Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread XI: Where 90% correct equals 100% wrong

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Dr. Mario not being a costume for Mario and taking up an entire slot is just stupid, imo. If they're taking more liberties with costumes, there's no reason Dr. Mario should be separate other than Melee's existence. Progress, people...
 
Makai said:
They could change their design. Desynched control at all times.
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Desync is part of the AI though, I thought. You manipulate Nana to do something while Popo is in the middle of an action (like a grab). I don't play ICs much at all but I'm pretty sure desyncs rely on Nana's AI.

I don't think Sakurai wants them both to be controlled by the player like Rosalina & Luma. If they're to come back, he would want them to come back as they have always played: you have semi-control/influence over Nana's actions/choices but ultimately she is independent from Popo when separated and that is part of playing them. I don't think ICs players would want their character gutted of the things they like about them.
 
Pyrokai said:
Dr. Mario not being a costume for Mario and taking up an entire slot is just stupid, imo. If they're taking more liberties with costumes, there's no reason Dr. Mario should be separate other than Melee's existence. Progress, people...
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I agree, though I can see why Dr. Mario's "seniority" as a unique playable character could be a reason to make him his own slot. That said, I believe he's better served as a costume, particularly because we could also have Dr. Luigi (and maybe even Nurse Peach).
 
random25 said:
Leaks. Sakurai will reveal a POTD stage with a leaking roof.
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Picture of Chrom and Robin, says Chrom was planned at one point but in development replaced by Robin, Lucina shifted from alt to clone later in development. Also confirms exactly 2 more newcomer videos left

Basically reconfirms gematsu leak and internet panic begins again
 
Pyrokai said:
Dr. Mario not being a costume for Mario and taking up an entire slot is just stupid, imo. If they're taking more liberties with costumes, there's no reason Dr. Mario should be separate other than Melee's existence. Progress, people...
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I don't think Dr. Mario will be in the game at all, but I'd rather he be his own character. He would have his own name, intro animation (no Warp Pipe), taunts, maybe some kind of virus move instead of F.L.U.D.D., and possibly even a Dr. Mario victory jingle. I don't see what "progress" has to do with that.
 
Revven said:
Desync is part of the AI though, I thought. You manipulate Nana to do something while Popo is in the middle of an action (like a grab). I don't play ICs much at all but I'm pretty sure desyncs rely on Nana's AI.

I don't think Sakurai wants them both to be controlled by the player like Rosalina & Luma. If they're to come back, he would want them to come back as they have always played: you have semi-control/influence over Nana's actions/choices but ultimately she is independent from Popo when separated and that is part of playing them. I don't think ICs players would want their character gutted of the things they like about them.
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Well, they could be programmed so Nana follows you when you run, but you alternate characters when you input attacks.
 
SmithnCo said:
I mean, DHD has been a fan-speculated character for two games, but it strikes me as people deliberately looking for an obscure WTF character. I think Sakurai has proven to be less predictable than that.
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You're not wrong, but lots of characters have been fan-speculated for two games. Black Shadow inheriting Ganondorf's moveset, for example. But the odds of that happening are abysmal. Sukapon has been visited as a classic addition from being from Nintendo's first fighting game. Duck Hunt Dog is one of these ideas - characters that "make sense" but won't happen. They'll just be brought up time after time as a thing that could happen.
 
Ryce said:
I don't think Dr. Mario will be in the game at all, but I'd rather he be his own character. He would have his own name, intro animation (no Warp Pipe), taunts, maybe some kind of virus move instead of F.L.U.D.D., and possibly even a Dr. Mario victory jingle. I don't see what "progress" has to do with that.
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Aside from the FLUDD replacement, all of these things also can be done with alternate costumes.
 
Revven said:
Desync is part of the AI though, I thought. You manipulate Nana to do something while Popo is in the middle of an action (like a grab). I don't play ICs much at all but I'm pretty sure desyncs rely on Nana's AI.

I don't think Sakurai wants them both to be controlled by the player like Rosalina & Luma. If they're to come back, he would want them to come back as they have always played: you have semi-control/influence over Nana's actions/choices but ultimately she is independent from Popo when separated and that is part of playing them. I don't think ICs players would want their character gutted of the things they like about them.
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Sakurai's entire job is to gut Smash Bros. of the things players like. How do you think we ended up here with Ridley and Takamaru? Mewtwo? Brawl?

 
Finale Fireworker said:
You're not wrong, but lots of characters have been fan-speculated for two games. Black Shadow inheriting Ganondorf's moveset, for example. But the odds of that happening are abysmal. Sukapon has been visited as a classic addition from being from Nintendo's first fighting game. Duck Hunt Dog is one of these ideas - characters that "make sense" but won't happen. They'll just be brought up time after time as a thing that could happen.
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-characrers that make sense

-duck hunt dog

These statements should not be together
 
TreIII said:
I'd just be happy if Mother 1 got any type of representation at all. Though, I'll admit that I'm more partial to seeing Teddy!
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Yeah, surprised we haven't seen anything beyond the main music for Onett yet, barring a few stickers. Granted, Brawl's trophies were all "Stuff in the game or easily ripped from an earlier Wii game," so all EarthBound/Mother got was Ness, Lucas, their FS', and Jeff, but we seem to be getting a bit more this time around, so maybe we'll see trophies?

Personally, however, I'm still hoping Ness gets a Ninten alt. Just flatten his head a little, give him a scarf, and that's literally all they need to call it a day.
 
On the topic of Ganondorf, I feel the most reasonable thing would be something like Palutena where one set has his specials from the previous smash games and then he has another set of specials that are new.
 
Red Arremer said:
Aside from the FLUDD replacement, all of these things also can be done with alternate costumes.
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After giving Dr. Mario his own name, taunts, jingle, pills, and electrical properties, why not take that small extra step and make him his own character? An irrational hatred of there being two Marios on the select screen is about the only reason I can think of.
 
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Let's do this guys
 
Ryce said:
After giving Dr. Mario his own name, taunts, jingle, pills, and electrical properties, why not take that small extra step and make him his own character? An irrational hatred of there being two Marios on the select screen is about the only reason I can think of.
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We already have Mario, Green Mario, and Fat Mario. Too many Overall Brawlers.

 
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