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[Drinky Crow]

fart, in a strip club, women are ultimately forced to abide by management's rules. The don't have any real control over their expression.

My remark was anything but "je ne sais quoi". I was actually thinking about a particular instance of an argument I had with my wife about a year and a half ago, when we were at the Lynnwood mall. There was this gal -- moderately attractive only by GAF's ludicrously disingenuous standards -- who was dressed to the nines in full hoochie regalia. Naturally, being of the boneresque persuasion, I gave her a nice, appreciative lookdown.

My wife saw me do it, sadly, and she said as expected: "nice to see that strippers can get out of the office sometimes, too."

I said "she ain't a stripper; she ain't stripping."

To an irked wife, that gets you exiled to the couch for the evening. Fair enough -- I was really in poor form especially given how highly I think of my wife -- but my point stands: the gal was in complete control of her surroundings. She dressed and acted as she did where she did of her own volition and without the implicit coercion of money. She knew she could look really hot and the effect that it would have when coupled with her attitude and confidence, and she pulled it off. -- dude's were admiring her and chicks where glaring at her. She made a public sexual assertion and got the kudos, and she was in complete control.

I'm not trying to argue for the media's largely misogynistic standards for female sexuality, and how quickly women, in their desire to compete, buy into it. That's another argument entirely, and one I'm actually pretty sympathetic to.

I won't get into the "good vs. bad" argument at hand. I'll just say that, even though I have only been to a strip club twice, there are far worse ways to spend an evening than to have some titties rubbed in your face.

Ain't denyin' that, either. In fact, it pretty much proves exactly *whay* strippers exist -- too appreciate female erogenous zones regardless of the human being they're attached to. It might be titty empowerment, but it ain't female empowerment by any stretch.

 

[tmdorsey]

In the end, it's really about you being proud of your physical attractiveness, and your desire to derive as much personal power and validation as you can from it. I'm cool with that -- as should be any red-blooded, responsible male. But stripping isn't about you. It's there because many men don't WANT to go through the effort of knowing you; they just want your goods as anonymously and conveniently as possible without breaking any laws. A stripper is a convenience, like fast food.

Me and my friends frequent the clubs and I have to say this is exactly true.

 

[Tommie Hu$tle]

She dressed and acted as she did where she did of her own volition and without the implicit coercion of money. She knew she could look really hot and the effect that it would have when coupled with her attitude and confidence, and she pulled it off. -- dude's were admiring her and chicks where glaring at her. She made a public sexual assertion and got the kudos, and she was in complete control.

I'm not sure how this differs from the strip club by your wife's assertion she is still playing up to the male fantasy. By your assertion the fact that she does it of her own free will in a public place makes the same reality wholly different. I'd submit that the same people that saw her in the mall looked at her as big tits 227 what is different from this woman than the stripper besides location?

I look at stripping for what it is. It's a business, it's a scam, and it's a hustle that's what it is. It's people buying and selling a fantasy.

That's not to say I don't comprehend the larger issue that you are talking about.

 

[Escape Goat]

I dont like going to strippers but if thats how they want to pay the bills then more power to them. Don't like it? Don' go to them. Simple.

 

[fart]

To an irked wife, that gets you exiled to the couch for the evening. Fair enough -- I was really in poor form especially given how highly I think of my wife -- but my point stands: the gal was in complete control of her surroundings. She dressed and acted as she did where she did of her own volition and without the implicit coercion of money. She knew she could look really hot and the effect that it would have when coupled with her attitude and confidence, and she pulled it off. -- dude's were admiring her and chicks where glaring at her. She made a public sexual assertion and got the kudos, and she was in complete control.

I'm not trying to argue for the media's largely misogynistic standards for female sexuality, and how quickly women, in their desire to compete, buy into it. That's another argument entirely, and one I'm actually pretty sympathetic to.

well, on one level i think that woman did buy into it, and everyone who stared at her or envied her also did, so it's the same argument, and that bugs me. BUT, i realize that the local effect was empowerment in some sense, and it's hard to argue against self-confidence.

it's definitely a very complex issue... one of the major reasons why i really don't like this corporate post-feminism isn't necessarily because it's so clearly a sham (although it is, almost worse than gangster lyfe as the revival of ethnicity and civil rights) but because it's so blankly reductive.

I look at stripping for what it is. It's a business, it's a scam, and it's a hustle that's what it is. It's people buying and selling a fantasy.

this is utilitarian, but i think it's accurate. i don't think it begins to describe the societal or humanistic impact of the institution though, and that's really the crux of the matter.

