I interpreted her as both, a lot of that area is northern africa
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I interpreted her as both, a lot of that area is northern africa
She certainly walks like an Egyptian.
Arab and African aren't a one or the other thing, though I haven't seen any Egyptian identify as black, the "African" is more of a geographical term there and even olive/white skinned people from north africa still use it!
lucebuce12
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Video games need more Egyptian females.
It makes sense with the disco ball she uses.
Not everything is racist man. That's actually a really great mod.
TheSpoiler
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They didn't even change it to a disco ball?
smh
smh
direct_quote
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I would take impressions with a grain of salt, but maybe they improved the netcode?
If it wasn't obvious earlier
I was making a funny
So she's african, and maybe black.
lucebuce12
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It rarely is.
lucebuce12
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A bit late, ain't ya Goro? This was reported here a few pages back.
Yeah, Africa is just a continent. Egypt is an Arabic nation that's considered a part of the Middle East, and its population is predominantly ethnically Egyptian. There's no reason for me to think that Menat is black.
If it's gonna have to be a color, Arab/North Africans/Egyptians are more racially profiled as "brown" than black by the west.
Interesting
I guess I thought black because a lot of her costumes seem to be Ancient egypt , and at that time They are more black than they are now. Like I interpreted her entire design as capcom just not even understanding what egypt is. So that's why
I'm of Eritrean descent (Eritrea is over in East Africa) & I'm still considered to be black by most people.
lucebuce12
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Hot.
That's actually just a misconception.
Modern Egyptians are actually more black than ancient Egyptians.
I thought she uh... young.
Huh, thank you for the information.
So... She's black then ? Is it the strait hair?, Elena also has strait hair. Capcom doesn't wanna give black girls in SF curly hair... for whatever reason. Well besides that one doll.
Ibuki's swimsuit is so good tbh.I think there is a Swimsuit Costume Pack now
lucebuce12
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wtf
Someone said she was 14 in threads prior, I thought she was 14 and it was weird japan shit
No, probably not. Egyptians are their own (non-black) ethnic group, and 91% of the Egyptian population is ethnically Egyptian. Modern Egyptians share only 8% of their genome with central Africans, and ancient Egyptians shared even less.
Eritrea isn't really north africa though, someone from Sudan or Somalia for example would certainly be considered black regardless if they speak arabic or not, but a north african arab(mediterranean sea african countries) would most certainly be brown.
There are always exceptions with brown skin though, as it can get white enough to pass as white and dark enough to pass as black too, even within the same family it can vary greatly! That might be why we look at religions, sekts, class and tribes for things to divide and fight over and not skin color. ¯\_(ツ
_/¯lucebuce12
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Worst part is when you're born with a fairer skin colour than most but the fucking sun gives you a damn near permanent tan. I pull up the sleeves on my shirt and I'm straight up white-ish. But my face and arms and legs are brown AF.
Stupid Sun.
Stupid Sun.
Lmao, my uncle and my father looks almost exactly the same, except that my uncle's skin is twice as dark because he worked as a field engineer. It's especially funny when you look at their childhood pictures when they had the same skin tone!
Well Arab is not a race or ethnicity, it's a language and culture. Most modern Egyptians are a mix of Turks (remains of Othman empire) Africans and Mediterraneans.
IIRC I remember somewhere seeing that Laura was their "idealized version of a Brazilian woman" . If that's how they went about designing elena, then yeah that speaks poorly of her entire design.
But Yes I very much agree that there needs to be a different female african, or just black, Representative. From somewhere, well I laura counts, afro-Brazilian her and sean. But I hate laura as a character, so give me another one.
Sounds like me and my brother. When we younger we were both very light skinned. I got a bit more brown, no field work though. I just... got brown. And my brother is still light. Its weird.
I think there is a Swimsuit Costume Pack now
They already got my money for these. 😑
Still waiting for that 2017 Character Pass sale in December tho.
Etrian Oddity
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As a man whose personal kryptonite is dark-skinned girls with curly hair, I agree with you 100%.
