Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread XI: Where 90% correct equals 100% wrong
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There are easy remedies for that.
1. Make sure the polycount on those projectiles on 3DS is minor. Maybe take out the 'shrinking' part of their projectile. Maybe replace some things w/ sprites on 3DS.
2. Limit the number of projectiles that they can have out at once. Balance it to make sure that it's not a problem.
3. Change their moveset a bit so that it's not an issue.
They really don't seem like they spam projectiles more than other characters can. Plus they can just limit the amount of projectiles onscreen in some way.
As someone who has generally been avoiding reading this leak because I don't believe 99.99% of leaks, what is lending this particular one enough credibility for it to be discussed for more than two pages? Is there any shred of evidence, or is this just a case of "potd was borning, smashgaf was bored".
He posted alt colors from the E3 build... before E3.
All that could mean is that said person is affiliated w/ nintendo in some way as to have played the e3 build early.
PadWarrior
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Since mods at smashboards are vouching for the guy some think its legit
He posted some alt colors from the E3 build. Which could also mean he was lucky, or just saw the build before most others.
Storm Kyleis
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Of course the 3DS is inferior to the Wii U, these technical limitations could prevent them from adding new excessively complex characters. But this doesn't apply to already existing characters, the 3DS is perfectly capable to have the same characters present on GameCube. The same quote states that despite these technical challenges "no characters had been cut so far".
Bit of smashgaf was bored, bit of "they posted specific sm4sh alt colours before hey were revealed but they probably just saw the demo before anyone else"
(Though I find it hard to believe someone managed to see the demo at E3 before E3, then was able to go home and create the alt outifts and upload them, unless they actually lived in wherever E3 is and had access to their main PC, can't see anyone bothering with thaton a laptop)
balladofwindfishes
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Putting the Polar Bear in Smash Run and then not having Ice Climbers would just be bizarre, if not downright cruel, to do to fans. If an entire series is cut, I don't think they'll be referenced at all in the game.
Leaks are just..."fun" to read through.
Exactly my point
I think they'd still have trophies, but to be featured in Smash Run which so far has had enemies from playable series? (If an RH rep is in) Yeah, that would be weird.
I don't have a problem with people speculating, I just don't like coming into a leak discussion and hearing people talking about it being credible without knowing what lends it any credibility whatsoever.
Again, negligible. Their side-B is a sprite-based billboard particle system which should have no effect on performance. Think the little flourishes that go up when you eat food, or the effects that go off when you smash attack other players.
And just to humor me, their neutral B in Brawl:
A whopping 124 tris.
There are no technical hurdles involved with bringing the Ice Climbers to the 3DS. If I'm stretching, they could possibly have some difficulty in getting the outline effect down to a single draw call with them, if they wanted their outlines to be additive (so there's not two outlines when they're on top of one another, on the Z-axis), but that's a tiny shader issue that I'm sure they could figure out, and wouldn't really matter if they didn't. And seeing as they don't do that with items already, I doubt they even care about such a tiny, minute issue.
So there you go, that's me TRYING to manufacture some doubt as to their inclusion, and that's the best I've got.
When talking about a game in development, Sakurai can't confirm any characters explicitly from the outset because in my experience, 99% of game development is stuff going horribly wrong unexpectedly. You never know what'll happen along the way, and that's why so many other devs will temper their fans' expectations.
balladofwindfishes
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Yes, every enemy in Smash Run is from a represented series except the little guys from Dig Dug, but Pac Man is more of a Namco rep than a Pac Man rep anyway and the little guys are obviously supposed to be Pac Man's smash run enemy.
You know, I even take suspect to removing Mario's Blue Team colors. Those weren't just his Blue Team colors, that was a nod to his old appearance where his pants were red and his shirt was blue. And they make the hat blue for readability between the colors.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I've not seen anyone that are taking this leak seriously. Only with what if.
balladofwindfishes
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Each character only have 8 skins also means Wario loses a number of skins with no replacements. We've never had a situation where a character actually lost their skin count.