 

[Drinky Crow]

Tommie, what's different? She controls everything. Her presence there isn't at the whims of her management; how she dresses and acts isn't decided by the strip club owner/manager; her employment isn't directed by the needs of her boss and her customers.

Plus chicks like that dress to make other women envious. That what the wannabe stripper set WANTS; male lust and female envy. They just don't seem to get that while a real stripper undoubtedly gets that, it comes at a pretty big price to their freedom, their identity, and the dignity of their gender. My example is simply to prove if that you want the perceived benefits of being a stripper, you can totally go hoochie without endorsing the actual REALITY of stripping and still keep in control -- but that takes a certain level of ACTUAL confidence.

That said, I don't have a problem with strippers themselves if they're willing to accept the consequences. I think stripping is an exploitative racket that even in the best cases tends towards the reductivism fart describes, and wouldn't exist in an ideal world, but all I can muster for the issue is a prudish frown. Plus I like boobies and butts. A LOT.

 

[Tommie Hu$tle]

Tommie, what's different? She controls everything. Her presence there isn't at the whims of her management; how she dresses and acts isn't decided by the strip club owner/manager; her employment isn't directed by the needs of her boss and her customers.

Plus chicks like that dress to make other women envious. That what the wannabe stripper set WANTS; male lust and female envy. They just don't seem to get that while a real stripper undoubtedly gets that, it comes at a pretty big price to their freedom, their identity, and the dignity of their gender. My example is simply to prove if that you want the perceived benefits of being a stripper, you can totally go hoochie without endorsing the actual REALITY of stripping and still keep in control -- but that takes a certain level of ACTUAL confidence.

Does she? Really? I will just quote fart because he has expressed what I was getting at.

well, on one level i think that woman did buy into it, and everyone who stared at her or envied her also did, so it's the same argument, and that bugs me. BUT, i realize that the local effect was empowerment in some sense, and it's hard to argue against self-confidence.

it's definitely a very complex issue... one of the major reasons why i really don't like this corporate post-feminism isn't necessarily because it's so clearly a sham (although it is, almost worse than gangster lyfe as the revival of ethnicity and civil rights) but because it's so blankly reductive.

Let's not confuse empowerment with advantage. Dressing provatively in a mall is not empowerment. I would say that she is using the system to create an advantage. People were so busy focusing on her physical attributes that she could make situations more advantageous for herself but, the same explotation you find in strip clubs is going on in that mall. It just doesn't have the yolk and whip of the horrible managment monster.

That said, I don't have a problem with strippers themselves if they're willing to accept the consequences. I think stripping is an exploitative racket that even in the best cases tends towards the reductivism fart describes, and wouldn't exist in an ideal world, but all I can muster for the issue is a prudish frown. Plus I like boobies and butts. A LOT.

We are in agreement here.

 

[Alyssa Hu$tle]

it is definitely a 'lower' form of entertainment. If they truly liked dancing and eroticism, they should try for something 'classier'.

Classier doesn’t pay $1000 per night.

Wow. This post is great, and exactly what I think of Alyssa. She's like the missing Spice Girl or something. She's just excited about any opportunity to express her 'free' thinking and girl power stuff. And she's not hot enough to be a stripper.

No actually, I’m excited about the opportunity to look at all the naked chicks.

Why are you focusing on stripping as an expression of female sexuality? Christ, if you really ARE hot, just wear some stylish, revealing clothes and head down to the mall -- you'll get all the validation you need in the eyes of men -and- the women you're eager to compete with. You have that freedom and the ability, and there's no-one exploiting you.

Again, that ain’t going to earn you $1000 per night.

Stripping isn't about freedom.

No, You are right, it’s not. It’s about money.

It's an industry created by men for men about specifically male needs. There isn't a guy in a strip club that respects you and views you as a vision of empowerment, no matter how theoretically "high class" you may feel the place is.

Do you think the chick pulling $1000 per night gives a shit what you may think? Honey, if she did she wouldn’t be there.

The women who identify with strippers see them as women supposedly adored by men, and they hope that by association, they too will have obtained a sort of undeniable reputation as extremely appealing to men.

Ahhh, no, actually I see them as making lots of money off a bunch of foolish men.

I never said a woman has to be a stripper to express her sexuality, or sexual freedom. I just don’t look down on the women who do it.

