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[Arzehn]

It would be one thing if the new style were completely replacing the old one, however as it's been said many times already, it is completely optional and you can switch between them freely. No ones work is being censored or replaced, there is nothing wrong with having the new style there as well as the old one.

I guess my problem isn't so much about this game having the option, but rather Experience thinking their audience wants this new style. If the rest of their games had a "classic" style like this one then there wouldn't be much to complain about.

 

[Hubb]

I guess my problem isn't so much about this game having the option, but rather Experience thinking their audience wants this new style. If the rest of their games had a "classic" style like this one then there wouldn't be much to complain about.

Well since the success of Demon Gaze and the postive reception to Ray Giant's art style, why do you think their audience doesn't want this style?

I mean there is nothing to complain about. You are getting more options, not less.

 

[Arzehn]

Well since the success of Demon Gaze and the positive reception to Ray Giant's art style, why do you think their audience doesn't want this style?

I mean there is nothing to complain about. You are getting more options, not less.

The complaint is that they've abandoned the classic style in games after this one because of the success of one game. Was Demon Gaze a success only because of it's moe art or did it come out at the right place at right time, on a new system that had an audience hungry for a RPG? I don't know, but maybe we'll find out with the sequel.

 

[Hubb]

The complaint is that they've abandoned the classic style in games after this one because of the success of one game. Was Demon Gaze a success only because of it's moe art or did it come out at the right place at right time, on a new system that had an audience hungry for a RPG? I don't know, but maybe we'll find out with the sequel.

All you have to do is look at the games Experience Inc has developed to see what style they prefer to use. SoSC did terrible sales wise compared to their other games, so I'm guessing they thought they needed something.

Again, I don't understand why you are complaining. They haven't abandoned anything, they added a style. As soon as they create a sequel without the original style then you have your complaint.

 

[YianGaruga]

I don't get it, doesn't the developer look at their work and realize it's so much worse with the new style? Looking at those screens side-by-side I don't know why anyone would use the new animu style given the choice.

These posts man

They'll never end will they

 

[E_Darkness]

Fuck this got delayed.

I was going to get it because it was out just after my birthday but now it's releasing next to Dark Souls 3. All the Vita games I want are coming out at bad times for me. I guess I really don't love my Vita

 

[CrovaxPSO]

The complaint is that they've abandoned the classic style in games after this one because of the success of one game. Was Demon Gaze a success only because of it's moe art or did it come out at the right place at right time, on a new system that had an audience hungry for a RPG? I don't know, but maybe we'll find out with the sequel.

How has the original art style been abandoned? It's the one that's been featured in nearly all of the promotional material. And what do you mean, games after this one? This is their newest IP before Ray Gigant, which has a different style from their other games as well.

 

[lazyproblems]

All you have to do is look at the games Experience Inc has developed to see what style they prefer to use. SoSC did terrible sales wise compared to their other games, so I'm guessing they thought they needed something.

I thought that the vita version of SoSC did better than both Babel and Ray Gigant? At least it did in first week sales.

 

[Arzehn]

How has the original art style been abandoned? It's the one that's been featured in nearly all of the promotional material. And what do you mean, games after this one? This is their newest IP before Ray Gigant, which has a different style from their other games as well.

I mean I guess if we're seeing New Tokyo Legacy as part of the Gen Xth ip.

Well, let's see what artwork they go with for Students of the Round 2 and if we'll have the choice there.

 

[cj_iwakura]

I don't get it, doesn't the developer look at their work and realize it's so much worse with the new style? Looking at those screens side-by-side I don't know why anyone would use the new animu style given the choice.

I'm wondering the same thing, but I'm sure some poor soul out there will enjoy the new style. They used to do fine on 'serious' art styles(see Gen Xth), but Demon Gaze brought them that big money, so now they have a hard time settling for less, I suppose.