They technically qualify as Pac-Man characters: http://pacman.wikia.com/wiki/Pooka
Again, negligible. Their side-B is a sprite-based billboard particle system which should have no effect on performance. Think the little flourishes that go up when you eat food, or the effects that go off when you smash attack other players.
And just to humor me, their neutral B in Brawl:
A whopping 124 tris.
There are no technical hurdles involved with bringing the Ice Climbers to the 3DS. If I'm stretching, they could possibly have some difficulty in getting the outline effect down to a single draw call with them, if they wanted their outlines to be additive (so there's not two outlines when they're on top of one another, on the Z-axis), but that's a tiny shader issue that I'm sure they could figure out, and wouldn't really matter if they didn't. And seeing as they don't do that with items already, I doubt they even care about such a tiny, minute issue.
So there you go, that's me TRYING to manufacture some doubt as to their inclusion, and that's the best I've got.
When talking about a game in development, Sakurai can't confirm any characters explicitly from the outset because in my experience, 99% of game development is stuff going horribly wrong unexpectedly. You never know what'll happen along the way, and that's why so many other devs will temper their fans' expectations.
Great, informative posts, thanks. Almost definitely no reason they can't make it from a technical standpoint! Like I was saying before, I was just spitballing some ideas.
Do we know if luma/pikmin have outlines? If so, then they can just use the same system. If not, then maybe nana can ALSO have no outlines, since you're not technically controlling her and don't need it to keep track of her.
I'm honestly just thinking that they're either unlockable or that they'll be in some newcomer trailer.
The other possibility is that the last direct/trailer we get is the intro, and in that intro, the remaining veterans are revealed. We don't have a 'subspace story cutscene' issue again where the intro is just a mishmash of all of those. The other possibility is that the intro is a mishmash of all of the newcomer intros.
Yeah, I don't take any of them as 'truth', but rather fun things to speculate on. I like seeing other people's ideas (aka 'leaks') and trying to extrapolate them into actual game concepts and figure out how they'd work.
Brawl had some amazing tracks, can these please return:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfWJJiDOQGM - Great Temple/Temple
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WBcwDe-RIE - Mute City
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBKgQeCjqTM Temple (Melee)
I have too much to list, including MetaKnight's Revenge and Tal-Tal Heights.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfWJJiDOQGM - Great Temple/Temple
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WBcwDe-RIE - Mute City
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBKgQeCjqTM Temple (Melee)
I have too much to list, including MetaKnight's Revenge and Tal-Tal Heights.
Weiner Whistle
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Excuse me?? I'd like to respectfully disagree!
Duck Hunt Dog has been a long-time "it'll never happen and it'd be kind of dumb but I want it anyway" choice.
I also really want Cranky Kong with his DKC cartoon voice actor and all of his cane attack moves and he has to trash on Sonic a lot. But that will also never happen unless my plans to usurp Sakurai's position succeed.
I also really want Cranky Kong with his DKC cartoon voice actor and all of his cane attack moves and he has to trash on Sonic a lot. But that will also never happen unless my plans to usurp Sakurai's position succeed.
I hope that when they inevitably bring back Temple - they give it a visual makeover. Right now it bears only a passing resemblance to the Palaces it's based on.
I really hope we get an intro on par with Melee's. That still gives me chills even after all these years and even with how old and ugly a lot of it looks.
I think I'm a little more prejudiced about this particular leak because, while I say that I'm laid back and generally open to anything and everything they could put in this game, I fucking hate the duck hunt dog. Even just the mention of him being playable is absolutely putrid and disgusting. He is my one token irrationally hated playable character choice.
Everything else? Totally fine. Koopalings in a car? Bowser Jr? Tingle? A famicom with legs? Master Chief? All fine. Whatever, I'm down for anything. As long as it's not the fucking dog from duck hunt.
SenorArdilla
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Rosalina & Luma
Pikmin & Olimar
Neither Luma or Pikmin get outlines.
Pikmin & Olimar
Neither Luma or Pikmin get outlines.