What I was saying was simply that I don’t have a problem with the women, or the establishments. If I can re-cap, I like going to this one perticular establishment Bar 20 because:

1) The drinks are reasonably priced
2) The music rocks (a big mix, with lots of R&B in there)
3) I like the set up... they have ambient lighting that isn't too dark as it can be in some of these places, and you have a choice of couches or booths and it's cool to sit and chat with people.
4) Because all the guys are getting constantly hustled by all the strippers, they leave you the hell alone.
5) It is so fun to crowd watch… to see the types of guys in there and how they interact with the girls and with each other… it is a fascinating place to study people.
6) And last but not least, the women. Ah, the women! Not only are they great to look at, some of the tricks they can do on those poles are pretty damn spectacular… they rank right up there for entertainment value.

I am not saying you need to be a stripper to be beautiful or to demonstrate your sexuality, I just don't look down on them. Sorry this offends you so.

But at the end of the day, they make a lot of cash. A LOT. It's about the money, not about girl power.

I think all you bitches are jealous because women can make obscene amounts of money from idiot guys who are paying for chicks to dick tease them, and you can’t pull the same scam on us ;p

 

[Drinky Crow]

It just doesn't have the yolk and whip of the horrible managment monster.

And that's the difference between conformity and exploitation.

 

[Tommie Hu$tle]

And that's the difference between conformity and exploitation.

I suspect this is where we differ I see the mentality as the same.

 

[Drinky Crow]

Alyssa, if a woman wants to strip and has no problem with the arrangement, it ain't my business to tell her otherwise. I have absolutely NOTHING against hot chicks making money off horny dudes in THEORY so long as they aren't getting abused or duped.

Just don't fool yourself into thinking that advocating stripping makes you clever or classy. You get your money simply because you're THERE and you're reasonably easy on the eyes. Other than that, you could be a Gahiggidy-esque hologram for all we fuckin' care. Your sassiest denials ain't gonna change reality in the slightest.

 

[Alyssa Hu$tle]

Just don't fool yourself into thinking that advocating stripping makes you clever or classy. You get your money simply because you're THERE and you're reasonably easy on the eyes. Other than that, you could be a Gahiggidy-esque hologram for all we fuckin' care. Your sassiest denials ain't gonna change reality in the slightest.

Exactly, the girl could be a Gahiggidy-esque hologram for all you fuckin' care and you morons would still fork out your cash.

 

[Loki]

:lol

I don't know why, but "sassiest denials" made me laugh. Also, I must say that it's rather unfortunate that you can only get Doug to post at length when the topic centers around either strippers or the Nintendo DS. Very sad.


You know, Drinky, if we combine all of your posts herein, we'll have roughly the same amount of text as one (or even two!) of my typical posts. You're approaching dangerous territory! Time to don your "master of witty yet concise replies" mask once more before people take offense. You don't want to get a rep, now.

 

[Teknopathetic]

I don't like this new 2 paragraph Loki.

And there's a decent sized line between confidence and pride in your gender and loud, stupid obnoxiousness. Try not to blur it, Alyssa.

 

[fart]

i think conformity is often used as an exploitative mechanism for nefarious nintendo-esque schemes, so it always sets off a few alarms, personally. in this case i think the detriment of embracing cosmetic conformity is humanistic devaluation. i don't think it's as bad as the whole stripping for money thing, but i have trouble arguing that it's harmless.

also i think the institution's effect on alyssa has been more complex than she realizes or cares to admit.

 

[Umpteen]

Women talk shit on strippers because it is a terrible job. I've worked as a cocktail waitress in a strip club. Naked bitches on stage get dollar bills from these creepy ass dudes you know have wives at home, and then they give me a $20 tip for bringing them a beer just because I have my shirt *on*.Even the guys who patronize strip joints look down on strippers. And why not? The ones that will blow you for $50 in the private room are whores, and the ones who won't deserve to be mistreated for being misguided sluts, right?

Strip clubs have one of the worst vibes I have ever experienced. They smell like nasty lust and broken dreams. I am sure there are some strippers that do like bachelor parties and whatnot exclusively that can have fun with it. But working *in* a stripclub will pretty much drive you to be drunk all the time (like I was), or snort cocaine up your nose every time you finished a set (the strippers).

 

[Drinky Crow]

Hey, Alyssa, like I said, if you're happy to be a completely interchangable piece of fleshy furniture for a healthy chunk of cash, by all means, enjoy -- or at least feign some sort of facsimile of delight on a web blog, 'cuz it's all the same disingenuous toss to me!

