MarkMan
loves Arcade Sticks
We are going to give the people what they want, need and THEN some.
Super "NeoGAF Arcade Stick Thread" II TURBO
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We are going to give the people what they want, need and THEN some.
sixteen-bit
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I am a sucker for ArcSys buttons, I have 8 more on the way and waiting for a new Guilty Gear set.
4 button layout is my preference for nearly all ArcSys/Gundam/other game.
that arakune is so cute, haha
I should stop buying so many TE2s... I know I'll want some from the sf5 line, especially since it's the last stick from madcatz you'll be involved in designing.
i'm so erect right now
ShadowSoldier89
Member
then how about some better plexi for the TE2 I have
notworksafe
Member
if the answer is another mutated, ugly, overpriced mess like the TE2 that'd be a real bummer
i'm hoping they learned their lesson and are going back to the nicer form factor of the TE1
twozerotwo
Member
Or better yet, sell a PS4 variant of the Pro. Perfect design. No need to mess with it.
sixteen-bit
Member
wouldn't mind to the the VS tier come back tho
I loved the Pro (I had the SFxT versions). I thought it was a great form factor as well. Super comfortable. I would buy one of those over the TE2 or original TE.
I am a sucker for ArcSys buttons, I have 8 more on the way and waiting for a new Guilty Gear set.
4 button layout is my preference for nearly all ArcSys/Gundam/other game.
The ArcSys buttons are adorable
The only thing holding me back from getting a PS4 stick is that none of the sticks really appeal to me :/
MarkMan
loves Arcade Sticks
The new products will have better plexi. all of our sticks moving forward will. for the current one you have, you have a few options. either contact our support team or you can get a fixed solution from someone that makes one. either way, we'll support you if you contact us.
I've emailed you about it a few times over the last year about getting a replacement plexi for the scuffed one that came with my GGXrd stick, but you've always been busy at tournaments or whatever. I just used the Madcatz Offline Support form on their website. Here's hoping that they see my message and finally send me a replacement plexi.
Edit: I had to go back and put in a ticket instead.
MarkMan
loves Arcade Sticks
I've emailed you about it a few times over the last year about getting a replacement plexi for the scuffed one that came with my GGXrd stick, but you've always been busy at tournaments or whatever. I just used the Madcatz Offline Support form on their website. Here's hoping that they see my message and finally send me a replacement plexi.
Edit: I had to go back and put in a ticket instead.
Cool, sorry about that. Don't hesitate to remind me if you have to. I miss a lot of correspondence throughout the day and I apologize.
Question for the more tech-minded, especially Markman, who might know more. Rock band, and rock band 4 in particular, has a way to calibrate your controllers so that input lag isn't such a factor on your television. Rock Band 4's guitar can do this in-game just by the bluetooth signal.
Why haven't fighting games and stick makers done this for these peripherals? Timing is just as important in a fighting game as it is in a rhythm game, I'd say.
Just wondering. Random thought when playing RB4 with some friends this past weekend.
Why haven't fighting games and stick makers done this for these peripherals? Timing is just as important in a fighting game as it is in a rhythm game, I'd say.
Just wondering. Random thought when playing RB4 with some friends this past weekend.
sixteen-bit
Member
well, with FGs unlike Rock band, you're not playing a rehearsed/predetermined match
MegamanXZero
Member
But that doesn't matter for button presses, does it? All of the songs have different timing, the calibration just makes adjustment for inherent lag on the TV, right?
CrashPrime
Member
Armchair coding here, but the idea of smoothing input lag would negatively impact player 2 as player 1 adjusts for that lag.
Rockband adjusts all controllers based on p1's calibration, so everybody's inputs would feel the same.
You want your controller to have extra input lag?
StarCreator
Member
There are two styles of input lag compensation that are possible in music games specifically but are not workable in pretty much any other genre:
1) Fast forward the entire game into the future a little bit; if the game is presenting the song early, it'll be on time after the target display lags it.
2) Calculate the difference between the time the input was hit and the time the input was expected and adjust the handling of the input accordingly.