 

[Pellegri Testament]

I'm wondering the same thing, but I'm sure some poor soul out there will enjoy the new style. They used to do fine on 'serious' art styles(see Gen Xth), but Demon Gaze brought them that big money, so now they have a hard time settling for less, I suppose.

Ya man, because they totally took out the more serious artstyle and are forcing this new one on people, right? Also not sure why potentially making more money off something is a bad thing (or even increasing the buyer potential), when nothing is being taken out or made into dlc that they're trying to sell you.

 

[Shizuka]

I'm wondering the same thing, but I'm sure some poor soul out there will enjoy the new style. They used to do fine on 'serious' art styles(see Gen Xth), but Demon Gaze brought them that big money, so now they have a hard time settling for less, I suppose.

But Demon Gaze looks pretty compared to animu SoSC.

 

[SatelliteOfLove]

Still hungerin' for more dungeon crawlin'.

You don't sate this with more, you just feed it.

Ya man, because they totally took out the more serious artstyle and are forcing this new one on people, right? Also not sure why potentially making more money off something is a bad thing (or even increasing the buyer potential), when nothing is being taken out or made into dlc that they're trying to sell you.

Can we PLEASE not have this become one of THOSE debates? Yes?

 

[Pellegri Testament]

Can we PLEASE not have this become one of THOSE debates? Yes?

It wouldn't turn in to one if people would read any amount of discussion or news regarding the title, something that said poster doesn't do very often regarding certain titles. Saying "used to do fine on serious art" seems to imply that he didn't actually read anything that's been said and seems to think it was removed (or just not there to begin with, may not have even looked at the game before now), even when it's been mentioned every page that we are getting both styles in the game.

 

[Absol]

well lol

I preordered this game and Nights of Azure in the same order since they were releasing only a week apart and I did not want to pay shipping for this game. Seems like I'll be waiting even longer to get Nights of Azure then

 

[LiveFromKyoto]

I don't get it, doesn't the developer look at their work and realize it's so much worse with the new style? Looking at those screens side-by-side I don't know why anyone would use the new animu style given the choice.

I think it's pretty telling that, after the initial reaction, the trailer didn't show the other art style or even mention it.

 

[Crash Station]

Courtesy of Gematsu, here are a few more art comparisons:

I actually like the anime style better in the last 2 shots.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

Ya man, because they totally took out the more serious artstyle and are forcing this new one on people, right? Also not sure why potentially making more money off something is a bad thing (or even increasing the buyer potential), when nothing is being taken out or made into dlc that they're trying to sell you.

I don't think anyone misunderstands the art situation here or how the options works. The only thing being said at this point is that it's a shame that the game isn't being allowed to stand on its own artistic merits and that shitty, oiled-up anime boobs is what is seen as necessary to sell a game.

In fact, CJ already said that:

The new art style is the worst idea ever, and it saddens me they think it's necessary to sell the game. They went from Tale of the Forsaken Land to Dungeon Travelers 2.

 

[cj_iwakura]

Ya man, because they totally took out the more serious artstyle and are forcing this new one on people, right? Also not sure why potentially making more money off something is a bad thing (or even increasing the buyer potential), when nothing is being taken out or made into dlc that they're trying to sell you.

Because it's ruining the original vision of the game. If they did this to something like Xenoblade or The Last Story, people would be out for blood. But somehow it's 'okay' because the original art is still there even though it's been put on the backburner in all the newer marketing.

 

[AniHawk]

well lol

I preordered this game and Nights of Azure in the same order since they were releasing only a week apart and I did not want to pay shipping for this game. Seems like I'll be waiting even longer to get Nights of Azure then

well the stranger limited edition is on gamestop.com (i don't think it's in-store since disgaea 5 limited edition wasn't). i don't know if you can do in-store pickup, but that would be effectively free shipping if it's possible.

 

[Hubb]

Because it's ruining the original vision of the game. If they did this to something like Xenoblade or The Last Story, people would be out for blood. But somehow it's 'okay' because the original art is still there even though it's been put on the backburner in all the newer marketing.

