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Supreme Court to Hear if FCC's Indecency Policy is Unconstitutional

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...tv-indecency/2012/01/03/gIQANAEujP_story.html

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LOS ANGELES — Researchers at the Parents Television Council have helpful drop-down menus on their computers loaded with just about every profanity and dirty slang term imaginable.

They are handy shortcuts — there are additional ones for violent and sexual content — as the nonprofit group’s headphone-wearing analysts monitor every network prime-time entertainment broadcast for offensive language, bleeped profanity, flashes of nudity, threesomes and gore.

The council documents the increasing coarseness of television broadcasts to rate shows and pressure advertisers and provides a one-click process for supporters to file a complaint with the Federal Communications Commission. More than 1.4 million complaints are pending.

But the Supreme Court is set to hear arguments Tuesday about whether the FCC should still have a role in policing the nation’s airwaves or whether its indecency regulations violate guarantees of free speech and due process.

The Supreme Court ruled 5 to 4 in 2009 that the agency was within its rights as a matter of administrative law to change its policy to protect the public against what Justice Antonin Scalia called “foul-mouthed glitteratae from Hollywood.”

But justices sent the case back to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit in New York to determine whether there were constitutional problems with the agency’s actions.

That court agreed that there were. It said the agency’s context-heavy determinations about indecency mean that broadcasters “are left to guess” when profanity and nudity might be deemed appropriate or punishable.

For example, the FCC allowed the profanity in an ABC broadcast of the movie “Saving Private Ryan” but disallowed some of the same words in a PBS documentary on blues singers.


So the Fox profanity cases are back at the Supreme Court, along with ABC’s challenge of an FCC decision that a seven-second camera pan of an actress’s bare buttocks in a 2003 episode of “NYPD Blue” violated the indecency standards. That resulted in a $1.2 million fine for 40 ABC affiliates that aired the show (including a Texas station owned by a subsidiary of The Washington Post Co.).

The court’s deliberations this time will focus on whether the FCC’s indecency regulations violate the First Amendment and the Fifth Amendment’s guarantee of due process.

In the 2009 case, Justice Clarence Thomas voted with the majority but said the court should reexamine the Pacifica decision. “Traditional broadcast television and radio are no longer the ‘uniquely pervasive’ media forms they once were,” he wrote.

And Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, in dissent, said that when the court considers constitutional questions, “we should be mindful that words unpalatable to some may be commonplace for others.”


In their briefs, the networks say worries about what they will show if the FCC’s regulations are struck down are overblown. They are free to show whatever they want after 10 p.m., and it is not comparable with what is on cable, they say.

Winter said the networks “know they would not win in the court of public opinion,” but he is not as confident about the high court.

“The amount of content that used to be considered too much for broadcast is now ubiquitous,” he said. “They are editing into shows the harshest profanities with bleeps. What will happen is that those bleeps will go away.”

This court is has a pretty firm view of free speech (See Citzens United and the WBC cases) so I think they might actually overturn this.

It was really weird going over to Europe where TV is a lot more free when it comes to sex and language (aceptence of violence seems to be less uniform throught the continent). I don't know what this would actually mean and if we would hear the the 7 words in primetime.
 

ivysaur12

Banned
That would be weird... and unbelievable. It would actually solve a ton of issues with broadcast syndication of cable shows and film. And this court has a very broad view on free speech (almost too broad, like Citizens United). It would also would allow for much more realistic content on the air without the stupid fines.

Next up, loosening up on sexoness and nudity on TV.
 

Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...tv-indecency/2012/01/03/gIQANAEujP_story.html

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This court is has a pretty firm view of free speech (See Citzens United and the WBC cases) so I think they might actually overturn this.

It was really weird going over to Europe where TV is a lot more free when it comes to sex and language (aceptence of violence seems to be less uniform throught the continent). I don't know what this would actually mean and if we would hear the the 7 words in primetime.

If it were deemed unconstitutional, broadcast would just be the same as cable, except they're trying to reach an even broader audience. Basically, they're air what they think audiences and advertisers will tolerate.

It's not suddenly going turn into a place where everyone is cursing. The shows still need to get ratings and have advertisers who want to associate with the material. There'd probably be limited changes.
 
If it were deemed unconstitutional, broadcast would just be the same as cable, except they're trying to reach an even broader audience. Basically, they're air what they think audiences and advertisers will tolerate.

It's not suddenly going turn into a place where everyone is cursing. The shows still need to get ratings and have advertisers who want to associate with the material. There'd probably be limited changes.

