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Super Metroid
Fusion
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Prime 2
Prime = Prime 3
Zero Mission
B
Metroid = Metroid 2
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Other M
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Super Metroid
Fusion
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Prime 2
Prime = Prime 3
Zero Mission
B
Metroid = Metroid 2
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Other M
I really, really, really, REALLY love Prime 2.
Just everything about it I find fascinating and it's one of the few games I will replay over and over.
I remember when I first got it there wasa "2 preowned games for £10" at game and I wanted to get double dash and either MP1 or MP2.
I got MP2 because it said it had multiplayer and I had friends round, but the multiplayer ended up sucking.
But the single player? Loved every minute, the entire part that leads up to the first time you properly get to the dark world is my favourite start to any Metroid game.
The cutscene when you find the crashed GF ship and you watch the recording of the troopers being overrun, after which samus closes the eye of the dead GF trooper next to her, bows her head in remembrance for a second or two and then confidently stands up to fuck up whoever caused it all is better characterisation than anything in Other M if you ask me.
Just everything about it I find fascinating and it's one of the few games I will replay over and over.
I remember when I first got it there wasa "2 preowned games for £10" at game and I wanted to get double dash and either MP1 or MP2.
I got MP2 because it said it had multiplayer and I had friends round, but the multiplayer ended up sucking.
But the single player? Loved every minute, the entire part that leads up to the first time you properly get to the dark world is my favourite start to any Metroid game.
The cutscene when you find the crashed GF ship and you watch the recording of the troopers being overrun, after which samus closes the eye of the dead GF trooper next to her, bows her head in remembrance for a second or two and then confidently stands up to fuck up whoever caused it all is better characterisation than anything in Other M if you ask me.
MrSaturn99
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bowser jr. SUCKS I hope he's never playable..................
Makes some good points, but Gematsu's source isn't a foreign debugger, its an employee of Namco Bandai.
Also, kinda stupid to assume it made Brawls balance awful. Meta Knight, the first revealed newcomer, is the most broken character in Brawl. But since he was also the first revealed, he could've been in every build without worrying about him being leaked, since we already knew about him.
JavelinRobin
Banned
Take it back. In the koopa hierarchy, Bowser Jr. outclasses every single one of the koopa kids. He'd make a great addition.
SoldnerKei
Member
hey, I miss him in Mario Kart 8... thou I wouldn't want him in smash lol
Beelzebufo
Banned
I didn't like Prime 2 because it was the start of Metroid becoming terrible. It's only a small start, but it's there. Weird cutscenes, steady sexulization of Samus, more straightforward goals. The best part was Dark Samus, which was still really really cool. But when I was playing Trilogy, you can definitely see how a lot of the potential of Prime was dropped in Prime 2.
Also, I don't see how getting Bowser Jr and Duck Hunt Dog is "slightly better" than getting Chorus Men, Ice Climbers, and Wolf.
Also, I don't see how getting Bowser Jr and Duck Hunt Dog is "slightly better" than getting Chorus Men, Ice Climbers, and Wolf.
The Primes and the regular Metroids are like two different series to me. I can barely compare them.
Prime 2 holds a special place in my heart almost purely due to Torvus Bog and Sanctuary Fortress. From an environmental art standpoint, they remain unmatched in the entire series.
Prime 2 holds a special place in my heart almost purely due to Torvus Bog and Sanctuary Fortress. From an environmental art standpoint, they remain unmatched in the entire series.
Sure.
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Super Metroid
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Prime 1
Zero Mission
Prime 2
A tier
Fusion
Prime 3
B tier
Metroid 2
Metroid
Other M
C tier
Metroid Prime Hunters
Metroid Prime Pinball
I'm not a huge fan of pinball games in general, and I pretty much only liked multiplayer in Hunters. Metroid 1 feels hampered by the lack ability to shoot where you want. 2 feels somewhat dated as well. Areas in 2 feel sort of same-y, but it works for the game. Fusion has some big flaws, but is also hugely successful in some of what it tries to accomplish. I consider Prime 1 and 2 and Zero Mission all about equal.
The slightly better scenario wasgetting all the newcomes plus ICs and Wolf.
The two little lists there were both the worst case scenarios.
Beelzebufo
Banned
Ah, gotcha. That makes more sense. I'd love to see both, but there's still not a compelling reason to believe the DHD leak.
Finale Fireworker
Member
Hey, this guy made a mistake and we should forgive him together as a family. He is probably actually really cool and doesn't make big generalizations based on his opinions. I think we should give him a hug and maybe also one high-five so he knows things are cool.
Ice Climbers getting cut is the biggest thing with all these new leaks and rumors that I don't understand. That would be such an off-the-wall cut that would be unprecedented and make a lot of people really sad.
I think somewhere it's stated that they're going extinct, and he's possibly the last of his kind; I'm assuming it's like the dinosaurs and they burned through their resources.
