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Super Smash Bros. Melee - C-stick?

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CajoleJuice

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Ok, back before we went away to college this year, I was the undeniable champ among my friends in SSBM. I never used the c-stick. I think some of my friends did.

Now, one of my best friends bought SSBM on eBay for the cheap and has been playing a ridiculous amount. He says he's going to kick my ass when we go home for Thanksgiving break. I asked him if he uses the c-stick. He does. I say that's pussy bullshit. Another one of my friends who has had it for a while too agrees. It's just too cheap.

What does GAF think?
 
Not really, using the C-Stick weakens the smash, and once you see his pattern its very easy to counter. Should be easy to beat him
 
I used C-Stick for aerial hits and throw items, it´s simply much more accurate and fast. Back air hits are impossible without using it, and I mean, and not changing the direction of your jump. So, yay, C-Stick is very useful.
 
It's easy to view using it as cheap. Really, it just depends on when you use it/how you use it to determine whether it's being used in a cheap fashion. I mean, if it's ALL you use and you abuse it, that's one thing, but there are other sides to this story.
 
There's no such thing as "cheap" in a fighting game. Broken... but not cheap, and C-stick to my knowledge (haven't been a Smash player in forever) is neither broken or cheap.
 
My view leans more on the "cheap" side... though I have noticed people that frequently use it generally aren't very skilled players.
 
Smash World Forums said:
C-stick: The C-stick can be used to buffer attacks. Tapping A and c-sticking will make the smash come out at the exact same frame as the jab ends. Hitting the C-stick after L-cancelling will make you dodge/rolll on the very first possible frame. C-sticking after crouchcancelling an attack will do this too (unless the attack has multiple hits, then you have to do it after the very last hit). I'm not sure, but I think you can buffer rolls and dodges when shieldhitstunned.
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The C-stick is very important in timing and you will see it a lot in tournament play.
 
Actually, it can be a slight difference maker in high level competition. I forget what the technique is called, but basically if you press down while you're running, you immediately stop and duck instead of the normal slowing down period. Since you're at a stop, you can then use the C-stick really quickly to immediately launch from a duck into a smash attack (with the timing of pressing the C-stick being quicker than moving the control stick back into the direction you want for the smash). Basically, it's a way of performing running forward smashes. Try it some time.
 
In case you guys didn't notice, we aren't talking about super-amazing high-level tourny world champ-style play, here. We're talking about some guys sitting around, chillin, playing some melee.

In which case yes, it IS indeed the bitch stick.
 
GDJustin said:
In case you guys didn't notice, we aren't talking about super-amazing high-level tourny world champ-style play, here. We're talking about some guys sitting around, chillin, playing some melee.

In which case yes, it IS indeed the bitch stick.
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We already established that :lol
 
I mastered both the C-stick and manually hit sticking. Depends on what situation I was in.
If my opponent was at the edge of the stage trying to make it back I would charge up my hit stick to a powerfully timed attack. Otherwise it was good for making a power hit real quick with the "bitch stick"

Also Falco owns all.
 
Wait, the C-stick does stuff in SSBM? Where have I been?

I guess that's what I get for owning a Gamecube since its first Christmas on the shelves and yet never owning SSBM.
 
Yeah out of all the people I play SSB:M with only my sister uses the C stick. She's a C stick warrior...And almost always comes in 4th.
 
Jiggy37 said:
Actually, it can be a slight difference maker in high level competition. I forget what the technique is called, but basically if you press down while you're running, you immediately stop and duck instead of the normal slowing down period. Since you're at a stop, you can then use the C-stick really quickly to immediately launch from a duck into a smash attack (with the timing of pressing the C-stick being quicker than moving the control stick back into the direction you want for the smash). Basically, it's a way of performing running forward smashes. Try it some time.
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The crouching you speak of is refered to as Crouch Canceling, whereas adding the C-Stick smash makes it a Wavesmash, I believe. But yes, C-Stick is not frowned upon, but actually encouraged by top-level "profesional" players.

Scorw said:
i should get this game
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Yes, you should :)
 
Keru_Shiri said:
The crouching you speak of is refered to as Crouch Canceling, whereas adding the C-Stick smash makes it a Wavesmash, I believe. But yes, C-Stick is not frowned upon, but actually encouraged by top-level "profesional" players.
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Why would you call running -> crouch -> C-stick smash a wavesmash? There's no wavedashing involved there. Am I missing something?
 
miyuru said:
Why would you call running -> crouch -> C-stick smash a wavesmash? There's no wavedashing involved there. Am I missing something?
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You're correct, i've got my terms mixed up. What I refered to earlier as a Crouch Cancel is actually a Dash Cancel. The move I reffered to as a Wavesmash is actually just a running smash. A Wavesmash would indeed have the Wavedash before the smash instead of the Dash Cancel.
 
I won a tournament or two at my independent game store and the rest of the times, I place within the top three. I faced opponents quite a few opponents that used the c-stick to execute most of their smashes, and they were worse players for it.

I never once used the c-stick, because I had better control over the smashes when I used the control stick + A. I could execute it just as quickly as the c-stick and if I needed to, I could charge the smash. I found little to no use to execute a smash with the c-stick.

I could care less if my opponents used it, I would beat them regardless.
 
I kinda disliked the C-stick, but never thought it was cheap or anything most of my friends use them, i never used it though the A button is more effectie hence you can time it.


Also Fox owns all.
 
c-stick is not an advantage. It's a weaker hit and takes his thumb away from the other buttons so it takes longer to transition from smash move to special.
 
I use it sometimes, only because I've never quite gotten down hitting A and a direction at the exact same time... Maybe it's my controller, but it only works half the time.
 
C-stick is balanced just fine.
My friend and I are about the same in Melee, but he uses A and I use C.
If I switch to A then he always wins. If he switches to C then I always win.

Any game where somebody can be "cheap" is an unbalanced game.
 
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