Super "NeoGAF Arcade Stick Thread" II TURBO

The TES+ is my first stick so I have nothing to compare it to :p when you say the build quality is poor compared to the TE2+ in what way?

The lighter weight of the stick plus the feel of the plastic to my hands - as in the actual texture of the TES+ feels a bit cheap and smudgy.

The surface of the TE2+ has a lower coefficient of friction (aka its less sticky) and nicer, heavier feel in general. I also just like the larger size of it.

Not sure why they used such tacky plastic on the TES+.

P.S. Don't get me wrong, TES+ is a great stick! If it had more surface area for my right palm, I would have probably would've exchanged it for a new one. Mine has some weird plastic underneath the buttons sticking out and looked odd.
 
installed some grey sanwas on the RAP4. It was pretty easy, but for a noob, those first couple scared me. I kept picturing the plastic snapping off as I forced them in.
 
I just took the yellow gate off my LS-40. Even though it doesn't look like it makes much of a difference, it most certainly does!

I love this goddamned stick.
 
I just read on SRK that the LS-56 doesn't actually fit the Mayflash V2. You can still attach it with 2 out of 4 screws but eeh.

How does the tension of the LS-38 compare?
How quickly does the LS-40 return to center?
 
I just read on SRK that the LS-56 doesn't actually fit the Mayflash V2. You can still attach it with 2 out of 4 screws but eeh.

How does the tension of the LS-38 compare?
How quickly does the LS-40 return to center?

Weird. Did they say what kind of mounting plate they used with the LS-56? I've mounted a 58 in a Venom using (I think it was) a SE-P40 plate, and all four screws were most certainly affixed to it. Would have thought the same would apply to the LS-56 and the V2 given it'll use the same plate and the chassis on the stick is reputedly the same.
 
Weird. Did they say what kind of mounting plate they used with the LS-56? I've mounted a 58 in a Venom using (I think it was) a SE-P40 plate, and all four screws were most certainly affixed to it. Would have thought the same would apply to the LS-56 and the V2 given it'll use the same plate and the chassis on the stick is reputedly the same.
Well that's new info. The V2/Venom has four holes directly in the case that fit an LS-32 but apparently not an LS-56. If a mounting plate is compatible with the stick then awesome nvm.
Did you need to buy the plate separately?

Edit: Do any of the dedicated arcade stick websites sell double-sided 5-pin harnesses, or is it just Amazon?
 
So I got some red sanwa buttons hoping that they would help the red balltop I bought a few weeks back work on my hrap 4 and...

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they don't >.> BUT they do work on my SFxT fightstick pro so I put them on there:

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and now to buy a hayabusa stick for my sfxt stick...
 
So I got some red sanwa buttons hoping that they would help the red balltop I bought a few weeks back work on my hrap 4 and...

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they don't >.> BUT they do work on my SFxT fightstick pro so I put them on there:

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and now to buy a hayabusa stick for my sfxt stick...

I don't think the red was all that bad but the white is definitely better.
 
I wanna get into street fighter V on PC

I've got this old arcade stick " HORI Xbox 360 Dead or Alive 4 Arcade Stick "

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am i able to buy some new buttons and install them onto this one or should I not bother with that and just buy a brand new stick?
 
I wanna get into street fighter V on PC

I've got this old arcade stick " HORI Xbox 360 Dead or Alive 4 Arcade Stick "

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am i able to buy some new buttons and install them onto this one or should I not bother with that and just buy a brand new stick?
This stick is a *gigantic* pain in the ass to mod. If you don't want to become very familiar with a soldering iron and/or cutting tools, buy another one.
 
I wanna get into street fighter V on PC

I've got this old arcade stick " HORI Xbox 360 Dead or Alive 4 Arcade Stick "

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am i able to buy some new buttons and install them onto this one or should I not bother with that and just buy a brand new stick?