Just don't be surprised when folks' irked reactions aren't rooted in jealousy but in some sort of social conscience given the practical realities of stripping. In a magickal faerie world where guys aren't dumb cocks and women aren't so willing to sell themselves, stripping could possibly be quite liberating. But inasmuch as you feel you're exploiting dumb dudes for dough -- which *is* quite funny unto itself -- a stripper is also a total tool of the seedy folks who govern her occupation. Without the venue, a stripper doesn't exist, and as a result, it's ultimately dudes exploiting other dudes with you as a sort of largely faceless middleman.

GIRL POWER? Sure, but a chunk of that power gets paid to the dudes who dictate the terms of your power, and they sure as hell aren't particularly impressed by your purported wiles. You ain't on top; you're just getting double-teamed by the cocks on the top AND bottom, and you're paid (in some proportion) to like it.

 

[etiolate]

I just get the feeling most strippers woudln't be stripping if they had a regular job to go to. I suppose there are some who do it as a high money second job, but then most strippers have to pay for a bodyguard so that slightly nullifies the extra money.

 

[Umpteen]

GIRL POWER? Sure, but a chunk of that power gets paid to the dudes who dictate the terms of your power, and they sure as hell aren't particularly impressed by your purported wiles.

Extremely true. Strippers don't even get paid wages, it is ALL TIPS. Now consider that the avg. Joe in a strip club might (or might not, you cannot believe the cheapos) shell out $10 in actual dollar bills while you dance. The owners of the bar make *at least* that much off every single guy who comes in. 5-15 cover charge, maybe a 2/3 drink minimum, pretty much every guy who comes into a strip club pays the house at least $50.

 

[Alyssa Hu$tle]

Extremely true. Strippers don't even get paid wages, it is ALL TIPS. Now consider that the avg. Joe in a strip club might (or might not, you cannot believe the cheapos) shell out $10 in actual dollar bills while you dance. The owners of the bar make *at least* that much off every single guy who comes in. 5-15 cover charge, maybe a 2/3 drink minimum, pretty much every guy who comes into a strip club pays the house at least $50.

Here in Australia, the dancers pay a fee to the club to work there, usually b/w $50 - $100 for the evening. Then any cash they make from dancing is their own, they don’t split it with the venue. They charge $20 for a 3 minute dance, and $50 for a 15 minute dance, and tips are on top of this.
So how does it work in the states? Is there not a minumum charge for a dance? Do the girls have to give a cut to the club?
Obviously it is the club that is the winner in all this, there is no doubt about that. I am just curious as to how it works over there.
Edit: And those rates are for private dances.

 

[Umpteen]

Dunno how much they charge for private "dances" here. Pretty sure in 1998/1999 it was $25 for a table dance, $50+ to go in the back room.

In America it works like this: there are one to three stages, each girl gets on a stage for a two song set. Usually song one is partially clothed, song two is nude. When they are done their two songs they scrape up their dollar bills and go solicit private dances until they are due for another set.

I am not entirely sure if they have to pay the club. I didn't, but I didn't get paid by the club, either - yet I wasn't a stripper so like I said I'm not sure.

I didn't *have* to tip anyone out, but I would tip the DJ usually since he walked me out to my car every morning. <3

 

[Umpteen]

Having more fully read the thread, I can agree with you. I have enjoyed going to a few strip clubs myself on occasion. They are great for women to drink at (for all the reasons Allysa listed). I had a deal with more than one stripper to let her take a dollar out of my teeth or something if people weren't paying attention (men are woefully easy - TWO GIRLS W/THEIR MOUTHS CLOSE OMG) in exchange for free drinks.

Working there is a different matter entirely, though. All those girls who seem to be so happy (they are always rubbing their tips in your face. . ."Hey, so when are you going to start stripping!? WE GET PHAT PAID") but in reality they hate men and mostly are addicted to cocaine. I think any woman that can be right in her own mind stripping is more than welcome to do it. I don't look down on them at all. If men are stupid enough to shovel over money to women who don't like them at all, then I say you go girl. I have just seen both sides of the coin, and I think that women feeling liberated by stripping is the extremely rare case.

 

[Alyssa Hu$tle]

In America it works like this: there are one to three stages, each girl gets on a stage for a two song set. Usually song one is partially clothed, song two is nude. When they are done their two songs they scrape up their dollar bills and go solicit private dances until they are due for another set.

Yeah, very similar set-up here, although generally speaking $20 is still the minimum guys will fork out while sitting at the stage, not dollar bills. If they are not forking out money, they will eventually get moved on.
And if one of the girls is late for their set, the girl who is on the stage has to stay there until she gets replaced. They get catty as hell if this happens, because it is from the private dances they make all their money. When this happens, the girl who was late/missed her set has to pay a fine to the girl who was left to cover for her, usually $50 or $100.