Also, multi-quoting is a pain on PhoneGAF, but I'm so down for a 1 on 1 Samus Vs. Ridley game. Have it feel like Alien, maybe? Either that or do a Fusion sequel where Samus & Ridley are both
fugitives, for a crime he didn't commit inRidley's case, Samus' being based on Fusion's ending
And to the unimportant argument, he's sure as hell not Bowser-tier, but the eShop DID do a "villain week" spotlight once, and the categories were only Bowser, Ganon, Ridley, and Wario; Wolf wasn't even on there, and it was the piggish Ganon, not the manly Dorf. Why did Ridley get his own selection of 4 games? Lack of other games on the eShop? Coincidence? Confirmation? YOU DECIDE!
WiiRevolution1
Member
It seems like noone is really getting it.
Its not Bowser Jr thats playable, its the Koopa Car with either Bowser Jr, or any of the Koopalings. It seems to me that the Koopalings aren't alts, since they are DIFFERENT PEOPLE, but all share the same slot regardless because being in the Clown Car, with the shield over it, would make them all have the same hitboxes. The name of the slot itself would probably be "Koopa Kids" or something.
That alone makes me believe the leak. I don't think noone has thought about it, yet it makes perfect sense. Also Nintendo has been promoting the Koopalings alot more in recent years leading them to be the main newcomers in MK8. In retropect, atleast imo, there is absolutely no way that the Koopalings aren't playable when I see just how they've been promoting them and how iconic they are. I honesly would be shocked if the leak was wrong, but as always we shall wait and see.
Nintendojitsu
Banned
Animated Mario fan trailer for Smash Bros. 4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hiJVYAS_Ng
The thing is, it isn't a claim the leaker(s) make it's just that they didn't see ICs on the CSS (Character Select Screen) when he/she played build #4805982940100. The 'source' then interprets that as them being cut, just like anyone else would but that doesn't actually mean they are cut.
This is the thing people keep missing. They're merely absent, not cut until proven otherwise.
WiiRevolution1
Member
The IC being cut can either be technical reasons, or like ChronoBound said, because all of the potential real leakers have differnt builds with different characters.
That's a nice little summary of the leaks so far. But what I really took from this is that things are looking pretty dang good for Shulk. This makes me happy.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Speaking of Wolf
Why was he in Brawl?
I don't mind him at all, I think he's a nice character.
But...
1. He wasn't "easy" to add. He's not really a clone, and shares no animations with Fox.
2. He's not really that important in his own series, more like a pest than anything
3. Star Fox isn't really that big of a series to get 3 characters.
You wonder why the resources used on Wolf didn't go to bringing Mewtwo back, or finishing Dixie, or any other things that could have happened...
The pros I see:
1. He's a villain, and Smash needs all the villains it can get... but again, Mewtwo could have fit the same niche
2. He's another unique character. But any multitudes of characters would have worked here.
I don't know, just thinking out loud. Again, I want to see Wolf back, but he just seems so weird in the roster when you think about it.
Why was he in Brawl?
I don't mind him at all, I think he's a nice character.
But...
1. He wasn't "easy" to add. He's not really a clone, and shares no animations with Fox.
2. He's not really that important in his own series, more like a pest than anything
3. Star Fox isn't really that big of a series to get 3 characters.
You wonder why the resources used on Wolf didn't go to bringing Mewtwo back, or finishing Dixie, or any other things that could have happened...
The pros I see:
1. He's a villain, and Smash needs all the villains it can get... but again, Mewtwo could have fit the same niche
2. He's another unique character. But any multitudes of characters would have worked here.
I don't know, just thinking out loud. Again, I want to see Wolf back, but he just seems so weird in the roster when you think about it.
I literally read a fanfic exactly like this.
PadWarrior
Member
People still saying that rumor is legit? Ugh...
JavelinRobin
Banned
So, maybe I'm off base here, but I don't understand the fervor behind Shulk. At all. Like, at ALL. A dude from a single game? A dude with a sword? A dude with ridiculous, Nomura-esque design?
And also (this is perhaps the more grounded point of my post, ha), besides the guest characters, has there ever been a Nintendo involved character that wasn't, you know, created by Nintendo? It just seems like a weird, weird choice to me.
Monolithsoft is a Nintendo owned studio, so Shulk was made by Nintendo.
It would be the same as saying Marth wasn't made by Nintendo because he was made by Intellegent Systems.
I'm not too keen on getting Shulk myself, but he at least makes a little sense because it's a recent game and the franchise is continuing on the Wii U. Nintendo has been promoting Xenoblade Chronicles X pretty heavily in their directs, so pushing shulk/xenoblade in smash might help that game out a bit.
... Seriously? I was 4/5-joking when I wrote that (The 1/5 was me realizing it could be stupid-cool)...
Gotta love fanfics, right?
Beelzebufo
Banned
Diddy Kong? Xenoblade is a Nintendo game.