What new marketing that only focuses on the new art? I get it the old art style is better, but don't you understand how obnoxious you sound?

Here is the official character trailer that has no new style in it. This was posted hours ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mna7ezUJdxE&feature=youtu.be

I don't think anyone misunderstands the art situation here or how the options works. The only thing being said at this point is that it's a shame that the game isn't being allowed to stand on its own artistic merits and that shitty, oiled-up anime boobs is what is seen as necessary to sell a game.

In fact, CJ already said that:

Old style has plenty of anime boob in it. Just have to look at the other characters in the game.

 

[cj_iwakura]

What new marketing that only focuses on the new art? I get it the old art style is better, but don't you understand how obnoxious you sound?

Here is the official character trailer that has no new style in it. This was posted hours ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mna7ezUJdxE&feature=youtu.be

The Xbox 1 cover for starters.

Old style has plenty of anime boob in it. Just have to look at the other characters in the game.

What need was there to completely redesign a character's outfit for maximum cleavage output?

It's tacky at best.

 

[Pellegri Testament]

The Xbox 1 cover for starters.

Which it's strange to complain about that as a problem for Western marketing considering we're not even getting a physical version of the game on Xbox One, that cover will be used for nothing more than the Japanese version. They're not even trying to sell the game off as that here in the West. Want to blame anyway for why the artstyle was likely added? Blame Japan for not buying it on Vita and them thinking of a way to make another version sell there (which in turn meant that said artstyle was added for the West as well).

 

[CrovaxPSO]

The Xbox 1 cover for starters.



What need was there to completely redesign a character's outfit for maximum cleavage output?



It's tacky at best.

The cover with the new art is for the Japanese release of the Xbox One version as far as I know. If you look here the "box art" for the NA download version is the original art, regardless of which style you choose on the website. Nothing unexpected about this because Japan has already seen all the marketing with the original art. The original art style is far and away the focus of the marketing for the localized releases.

As for the "need" for the redesigns, I'm not defending them, but if they felt that a new, optional art style would benefit sales of the game, I just don't see the harm in it. If the issue people have with it is really that it's offensive to the original artist or something, then, well, I don't really know what to say.

 

[cj_iwakura]

Which it'ss strange to complain about that considering we're not even getting a physical version of the game on Xbox One, that cover will be used for nothing more than the Japanese version. They're not even trying to sell the game off as that here in the West. Want to blame anyway for why the artstyle was likely added? Blame Japan for not buying it on Vita and them thinking of a way to make another version sell there.

I'm not putting the blame on the west, aside from being sad that they think that's going to help them match Demon Gaze's success.

 

[Zolo]

I don't see anything wrong with it. It's just localization.

Spoiler

I don't like the new art and vastly prefer the original, so I'll use that if I buy this.

 

[MrDoctor]

Because it's ruining the original vision of the game. If they did this to something like Xenoblade or The Last Story, people would be out for blood. But somehow it's 'okay' because the original art is still there even though it's been put on the backburner in all the newer marketing.

the original artist actually worked on xenoblade x too haha

 

[CrovaxPSO]

I'm not putting the blame on the west, aside from being sad that they think that's going to help them match Demon Gaze's success.

I think a company as small as Experience, that's been around as long as they have, have pretty good expectations for their releases. Demon Gaze had more going for it than the art style, and it'd be silly to think they don't realize that.

 

[dallow_bg]

well the stranger limited edition is on gamestop.com (i don't think it's in-store since disgaea 5 limited edition wasn't). i don't know if you can do in-store pickup, but that would be effectively free shipping if it's possible.

Oh wow, Gamestop does have it.
Is this a new thing with NISA LEs?

Saves me shipping.

 

[AyanFaust]

?? it's a first person dungeon crawler. Born on the PC.

well its jRPG dungeon crawles :-D
and Dungeon Crawlers has long history on PC

Why is that? Whats the difference of playing lets say Tales of on PS4 or PC besides one offers better graphics?