 

[Koshiba]

One of my friends that has a fiance that works as an exotic dancer said this, "Also, one thing you have to remember about this profession is that it's not all about the getting nude and performing. Some people go in there just to get a chance to chat it up with a girl (they feel) they wouldn't have a chance with IRL. Sometimes they're having a rough marraige or relationship and they need to have an attractive friend to talk to. I think that's one thing she does very well, and better than MOST of the other workers there. She talks to them like normal human beings, not like a cash bank....thus she comes home better off than many of the others. The good thing is, and this is something I worried about in the beginning, most guys (AND girls!) who come in there for that aformentioned reason know that's what the workers are there for, to entertain. Rarely do they cause trouble or get attached..."

I found that pretty interesting. Like I said, I guess it all depends on where you go and stuff. ALot of places probably are trashy but not all of them it seems.

 

[Umpteen]

All places that serve liquor and allow smoking are trashy, with the notable exception of some restaraunt and wine bars.

 

[Alyssa Hu$tle]

All places that serve liquor and allow smoking are trashy, with the notable exception of some restaraunt and wine bars.

Yeah, I certainly wouldn't go as far to say strip joints are classy establishments. We do have one club in Melbourne called Spearmint Rhino’s which is a more up-scale Gentlemen’s club, but at the end of the day it is still the sex industry and hardly what I would call classy. No less, I still don’t look down on it.

 

[Umpteen]

Pffft, why would you look down on them? LOL all the good young fun in the world happens in places of ill repute.

 

[Alyssa Hu$tle]

Pffft, why would you look down on them? LOL all the good young fun in the world happens in places of ill repute.

Exactly!!!!

 

[Manick Joe]

Well I have quite a different perspective compared to just about everyone here. Just over three years ago I met this amazing girl in english lit in the latter half of my freshman year. We immediately became close and hung out almost every day over summer break. It wasn't just a physical fling either. The two of us took tons of day trips/mini vacations to an assortment of beaches and small towns, jogged and exercised by the river, had in-depth discussions about famous writers/philosophy/religion/etc. and more. So where am I going with all of this?

Those of you thinking she's a stripper well...SUPRISE she's actually an accomplished artist. Ok you got me, she strips as well. Before the only familiarity I had with the profession was through Showgirls and Striptease so I was definitely caught off guard when she told me her job. Honestly, she must be the exception to the typical archetype. She's taken me with her a handful of times and you can definitely see the stereotypes walking around. When we sit together we usually catch up on the daily events and goof on the other girls walking around and the guys trying to court them (light-heartedly, nothing cruel) as we share a meal and drink. Which are reasonably priced like Alyssa mentioned plus they play some good music too.

Does she get upset from her job? Every now and then yeah. She doesn't need to hit the bottle or do a few lines to cope with it though. She has no more "issues" compared to the "regular" girls I've been with in my time.

 

[Uter]

:lol

I don't know why, but "sassiest denials" made me laugh. Also, I must say that it's rather unfortunate that you can only get Doug to post at length when the topic centers around either strippers or the Nintendo DS. Very sad.

:lol :lol So true. I liked that "sassiest denials" bit as well.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

Most strippers are just skanks that need money for their drug addictions. Sad, really.

 

[Virgin Wii]

Bravo, Drinky. Bravo.

And every single one of Alyssa's posts have been predictable (just like she is in every other thread). She's becoming a tired character. Her posts about wanting to have sex with women while still liking men (wow, doesn't that just make you go into an instant self-insert fantasy, guys? :rolleyes) don't seem to be garnering as much attention as they once did, though, so hopefully she'll fade away completely.

 

[HokieJoe]

Here's my take on this very subject....

http://alyssadejour.blogspot.com/2005/06/shes-gone-platinum.html

I understand that not everyone can be a rocket scientist; but I think that most woman with a reasonable IQ can do better for themselves. I'm not saying you have to be stupid to work in a t*tty bar, but I think some of these gals sell themselves short.

I agree with some of your points though.

 

[Warm Machine]

Perhaps we do see the sexual liberation and exhibitionism of a woman on stage and mentally or subconsciously connect that liberation to our own sexual excitement and gratification. If the woman stood on stage terrified and crying the story would likely be differnent.