I'm pretty sure I remember those not having the buttons connected with disconnects. You'd have to desolder the PCB to replace the buttons. I think you're limited in what sticks fit in there too, since it's so shallow.
 
What stick would you guys recommend for a beginner?

The new Hori HRAP4 is what I'd recommend for someone starting out. You can find them sometimes for around $130 brand new pretty often. Great entry stick for a reasonable price. The TES+ is another good option but the entry price is much higher at $200. With the market these days you can't really go wrong.

Just make sure you stick through getting used to the stick. It's not going to be easy at first.
 
Picked up a TES+ the other day. It's pretty nice. I seem to have gotten lucky as I haven't found any issues with it. I find the stick a little loose though, so I think I might get a heavier spring and maybe an enlarged actuator to tighten it up a bit.
 
I apologize if this has been asked before, but I looked through the last few pages and couldn't really find anything: what is the current difference between the Hori Kai and Hayabusa sticks? Now that the Kai has hayabusa buttons and lever, I'm not understanding what makes the Hayabusa stick worth $50 more.
 
I apologize if this has been asked before, but I looked through the last few pages and couldn't really find anything: what is the current difference between the Hori Kai and Hayabusa sticks? Now that the Kai has hayabusa buttons and lever, I'm not understanding what makes the Hayabusa stick worth $50 more.

The PCB is also different, it introduces less lag than the former version of the RAP 4, with Kuro buttons.
 
What stick would you guys recommend for a beginner?
The current rulers of entry-level sticks are the Mayflash V2 (PS3/360/XInput/DInput) and the Venom (PS4/PS3/DInput). Aside from the system compatibility, both are the exact same hardware, and they are the cheapest not-terrible sticks that you can buy. Extremely solid case, good enough buttons and joystick, and easy upgradeability. Heck an upgraded V2/Venom is often cheaper than a high-end stick.
 
The PCB is also different, it introduces less lag than the former version of the RAP 4, with Kuro buttons.

Less lag on the Hayabusa? I'm definitely not playing on a level where I would notice it, unless it's major. The difference between playing the PS4 version of SFV on my TV versus PC version on my monitor (with vsync off) is a significant and noticeable jump, but I'm not the kind of player that's going to notice input lag if it's small enough.

Okay, found this. Kinda leaning towards this stick now.
 
Less lag on the Hayabusa? I'm definitely not playing on a level where I would notice it, unless it's major. The difference between playing the PS4 version of SFV on my TV versus PC version on my monitor (with vsync off) is a significant and noticeable jump, but I'm not the kind of player that's going to notice input lag if it's small enough.

Okay, found this. Kinda leaning towards this stick now.
The Kais are great sticks. I love my HRAP3 version. But I do think the higher asking price for the HRAP5 is not justified.

When I bought my Kai V3 it was a pretty great stick, but then there was also the RAP N3, which cost more but also had a much nicer case.

As far as I can tell, the RAP5 is the same case save for different colors on top? The form-factor for the Kai has always felt...kinda meh to me.

Lastly, I wouldn't pay much mind to the claims of latency. I've had no issue playing with my Premium VLX (which is supposedly terrible) either in online or offline play.
 
I just read on SRK that the LS-56 doesn't actually fit the Mayflash V2. You can still attach it with 2 out of 4 screws but eeh.

How does the tension of the LS-38 compare?
How quickly does the LS-40 return to center?
For what it's worth, my LS-40 flat (non-S) plate didn't exactly align with my Venom either. But what I found was that the screws mounting the joystick to the plate (they're in a square shape) lined up with four screws on the Venom's panel perfectly. So I just removed the plate and mounted the joystick directly onto the Venom.

I suspect it may sit slightly higher than it's supposed to, but that doesn't feel wrong to me at all. Hell, it feels amazing.

And the LS-40 feels it returns quite quickly to center, mainly because of it's short throw. I really like that stick, but keep in mind I barely have any experience with any other sticks.
 