Also, that Samus Ridley team up sounds good, but only if Ridley spends most of his time in Little Birdy mode so that he doesn't scare Samus.
Pokemon and FE are not directly created by Nintendo
The idea is so outlandish yet at the same time a perfect way of adding all the Koopa Kids in as reps as well as having a unique visual style makes me think that it could be true, or maybe that's just hope.
I mean, they are getting pushed a lot more lately, they're all classic characters as well, it would be a great addition.
balladofwindfishes
Member
All of the Pokemon, Fire Emblem, Mother and Kirby characters, Diddy Kong,
Probably more
There's a ton of characters just as removed from Nintendo as Shulk
I have to agree. Wolf's inclusion is so odd to me, yet I'm okay with it because he's really fun.
Diddy was created by Rare and Pokemon and Fire Emblem both are second-party, or, Sakurai had to get permission to use their characters.
Roughly the size of earth. A lot of dinosaurs were considerably bigger than ridley's biggest incarnation.
2. Sakurai finalized the roster in July 2005 -- a handful of months after the release of Assault, in which Wolf was playable and had a large role in the story, and during the development of Command, where Wolf was also prominent.
3. Star Fox is much bigger than Mother (11 million vs. 1.6 million), which has 2 characters. The size/importance of a series doesn't really have a direct impact on the roster.
Haha yup iirc it's like the first or second thing popping up if you Google Metroid Fanfic.
The only part that's difficult to picture about the Clown Car is how it'd be balanced when it's always flying. I suppose it could be made to hover close to the ground. It's not as natural as, say, MODOK in MvC3, because Smash is a game of sumo, and so the ability to hover indefinitely could give a character an unfair advantage. But I'm sure Sakurai could make it work if he really wanted.
Otherwise, it's fairly simple -- the Koopa Clown Car would be the fighter, with its boxing gloves and propeller and Bullet Bills and Bob-ombs and Mecha-Koopas and Big Steelies. The pilot would be Bowser Jr. or any of the Koopalings as alts. It'd probably be called "Koopa Clown Car" on the select screen and website, but the announcer would say the name of whichever Koopa you chose to pilot it (similar to announcing the individual Pokémon in Pokémon Trainer's group when you won in Brawl). Since the fighter is the car itself, it'd have one set of hit-boxes no matter who is flying it.
It's one rumor I'd really like to be true. There's really no reason to think it is true, though.
The idea is 100% crazy, but that's kinda what makes it believeable. Why would anyone guess something that ridiculous?
I don't see how the Koopa Clown car thing would work in Smash though. I mean, it can fly? It can't really land on the ground... how do you kill it/make a moveset? Maybe it isn't a character per normal.
(Note: I still don't think the leak is legit.)
JavelinRobin
Banned
So... all those points about Diddy and Marth and the Pokemon you guys made in response to my lil' Shulk rant?
Yep, didn't even think of that. That shut down that part of my argument REALLY quickly. Thanks.
Yep, didn't even think of that. That shut down that part of my argument REALLY quickly. Thanks.
InvincibleAgent
Member
I'll be the last to deny some 'Tale to Mr. McCloud...
Really? Do you actually need to write so much? But hey, if it's detailed and covers enough, then sure.
I need to see part 1 soon though.
I just wrote everything on my mind that I remembered
if I remembered it it must be important
or something
It's more impactful when they're all listed out:
Kirby
Pikachu
Ness
Jigglypuff
Mewtwo
Marth
Pichu
Roy
Meta Knight
Lucas
Diddy Kong
Charizard
Squirtle
Ivysaur
King Dedede
Lucario
Ike
Greninja
Robin
Lucina
That's a lot of second-party characters.
Beelzebufo
Banned
But Earth didn't support the dinosaurs.
From this picture alone, I really can't see it.
This makes it a bit more imaginable. I'm sure Sakurai could make it work if he wanted to, though I don't really think I'd like it that much if he did.
I just want more Mother characters.
Exotoro
Member
boy you gonna eat a ton of crow
balladofwindfishes
Member
The Clown Car would work fine just hovering slightly over the ground. I don't think that's a huge technical problem.
Is Diddy second party? I know Rare made him, but I think Nintendo fully owns him.
I actually suggested the Koopa Kids in the Clown Car at one point, but it was an idea I suggested for a Nintendo vs. Capcom, inspired in part by MODOK from MvC3. So the idea has been out there before on the Internet.
For Smash, the idea of Koopaling alts has been around for a while, it's just usually been tied to ground-based non-vehicle fighters who'd spin around in their shells and use their magic wands. Essentially, the previous idea was they'd be alts that vary in weight class, falling speed, etc. So one move-set but variable properties depending on the character selected.
Long story short, people have been thinking about the Koopalings/Bowser Jr. in Smash and other fighting games for awhile.
I do hope this rumor is real, though.
It did for 160 million years.
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