I understand that. But cable gets away with a lot of things that NBC, ABC and CBS can't do. Imagen a Mad Men or Breaking Bad type show (they'd still probably be a bit tamer) that could comand a real primetime budget.
Next up, loosening up on sexoness and nudity on TV.
That would fall under this I believe.

Also does this affect radio?
 

Guevara

Member
If the FCC doesn't regulated them, their advertisers basically will. Don't expect nip in any show sponsored by Johnson & Johnson or Walmart.
 

ivysaur12

Banned
I understand that. But cable gets away with a lot of things that NBC, ABC and CBS can't do. Imagen a Mad Men or Breaking Bad type show (they'd still probably be a bit tamer) that could comand a real primetime budget.

It would be a dream, but you'd have to have the right advertisers. Luckily, there are plenty of advertisers on cable would be willing to pay for a broader audience.

If the FCC doesn't regulated them, their advertisers basically will. Don't expect nip in any show sponsored by Johnson & Johnson or Walmart.

There are plenty of shows that make significant advertising revenue without Walmart sponsorship.
 

esquire

Has waited diligently to think of something to say before making this post
“foul-mouthed glitteratae from Hollywood.”

Fuck you Scalia. Don't broadcasters and advertisers have the ultimate say in this anyway? I guess I'm not seeing the usefulness of the FCC being allowed to mandate what is and isn't okay to broadcast on TV in the grand scheme of things.
 

Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
I understand that. But cable gets away with a lot of things that NBC, ABC and CBS can't do. Imagen a Mad Men or Breaking Bad type show (they'd still probably be a bit tamer) that could comand a real primetime budget.

They could only command a primetime budget if they could command a primetime audience, which is entirely unproven.
 
I think the biggest problem, at least with the current rule, is that the broadcasters don't know what they can't do. There is no list of what is subject to a fine. The SPR was fine but bono's f-bomb cost them a few thousand.

They have to just gamble and hope no one finds out. Though that creepy PTC set-up looks like it'd probably find it.

Fuck you Scalia. Don't broadcasters and advertisers have the ultimate say in this anyway? I guess I'm not seeing the usefulness of the FCC being allowed to mandate what is and isn't okay to broadcast on TV in the grand scheme of things.

The original legality is that it doesn't infringe on free speech because they are licencing the government's airwaves. At least that's how I think it went.


They could only command a primetime budget if they could command a primetime audience, which is entirely unproven.

Nobody has been able to try.
 

Ether_Snake

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You never see tits on American TV. I remember as a kid there was an all-Italian TV channel and I'd often see breasts in some old Italian series.

To think there were MORE nudity in 1970s/1980s productions is mind boggling. Nudity becomes more taboo with time, yet it's presence is actually greater than ever, just hidden away.

It's like a plot to make people lust at nudity more than if it wasn't so stupidly taboo. To make people into consumers of porn. Nudity has been turned into a commodity, by making a big deal out of it.
 
You never see tits on American TV. I remember as a kid there was an all-Italian TV channel and I'd often see breasts in some old Italian series.

To think there were MORE nudity in 1970s/1980s productions is mind boggling. Nudity becomes more taboo with time, yet it's presence is actually greater than ever, just hidden away.

It's like a plot to make people lust at nudity more than if it wasn't so stupidly taboo. To make people into consumers of porn. Nudity has been turned into a commodity, by making a big deal out of it.
I don't think nudity has become more taboo I think its that people are trying to broaden their base. People have the internet they don't need breasts as much in movies anymore.

Thought it does seem there's more penis than ever. Hangover 2, Game of thrones, Forgetting Sarah Marshall, etc
 
Call me naive but I think the concept is just stupid. Now more than ever before.

We live in an age where anybody can just log onto Google and type whatever they want in the search bar and that's what appears.

Good parenting should be the overseer of what the child can indulge on air.
 
Call me naive but I think the concept is just stupid. Now more than ever before.

We live in an age where anybody can just log onto Google and type whatever they want in the search bar and that's what appears.

I think that's what Clarence is saying here

In the 2009 case, Justice Clarence Thomas voted with the majority but said the court should reexamine the Pacifica decision. “Traditional broadcast television and radio are no longer the ‘uniquely pervasive’ media forms they once were,” he wrote.

I think what the reasoning was back in the 70s was that putting this stuff on TV was akin to forcing it infront of you. Giving you no place to hide. There was no Cable, Internet, DVD, VHS, Blu Rays, Ipods when the first case was decided it was a diferent mind set.
 

BlueTsunami

there is joy in sucking dick
fox is going to gradually become a hardcore porn channel and nobody will notice.

If it features Patti Ann Browne... I'm so in

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