Personally, I prefer playing jrpgs in a handheld. It's just much more comfortable grinding and playing in positions that only a handheld can do. Nothing wrong with pc, but jrpgs especially always feel better on a handheld imo.

 

[Pellegri Testament]

I'm not putting the blame on the west, aside from being sad that they think that's going to help them match Demon Gaze's success.

Who the fuck is saying that's what they're wanting here with it? We only got the damn artstyle because the game originally bombed in Japan and they didn't want it to bomb again (even though it most likely will since it's on Xbox). The artstyle is nothing more than an addon that we're getting because they created it for the Japanese market and didn't want it to go to waste by only giving it to them.

The opinion that the new artstyle is bad isn't something that appears to be from a minority, considering most big Western discussion forums view it the same way, worse than the original. If they only added it for the West because of Demon Gaze's success then they clealry didn't read the market correctly. I'm also sorry that you seem to think the animu character art was the main selling point for Demon Gaze.

 

[cj_iwakura]

I'm also sorry that you seem to think the animu character art was the main selling point for Demon Gaze.

Well, what do you think it was? Operation Abyss being more low-key didn't seem to do it any financial favors.

I had fun with Demon Gaze, but I sold it the moment I completed it. There's stuff in that game I'd never want to experience again.

 

[CrovaxPSO]

Well, what do you think it was? Operation Abyss being more low-key didn't seem to do it any financial favors.

I had fun with Demon Gaze, but I sold it the moment I completed it. There's stuff in that game I'd never want to experience again.

Published by one of the biggest publishers in Japan, released at a time when there really wasn't much coming out for the Vita, a relatively easy entry point into the genre.

 

[cj_iwakura]

Published by one of the biggest publishers in Japan, released at a time when there really wasn't much coming out for the Vita, a relatively easy entry point into the genre.

If anything, SoSC's reported difficulty might have been what scared off the JP fans then.

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

I like how it's generally considered that the original artist's vision is sacred and willingly making adjustments internally for financial reasons is censorship

until it turns out the updated version is the more animu pandering one

 

[Basileus777]

I like how it's generally considered that the original artist's vision is sacred and willingly making adjustments internally for financial reasons is censorship

until it turns out the updated version is the more animu pandering one

Or until it's an optional change you can completely ignore. But don't let the facts get in the way of your dumb generalization.

 

[Zolo]

I like how it's generally considered that the original artist's vision is sacred and willingly making adjustments internally for financial reasons is censorship

until it turns out the updated version is the more animu pandering one

Has the artist's original vision been removed?

Personally, I've been okay with most of the changes in localization, but I can assure you that a lot of changes in games recently wouldn't be met with the criticism/backlash they have if there was an option to change between the original and localized version.

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

Or until it's an optional change you can completely ignore. But don't let the facts get in the way of your dumb generalization.

I'm well aware, thanks.

The new art doesn't offend me, I like pandering shit. It just looks like a million other things, and the original looks just as nice but much more unique but was clearly perceived as not appealing enough. It's just a shame is all.

Sorry if I offended you for some bizarre reason, but the discussion has skewed directly into reasons why the updated art exists, and it's interesting to see certain points which get brought up in dozens of threads get used as a counterpoint in favor of justifying more pandering designs instead of against. I'll make it a point not to bother discussing the art in the OT.

 

[lazyproblems]

well the stranger limited edition is on gamestop.com (i don't think it's in-store since disgaea 5 limited edition wasn't). i don't know if you can do in-store pickup, but that would be effectively free shipping if it's possible.

Huh, I actually have a gamestop giftcard, so I might switch my LE pre-order over to Gamestop.

Does anyone know if Gamestop has good packaging with these types of LEs? Do they do release date shipping like NISA?

Oh wow, Gamestop does have it.
Is this a new thing with NISA LEs?

Saves me shipping.

They don't have the Witch and the Hundred Knight Revival LE, but SoSC is their most recent LE. I'll be curious to see if their next game will have an LE at Gamestop.