Less lag on the Hayabusa? I'm definitely not playing on a level where I would notice it, unless it's major. The difference between playing the PS4 version of SFV on my TV versus PC version on my monitor (with vsync off) is a significant and noticeable jump, but I'm not the kind of player that's going to notice input lag if it's small enough.

Okay, found this. Kinda leaning towards this stick now.

Just get the new HRAP4 Kai with xinput. You'll save money and get an upgraded better version of the stick.
 
Just picked up SFV this morning off amazon. Right now looking at the HORI Real Arcade Pro 4 Kai fight stick to compliment it and learn on. Good choice?
 
Just picked up SFV this morning off amazon. Right now looking at the HORI Real Arcade Pro 4 Kai fight stick to compliment it and learn on. Good choice?

Good choice. I like that stick a lot. Plus the ones they have in stock now have the new Hayabusa buttons. I got the Hayabusa lever to put in my MadCatz because I liked it so much.
 
Good choice. I like that stick a lot. Plus the ones they have in stock now have the new Hayabusa buttons. I got the Hayabusa lever to put in my MadCatz because I liked it so much.

Nice. I think I'm going to bite. I plan on putting time into SFV and definitely want to get into others such as tekken 7 etc.
 
I wish I had it on hand, but Teyah told me Japan did some tests on the stick and it had less delay. You don't have to believe me, it's just what he told me since he hasn't been able to test it himself yet.

lol I believe you. I was just curious how much better it was since I own it! :)
 
Someone in my local group is saying that the hrap 4 Kai has a bad pcb and "random input lag" and I have no idea what he's talking about.

I was thinking of getting one of these so I don't have to use the Ps3 te on ps4, and getting some silent buttons added. Is this dude confused or what.?
 
For what it's worth, my LS-40 flat (non-S) plate didn't exactly align with my Venom either. But what I found was that the screws mounting the joystick to the plate (they're in a square shape) lined up with four screws on the Venom's panel perfectly. So I just removed the plate and mounted the joystick directly onto the Venom.

The positions for the screws for the mounting plate for the LS-56/58 (left) are different to those on the LS-32/40 (right) - they use a different set of mounting plates for that reason, though I guess there's some generic plates (there's a Kowal one, at least) designed to allow you to mount multiple types of sticks to multiple different panels.

These extra holes on the Vemons front panel (which I honestly hadn't even noticed until you guys mentioned it. Learn something new every day!) are sizes for the LS-32/40-type sticks, rather than the LS-56/58.

The mount for the stick in the Venom is a straight-up clone of the standard Sanwa JLF-P1, coincidentally. The Seimitsu SE P-40 flat plate for the 56/58 has mounting holes which line up with the mounting positions on the stock mounting plate - here's me holding the stock mounting plate (and one from a Hori Hayabusa, because why not?) over that LS-58 with a P-40 I pictured above.


I've had that particular stick on that particular mounting plate in a Venom before, so it should be fine.

I suspect it may sit slightly higher than it's supposed to, but that doesn't feel wrong to me at all. Hell, it feels amazing.

That's probably OK - I'm under the impression that the plate-to-handle thread distance on the LS-40 (and the 32, for that matter) is a few millimetres shorter than a JLF or a LS-56, presumably with the expectation that you are mounting it fairly close to the surface of the stick. It'll probably be within a millimetre or two of the stick you've removed.

Does this fit on a Sanwa stick or just the hayabusa?

It's specifically made for the Hayabusa - they Hayabusa isn't really made with replacing the gate in mind, so you're removing a bunch of surprisingly long screws to switch the part out, whereas Sanwa gate parts are clip-on affairs.

Someone in my local group is saying that the hrap 4 Kai has a bad pcb and "random input lag" and I have no idea what he's talking about.

I was thinking of getting one of these so I don't have to use the Ps3 te on ps4, and getting some silent buttons added. Is this dude confused or what.?

There's two different models of HRAP 4 on sale in the US at this point. The more recent model, which uses the newer Hayabusa buttons rather than Kuro's, has a new PCB which has xInput support for PC and apparently a much more responsive PCB.

