surface of runways or to help firemen detect people through walls.
Rest of the article is here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4171629.stm
Interestingly one of the next-generation technologies, Ultra Wide Band (UWB) is also used for position-sensing and imaging. Some facts about UWB:
UWB makes it possible to stream huge amounts of data through the air over short distances. One of the more likely uses of UWB is to make it possible to send DVD quality video images wirelessly to TV screens or to let people beam music to media players around their home.
Cambridge-based Ubisense has about 40 customers around the world using the short-range radio technology, said David Theriault, standards and regulatory liaison for Ubisense. He said that UWB was driving novel ways to interact with computers. "It's like having a 3D mouse all the time," he said.
Prior to its adoption as a way for gadgets and computers to communicate, UWB was used as a sensing technology. It is used to spot such things as cracks under the surface of runways or to help firemen detect people through walls.
Rest of the article is here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4171629.stm
imastalker co.
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all he said was "wireless everything, including the tv connection".
i dunno what's possible as far as that goes, but i think it's safe to say that the system will have wireless controllers, and wifi support out of the box.
and another thing, if they straight out just don't have any controller ports what so ever on the thing, i think we can expect a design along the lines of the mac mini.
i dunno what's possible as far as that goes, but i think it's safe to say that the system will have wireless controllers, and wifi support out of the box.
and another thing, if they straight out just don't have any controller ports what so ever on the thing, i think we can expect a design along the lines of the mac mini.
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Johnny Nighttrain said:and another thing, if they straight out just don't have any controller ports what so ever on the thing, i think we can expect a design along the lines of the mac mini.
exactly what i was thinking. they could make it very sleek looking.
imastalker co.
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yeah, im totally gonna have to take this dude to a bar next week when i turn 21 and get as much info out of him as possible. hopefully there's a good partying going down though. sources are the best for leaking shit out when they're drunk and having a lot of fun.
If the wireless TV connection is true, then touchscreens on a wireless controller wouldn't be any more complicated. The only hurdle would be cost.
Does anyone have an idea of what a GBA SP with no sound, no cartridge slot, but with a touchscreen and WI-FI (or equivelant) would cost?
Does anyone have an idea of what a GBA SP with no sound, no cartridge slot, but with a touchscreen and WI-FI (or equivelant) would cost?
Why is it that everyone banks on nintendo for having an inkling to innovate? I never hear "oooh! Sony is up to something clever this time!" or "Microsoft has some great things up their sleeves according to my sources", etc. Everyone has been conditioned to think Nintendo is more likely to be off-the wall rather than not (with regards to next-gen machines).
imastalker co.
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i beg to differ.geogaddi said:
i've said anything that i've heard about xenon, and i'd say Sony is definitely going try some new stuff with that integrated eyetoy in the PS3. i guess to answer your question though, is because for the most part, we know what to expect from the PS3 and xenon. same can't be said about the Revolution.
anyways, this wireless video output thing definitely has all kinds of thoughts running around my head. especially since the system will also have PC monitor connectivity out the box. if the gyrations thing goes down, the controller will easily be able to act as a mouse, and because of that, i think there's definitely going to be some kind of "community" application running on that PC monitor. i don't think that Nintendo intends to use it for just VGA. but who knows, that's just a theroy of mine. although im sort of hearing things that lead me to believe that i may be right.
could you take one system and hook it up to multiple tv's with a setup like that, for lan type gaming with only one system?
that would be a cool application
edit// also if this controller rumor was true, one of the controllers could serve as another tv monitor... like one person is using an actual tv, while everyone else is playing looking at their controller monitor... also if it was wireless you couldn't you have more than 4 controllers simultaneously... like a lan party with 15 controllers wirelessly connected to a single revolution using the controllers as monitors?
that would be a cool application
edit// also if this controller rumor was true, one of the controllers could serve as another tv monitor... like one person is using an actual tv, while everyone else is playing looking at their controller monitor... also if it was wireless you couldn't you have more than 4 controllers simultaneously... like a lan party with 15 controllers wirelessly connected to a single revolution using the controllers as monitors?
Johnny Nighttrain said:
I find this whole PC monitor stuff hard to swallow. I know they mentioned it'd have DVI (or VGA?) out, but Nintendo has never been one to introduce dependancies that they can't guarantee to cover themselves (e.g. the presence of a PC monitor). One of the reasons they've been so slow to adopt online is because there's no guarantee of the presence of broadband infrastructure - the availability of PC monitors is no more guaranteed, and perhaps even less so (who has a PC monitor lying around near their videogaming TV, that is always guaranteed to be available for use by a console when needed?)
Maybe you could, but rendering two or more full size screens for each TV would probably be too much for the console to handle. You wouldn't be able to fake by making each player's screen smaller with crappier textures and models like you can with single screen multiplay.Krowley said:
So the whole controller thing is basically built in connectivity (at least the good feature of it, a second screen). Considering how hard N pushed connectivity this gen and how good of a result was possible using it when done right (Four Swords) this isn't something too hard to swallow.
imastalker co.