 

[Zolo]

It just looks like a million other things, and the original looks just as nice but much more unique but was clearly perceived as not appealing enough. It's just a shame is all.

Yeah. I definitely agree with this.

 

[Basileus777]

I'm well aware, thanks.

The new art doesn't offend me, I like pandering shit. It just looks like a million other things, and the original looks just as nice but much more unique but was clearly perceived as not appealing enough. It's just a shame is all.

Sorry if I offended you for some bizarre reason, but the discussion has skewed directly into reasons why the updated art exists, and it's interesting to see certain points which get brought up in dozens of threads get used as a counterpoint in favor of justifying more pandering designs instead of against. I'll make it a point not to bother discussing the art in the OT.

I probably misread your tone/implication. I thought you were trying to lump people in this thread with some of the overreactions to censorship in other threads. Besides the difference when it's optional, it's not necessarily the same posters making those points.

 

[AniHawk]

Huh, I actually have a gamestop giftcard, so I might switch my LE pre-order over to Gamestop.

Does anyone know if Gamestop has good packaging with these types of LEs? Do they do release date shipping like NISA?

my only gamestop.com order was a xenoblade chronicles x limited edition in a cardboard box without any packaging except for a square of bubble wrap. it was kind of shocking.

if i were to ever do that again, i would try and opt for in-store pickup if possible.

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

I probably misread your tone/implication. I thought you were trying to lump people in this thread with some of the overreactions to censorship in other threads. Besides the difference when it's optional, it's not necessarily the same posters making those points.

Rereading my post, there's not a lot of other ways to interpret it, so don't mind me, I'm used to coming across as an asshole. Sorry for poor phrasing.

Much as I'd love to have more to play on my XB1, Gamefly has the physical Vita version, so I'm gonna give the handcramp version a whirl first.

 

[Raggie]

What is with Japanese Wizardry clones becoming so heavy with fanservice? You don't see the standard JRPGs cossing the limit of bad taste as often.

 

[lazyproblems]

my only gamestop.com order was a xenoblade chronicles x limited edition in a cardboard box without any packaging except for a square of bubble wrap. it was kind of shocking.

if i were to ever do that again, i would try and opt for in-store pickup if possible.

Yikes, thanks for the heads up. I'll have to go to gamestop and see if they'll do that. Otherwise it might just be better to stick with NISA.

 

[cj_iwakura]

What is with Japanese Wizardry clones becoming so heavy with fanservice? You don't see the standard JRPGs cossing the limit of bad taste as often.

It's a niche genre, so they need to go the extra mile(so to speak) to bring in fans, I guess.

 

[Hubb]

The Xbox 1 cover for starters.



What need was there to completely redesign a character's outfit for maximum cleavage output?

Nope, they had that covered in other characters already.

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I'm still waiting for more push of the animu style over the original. I can't even find more characters to compare to the old style.

"But somehow it's 'okay' because the original art is still there even though it's been put on the backburner in all the newer marketing."

Sure whatever you say. I have no idea how it is being marketed in Japan, I can only speak for NA/EU and your statement is factually wrong.

 

[Tizoc]

Nope, they had that covered in other characters already.

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I'm still waiting for more push of the animu style over the original. I can't even find more characters to compare to the old style.

"But somehow it's 'okay' because the original art is still there even though it's been put on the backburner in all the newer marketing."

Sure whatever you say. I have no idea how it is being marketed in Japan, I can only speak for NA/EU and your statement is factually wrong.

Oi rehost on Imgur or something please. some of your images don't work becasue their source prevents hotlinking :V

 

[Hubb]

Oi rehost on Imgur or something please. some of your images don't work becasue their source prevents hotlinking :V

Fixed. There are plenty of others to choose from.

 

[Teknoman]

The original art style is still pretty japanese, just serious. Think old Falcom game box art. Looks pretty amazing, especially the even scenes. The revamped art style really does look pretty generic when compared to other anime art styles of today.