I understand completely, I want to see the Duck Hunt Dog show up in Smash in some way myself, but everyone has an irrational "I really hate this character other people want" thing with this series. But I'm gonna just say, I bet if he does show up Sakurai will probably make you love him. He did it with Pac-Man for a lot of folks!
Don't be sad. All of these fake leaks shouldn't get your hopes down. Ness will be revealed next month (august) and you'll be fine.
Same with the Mongolian Legos
While I hope for one to, we have to remember that the intro was partly designed to show that the GCN could render FMV, which was one of the complaints when it came to the N64 vs PSX. We know the Wii U can do FMV so they have less incentive for a fancy intro.
But since there is no story mode they also can't be lazy and fall back on ready made clips... unless they slice and dice the reveal trailers...
Hahaha
You and me both!
Though I wouldn't be down with those other characters you mentioned either.
Where was it stated officially that each character only has 8 skins? I missed that info.
As for Wario, I'm very sure he'll still have a ton of skins in both costumes.
Edit: What would they even call the Duck Hunt Dog?
Laughing Dog sounds stupid. Just calling him Dog would... well I guess that would work with Fox and Wolf, but still.
What is his name?
FIDO FETCHES THE FIGHT!
Beelzebufo
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I mean, we did have that Mewtwo trophy in Brawl, so all cut characters aren't exactly taboo. Plus, it's not like Sakurai to put a perfectly good reusable model to waste. There's no Subspace Emmissary, but there are Subspace enemies.
Either way though, it's really hard to take this leak seriously. There's a lot of reasons why the alt costume thing isn't really hard evidence, as basically everyone has said, and even though we have several more well-known Smash community members giving similar information, there's not really a solid reason to believe in it, unlike what we had with the Gematsu leak. There's also the fact that I honestly doubt the Ice Climbers would be cut, especially with the polar bear being there, and I think that's way too optimistic a newcomer count as far as non-clone newcomers go.
Anyway, I think I'm still going to go with the roster I had right after the Lucina reveal. While I wholly expect Dark Pit to show up, right now I think that he and other similar characters will stay as alt costumes. It's odd that we didn't get a character reveal for Dark Pit if he was his own character, since we got one for Lucina, and I don't know what they'd be able to do for Dark Pit to differentiate him enough to bump him from alt costume to clone like Lucina's sword did for her. I guess only time will tell, I could easily be wrong. Either way, I'd love to be able to play as MKJ and a dog that throws ducks at people.
The Great Gonzales
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If Duck Hunt Dog is revealed, I'm going to throw something.
edit: here we go again
Nope, lol.
If I'm to put myself in Sakurai's shoes - I'd say that promoting the upcoming games there's three things to take into consideration:
The need to distinguish this Smash from the previous games to the general public
The need to promote fighter's respective series and upcoming or recently released games
The need to surprise players with unlockable characters
By keeping characters like Ness, Ice Climbers or Falco secret until release, while promoting more relevant or unique characters and newcomers prior to release, you get the most interest in the game from the general public, fan payoff when they're relieved to unlock their old favorites, and all that cross-promotion $$$$$.
I don't think we'll see a lot of veterans before release, and that's fine, because Sakurai wants you to freak out when you see this screen.
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And really, if you were in his shoes - wouldn't you want to too?
balladofwindfishes
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In the "leak" we're discussing, it says every character will have 8 alts, including costumes. Wario has like 12 or something in Brawl.
I think that was part of the smashboards leak.
Which was another weird thing. I doubt every character will have the same amount of colors.
Exotoro
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you know they will
MrSaturn99
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Welcome back!
Beelzebufo
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Thanks!
I played Awakening all the way through for the first time (didn't get past like chapter 10 or something before selling it last time), so I'm super stoked for Robin now.
Ohhhhhh nvm me then. I thought everyone was taking rumors serious again.
Mii will have about a hunned fiddy colors to themselves
Thanks!
I played Awakening all the way through for the first time (didn't get past like chapter 10 or something before selling it last time), so I'm super stoked for Robin now.
Then all is well. :]
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