It takes a certain type of woman to do the job of a stripper, guys get off on that type of woman. You can't put just anybody on that stage and have the crowd react in a way that you think is perhaps a given. In the end it comes down to the skill and personality of the performer, real or simulated.

 

[Shinobi]

Bravo, Drinky. Bravo.

And every single one of Alyssa's posts have been predictable (just like she is in every other thread). She's becoming a tired character. Her posts about wanting to have sex with women while still liking men (wow, doesn't that just make you go into an instant self-insert fantasy, guys? :rolleyes) don't seem to be garnering as much attention as they once did, though, so hopefully she'll fade away completely.

Of course you say that, while bumping up a week old thread to do so. :lol

I'd say the best way for a chick to show her female empowerment while keeping her dignity is to be a model. There's a variety of ways to do that...being at auto shows, doing paegent contests, hosting a website, whatever. Either scenario doesn't seem nearly as icky as stripping.

And I've never been to a strip club in my life. I've never understood the point of it...it's little more then the ultimate tease. I'd sooner just pay 50 for a hooker and some rubbers.

 

[Mupepe]

You all suck, titty's are good and that's it. I'm sure not every woman is empowered by rubbing her tits in your face and taking your money, but I'm also sure some are. I'm sure some have problems, and I'm sure some don't. They're there, they're shaking boobs, someone's going to pay them, and it might as well be me.

 

[Foreign Jackass]

Hey, Alyssa, suck my cock for a thousand bucks! I'm being dumb paying it, so you'd better be proud you're stealing my money! Way to go girl, you're being way smarter than the masculine stereotype! Really, as long as you're making money off my sexual drive, you're probably being smarter than I am!

So long as I'm not the one sucking cocks, I'll always respect people who do it for money. They're the best conwomen there ever was!...

 

[Umpteen]

I'd say the best way for a chick to show her female empowerment while keeping her dignity is to be a model.

:lol

I can think of about fifty ways for women to better show their empowerment while keeping their dignity than *modeling*.

Of course, you are probably just trying to keep it topical. That just made me laugh.

 

[Virgin Wii]

Since this topic is still on the front...

A female's sexuality doesn't empower her. I'm not talking about some of the more seedy things like stripping and prostitution, I'm talking about simply being a woman (even an attractive woman). There's no inherent power to it, even though it may look that way. The only control women have over men is control that men give women... so I'd advise you girls out there who consider what's between your legs to be your greatest asset to set your priorities straight. Your bodies (the female form in general) will not always be such a hot commodity, and that's a definite. The mystique and allure associated with it are a product of our society, and society is always changing. Only 400 years ago, the male form was considered by society (western... not sure about others) to be more beautiful. So don't rely on such a frivolous thing as your looks. At least, not entirely. If you really want to empower your gender, empower yourself first.

 

[Shinobi]

:lol

I can think of about fifty ways for women to better show their empowerment while keeping their dignity than *modeling*.

Of course, you are probably just trying to keep it topical. That just made me laugh.

:lol Oh, it was defintely topical.

 

[Tommie Hu$tle]

So I'm just curious is there ANY man on GAF that acutally likes the strip club? The several hundred threads with pics and avatars of sexy women made me think that someone here did. I guess I'm wrong.

 

[Uter]

Empowerment through the denigration, animalization, and ultimate domination of others, real or assumed! How isn't this about a total lack of real self-esteem and respect. The convenient assumption that any other women who are against stripping are just for that position because they are "jealous", weak, or don't have the body it takes. The attempts to turn an exploitive job and lifestyle into a reverse empowering exploitive experience where the happy go lucky strippers trick money out of stupid men and feel pride and empowered doing it.

I have to agree with most of Drinky's previous posts.

 

[Mupepe]

So I'm just curious is there ANY man on GAF that acutally likes the strip club? The several hundred threads with pics and avatars of sexy women made me think that someone here did. I guess I'm wrong.

I love the strip club and I don't pretend not to. I just don't like fatty's in my strip clubs and I've let that known on the first page

 

[SSGMUN10000]

Woooo...I just came from a strip club. There were some nice looking women in there. I took only $60 which only got me the cover, lap dance, and 4 coronas. It was a nice one never been to it before but damn does money sure burn fast.

 

[Uter]

Woooo...I just came from a strip club. There were some nice looking women in there. I took only $60 which only got me the cover, lap dance, and 4 coronas. It was a nice one never been to it before but damn does money sure burn fast.

You are now part of the great female empowerment circle of life.

 

[Hooker]

You are now part of the great female empowerment circle of life.

:lol :lol :lol




That made beer shoot out of my nose