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they've never been clear about it being DVI or VGA, they just said "PC Monitor Connectivity out of the box"gofreak said:
but you do make a good point. like i said though, just a theroy of mine.
WrathOfOtaibah
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The idea of a completely wireless console is a good idea. Especially for those like me that have a TV, DVD player, PS2 (and soon, GC), and a 6.1 stereo system in the back. With all the wires back there, its a jungle. If there was a way to cut down on the wires, then that would definitely appeal to me.
Well even with wireless video you will still have wires, as you'll need a small receiver box connected to the TV which the console sends the signal to via wifi.
For it to be completely wireless, they'd have to abandon the TV all together (!) The screens in the pads would be your displays.
Now that would be revolutionary. Stupid maybe, but definitely revolutionary
For it to be completely wireless, they'd have to abandon the TV all together (!) The screens in the pads would be your displays.
Now that would be revolutionary. Stupid maybe, but definitely revolutionary
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DHGamer said:Touch screen doesn't necessarily mean a video screen. Intellivision had touch screen controllers with overlays IRC.
thats not really a touch screen. those are buttons with overlays.
soundwave05
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Iwata has already said Revolution will not be a dual screen system.
From N-Sider's Revolution FAQ:
http://www.n-sider.com/articleview.php?articleid=344
Q: Will Revolution feature screens on the console or the controller?
Fact: No. At a June 2004 analyst briefing in Japan, Nintendo president Satoru Iwata said, "We have no intention of making a two screen console akin to the [Nintendo] DS."
My thinking is it'll probably be a motion sensing controller. The controller itself can't be too expensive otherwise buying secondary controllers would cost the consumer way too much, so even logistically I think any kind of high quality LCD incorporated into the controller would have to be a no-no just based on cost practicality.
From N-Sider's Revolution FAQ:
http://www.n-sider.com/articleview.php?articleid=344
Q: Will Revolution feature screens on the console or the controller?
Fact: No. At a June 2004 analyst briefing in Japan, Nintendo president Satoru Iwata said, "We have no intention of making a two screen console akin to the [Nintendo] DS."
My thinking is it'll probably be a motion sensing controller. The controller itself can't be too expensive otherwise buying secondary controllers would cost the consumer way too much, so even logistically I think any kind of high quality LCD incorporated into the controller would have to be a no-no just based on cost practicality.
Late Stage Marxist
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I'm sort of afraid of how much the Rev will deviate from the norm, but if this is in fact the only big difference between the systems, I'm actually quite thrilled. Hope it's not a sham. :\
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trippingmartian said:
Why are you "afraid" of that? Having three systems on the market place that are more or less the same will be boring, besides the GameCube is more or less the PS2/XBox just a "Nintendo-ey" version of those consoles, and you can see how well that's doing.
Nintendo might as well do something different.
If they can make a Donkey Kong game with bongo drums and make that fun ... why not push the boundaries a little?
Back when I tried to piece together all the clues, that was my original guess: That it would connect to the tv wirelessly... and thus allow multiplayer to be played on everyone's television in the house (Personally does nothing for me, I want that internet thing, but I can see it's appeal for the kiddies.) But then I thought about how to connect? RF would suck so much ass I'd ignore the system even if it was the greatest invention since sliced bread. Now if they've come up with a technology to do this with HD quality output, it's definetly interesting.
imastalker co.
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what if the system just sent a wireless signal to whatever is connected to the A/V input or whatever. i know that's pretty much what you're explaining, but im not seeing were the cablees come in.Nash said:
Johnny Nighttrain said:
There's just too many types of connections on televisions, all in different locations, with different spacings between the connections. Some stereo, some mono. It would be a nightmare to make a little widget that plugged straight into any TV to receive the Revolution's signal. And what do you support - composite, svideo, scart, component ... Different widgets for each one?
Also how would you power it? Only scart sockets provide that and they are only popular in Europe. Receiving the next generation of wifi and decoding video/audio would require power, as well as a bit of processing power as well.
Far more practical would be a receiver box that receives the signal wirelessly from the console, and has all the various connections you need for connecting it to your tv/hi-fi equipment. Of course that doesn't the make whole wireless console thing quite as appealing though as you are just moving the wires to a different box.
AndoCalrissian
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Nash said:
In theory, they could release fairly cheap widgets for each video type. After all, don't you have to buy seperate cables these days anyway? If Nintendo packed in Revolution with the basic widget, you could then buy a S-video or whatever widget -- like you buy cables now -- and there you go.
Now, if this concept has a decent range, the beauty of this would be being able to have several TVs in your house all connected at once. The HD TV in the living room has a nice widget connected to it, but the TV in your bedroom or kitchen may not be as nice so it wouldn't need the best widget. Turn the power on whichever widget you wish to play at, and it sends a signal to the system, booting it up. And then, then my friends, put a five or six disc changer in the system, so you can just select a game from a menu and off you go.
I honestly do not think this is what Revolution will be, but it would be rad beyond belief. I just don't know if the technology is here (and affordable) yet. Hopefully your source is right, Johnny.