Santamu, plz
::edit:: Goichi. Stop it, he's already dead! @ 2:30
SolarPowered
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To be fair Elena could be representative of one of many diverse groups in Africa (fictional or otherwise). Capcom could really stand to add a couple more characters that buck the traditional mold they've set for themselves, though. There is a lot that could be done costume-wise and in terms of hair/body type (A pygmy fighter could be cool), but I fear Capcom isn't going to make any real efforts unless there is some financial incentive. Rashid, Laura, Juri and even Necalli make sense in that regard. They're built to appeal to regions that Capcom hasn't traditionally appealed to and are of financial interest. Brazil, SA, Latin America and South Korea are all worth investing in monetarily speaking and Capcom has even run tournaments in those places. Don't think I've ever heard of Capcom doing that in any African countries yet.
The world will sure become more interesting when the African continent becomes a larger player on the world stage.
Sakura is gonna be 80 and wearing that fuku till she's a skeleton.
The Mango Sentinel
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I liked seeing him do a wakeup super when he was stuck in the corner. I swear that's the only choice she has sometimes.
Trickster
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Wakeup super is pretty much how I have to win half my games with her. After they get in once they aint leaving
The Lone Dragon
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I love how people whip out numbers, figures, and diagrams when trying to prove that a character is not black. It's like you need 10 forms of ID, a DNA test, and 400 years of ancestral tracking to prove that a video game character is black.
But, white characters? "Eh...Guile has light skin and blonde hair (in a game where characters have been known to dye their hair). That's good enough for me! He's white." The bar is very low. Why is that?
For years people argued tooth and nail that Dudley wasn't black. "No, he's of Indian descent! There's a large population of people with Indian heritage living in England! Scientifically, it's much more probable that he's Indian."
(Dude's black: https://imgur.com/a/bveiY Referred to explicitly in an old All About Capcom book as a "British black gentleman boxer".)
I've even see people try to claim that ELENA isn't black.
Like, the only time people will readily believe a character is black is when they look like fricking Balrog, Dee Jay, or Birdie...stereotypes.
Menat has just as much right to be "black" as Guile has a right to be "white".
Girl looks like Janelle Monae, and black Egyptians exist. That's "good enough for me."
But, white characters? "Eh...Guile has light skin and blonde hair (in a game where characters have been known to dye their hair). That's good enough for me! He's white." The bar is very low. Why is that?
For years people argued tooth and nail that Dudley wasn't black. "No, he's of Indian descent! There's a large population of people with Indian heritage living in England! Scientifically, it's much more probable that he's Indian."
(Dude's black: https://imgur.com/a/bveiY Referred to explicitly in an old All About Capcom book as a "British black gentleman boxer".)
I've even see people try to claim that ELENA isn't black.
Like, the only time people will readily believe a character is black is when they look like fricking Balrog, Dee Jay, or Birdie...stereotypes.
Menat has just as much right to be "black" as Guile has a right to be "white".
Girl looks like Janelle Monae, and black Egyptians exist. That's "good enough for me."
The Mango Sentinel
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Please don't. Lol
Not gonna lie though...it will probably make for a hilarious thread.
Yeah I never really saw Menat as black tbh. It's like saying all Near East and Middle East girls are black just because a lot of them have a dark skin tone.
How do you guys feel about Urien being called black just because his skin is bronze colored?
I actually want a Jamaican girl in SF, and a Latino guy that isn't a dumbass luchador like El Fuerte. And keep Deejay out of SFV, he is not the black guy we need. Reboot King Cobra. I'll even take Byron at this point for the mustache alone. Just please no cargo shorts, plz.
How do you guys feel about Urien being called black just because his skin is bronze colored?
I actually want a Jamaican girl in SF, and a Latino guy that isn't a dumbass luchador like El Fuerte. And keep Deejay out of SFV, he is not the black guy we need. Reboot King Cobra. I'll even take Byron at this point for the mustache alone. Just please no cargo shorts, plz.
The Mango Sentinel
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Urien has a different skin color when he's in his suit in SF3
But urien wasn't from africa, and then in his original appearance he seems to be much lighter and then turns into what is now his normal color And even now, he just seem's like a dark dude from greece, or turkish. And I don't think anyone is saying that women with dark skin is black, but this girl with dark skin from africa might be be black and that's why the discussion is being had I guess. Black Egyptians do in fact exist, so she might be black.
As for a jamacan person it would be interesting. That isn't Dee Jay.
Do we have anyone in SF from the Philippines? I feel like that's kind of an ommision
lucebuce12
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I don't think so. Only Filipino character that comes to mind is Josie Rizal from Tekken.
Yeah , I feel like they should get more representation in fighting games. Also Australians in general