That said, a lot of folks are suddenly putting a lot of stock in these difficult-to-entirely-quantify lag tests now that SFV is out. The differences we are talking about are probably completely inconsequential for most players, honestly (although the previous model HRAP4's sat toward the bottom of said testing tables. No-one as formally done the new HRAP4, so, naturally, there's confusion abound)

Basically, though, as long as you make sure you get the latest model HRAP 4, you are probably fine.
 
which bat tops are those?

The standard black Sanwas. I have 2 of the clear ones they made that don't require the adapter, but the bottom of those sits flush with the shaft when screwed in and sits WAY too high. The aluminum ones are just heavier than I'd want, eve adding a higher tension spring than 2lb.
 
I have a machine-shop friend who says he'd be able to modify the LS-56 MS plate to fit the V2, or even make a new plate entirely, so that's not a problem.

At this point I'm debating between an LS-40 and an LS-56. The joystick will be used for shmups first, fighters second, and I'd like to have some things addressed before making a purchase.
  • How is the tension? I've heard conflicting things about the LS-40, anywhere from JLF-like to more like an LS-32. I've also heard conflicting opinions about the LS-56, from perfect to way too stiff.
  • How easy is it to rapidly swap directions? (e.g. left-right, dl-dr, dl-ur, etc)
  • How quickly does the stick return to center?
  • How easy is it to double-tap a direction?
  • How does riding the edge of the gate feel? The corner of the gate?
Also, everyone says that it's impossible to rest your fingers on Sanwa OBSF 30s due to the low actuation force. How easy is it to adapt to hovering your fingers over the buttons, particularly in the context of shmups where you're almost always holding a button down?

Edit: w/e, gonna order a LS-40 and eight black OBSF-30s in the near future. Just waiting for both to be in-stock at the same storefront so I can (hopefully) save on shipping.
 
Every razor player had a stick malfunction at final round.


Edit: i guess it wasn't a malfunction for Infiltration , but if razor is going to sponsor players for fighters, they should consider making a stick for the console most every fighter will be played on.
 
Every razor player had a stick malfunction at final round.


Edit: i guess it wasn't a malfunction for Infiltration , but if razor is going to sponsor players for fighters, they should consider making a stick for the console most every fighter will be played on.

Well Min-Liang Tan needs to get over himself before we can get to that point. Hopefully this latest showing will wake him up unless he is planning on dropping their FG team altogether.

It'd be nice to have more PS options for sticks but I am highly suspect of razers QC.
 
Well Min-Liang Tan needs to get over himself before we can get to that point. Hopefully this latest showing will wake him up unless he is planning on dropping their FG team altogether.

It'd be nice to have more PS options for sticks but I am highly suspect of razers QC.

Agreed on all points. I would never buy one, but if the point of sponsoring somebody is getting your brand out there, seems silly to get your brand out there on a console that doesn't have an option for your product.
 
Agreed on all points. I would never buy one, but if the point of sponsoring somebody is getting your brand out there, seems silly to get your brand out there on a console that doesn't have an option for your product.

After the EVO incident last year I would have thought they would have tried bettering their image and putting some time into making their product better. After almost a year of no word from them and even more failures it is clear to me they don't care much.

They must be paying and helping their sponsors really well to keep them on. With madcatz recent troubles and razers issues with their product I feel like we aren't going to see stick sponsors in the coming future. With the new launch of SFV and record numbers in tournaments I would have thought that this would be a golden age instead of what it is.
 
Talked to Madcatz support. Apparently me being able to order was a site error and they have no eta on when they'll get more in stock. rip me
 
Talked to Madcatz support. Apparently me being able to order was a site error and they have no eta on when they'll get more in stock. rip me

I ordered them too and honestly had forgot about them until you said something. Their website is fucking abysmal lol. Can't cancel an order, had to send them a ticket.
 
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