Neither situation is workable in any sort of action game because you can't predict the future in those games; the situation at any given moment is determined by the players' actions, which means you can't fast forward into a time before the player executed a given input or know in advance what a player is going to do in order to retime an input (unless GGPO style rollbacks were implemented, but I don't think that's a favorable outcome to just presenting action as soon as it happens).
1) Fast forward the entire game into the future a little bit; if the game is presenting the song early, it'll be on time after the target display lags it.
2) Calculate the difference between the time the input was hit and the time the input was expected and adjust the handling of the input accordingly.
Neither situation is workable in any sort of action game because you can't predict the future in those games; the situation at any given moment is determined by the players' actions, which means you can't fast forward into a time before the player executed a given input or know in advance what a player is going to do in order to retime an input (unless GGPO style rollbacks were implemented, but I don't think that's a favorable outcome to just presenting action as soon as it happens).
No? lol.
I'm asking about how rhythm games adjust for input lag and why it isn't used for fighters. I have no idea how it works, I'm just asking for clarification.
Like this. Thank you, that explains it!
Like I said, was a random thought.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
I want to buy a stick to play on my new PS4(SFV beta, GGXrd) and on PC for some SHMUPS, I have a Madcatz PS3 TE stick but it's not compatible so I need a new one, is the
HORI Real Arcade Pro 4 Kai for PlayStation 3/4 a good option for me?
Thanks.
HORI Real Arcade Pro 4 Kai for PlayStation 3/4 a good option for me?
Thanks.
notworksafe
Member
That will work perfectly for PS4 & PC use
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
Thank you.
It's also $149, so it seems like a good deal to me, I'll order it tonight.
I've also got the PS3 TE stick (this one specifically) and I was wondering as it stands, is there really no way to make it work for PC other then buying a PCI card?
Edit: I have the PS3 ver.
notworksafe
Member
If it doesn't work with your default mobo USB, yeah you'll need a PCI USB card.
notworksafe
Member
yes, it's pretty simple. just open it up and drop in a JLF
Going to buy on next check sf5 has been hard to play on a pad
hikarutilmitt
Member
`So I'm getting kind of fed up with my slidy plexi on my te2, but ordering from Art's custom hobbies doesn't seem like a great idea either since I'm in Canada. For just the plexi and shipping it costs 45 USD.
TE2 was 200 USD which is like 260 CAD
plus 45 USD just to get a proper fitting plexi is another 60 CAD.
Are there any other options within Canada? It seems kind of insane to have to spend that much money just to have a plexi that fits properly. I really do hate complaining, but it's really frustrating
TE2 was 200 USD which is like 260 CAD
plus 45 USD just to get a proper fitting plexi is another 60 CAD.
Are there any other options within Canada? It seems kind of insane to have to spend that much money just to have a plexi that fits properly. I really do hate complaining, but it's really frustrating
shaunLEGEND
Member
Your best bet is most likely direct from mad catz. Markman said on his twitter that starting with the mad catz te2 releasing in November, the plexis will be improved. So maybe they would be able to send you one of these improved plexis.
https://twitter.com/MarkMan23/status/658788795790290944
I have a replacement plexi heading my way from Madcatz as of a few days ago. I'll post my impressions of it in here when it arrives. Not sure whether or not it will be the new/improved plexi.
sixteen-bit
Member
Mark from CGR giving props to the Konami Hyperstick
https://youtu.be/9-YVGUgR4Z0
really great controller for the time (full Seimitsu parts)
https://youtu.be/9-YVGUgR4Z0
really great controller for the time (full Seimitsu parts)
New Hayabusa buttons being tested in select Taito arcades. Seems to be a little shorter than the old model. Is that something people were asking for?
http://www.famitsu.com/news/201510/30092002.html
http://www.famitsu.com/news/201510/30092002.html
Looks like it has a texture too.
StarCreator
Member
Is that roughly PS15 size? Neat if it's a new low profile option.
Oh yeah, hadn't noticed that. Hori is definitely doing something about their button lineup. I also just realized "Hayabusa" is their joystick name. The original buttons were "Kuro." I guess they're taking the complaints people had to heart.
Why choose a new name when you can easily confuse people instead...
Resolution
Member
So what's the purpose of making the button height lower?