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Dilbert

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Kobun Heat said:
And even if we take what he says to be true, we have to wonder why, now, he's proud of that; why his personal role in what he considers to be a great, barbaric atrocity is the focus of his campaign.
It's not the focus of HIS campaign -- it's the focus forced upon him by his enemies, because they don't want to talk about the last four years of Bush and his band of merry liars.

It's fucking ridiculous that Kerry -- a man who has served with distinction in ACTUAL COMBAT -- has to endlessly discuss his qualifications to be Commander-in-Chief over a man who stood on the deck of an aircraft carrier, declared an end to "major combat operations" (as if he knew what the fuck he was talking about), and was wrong to the tune of nearly a thousand American deaths since that point.

What the hell did Bush learn running the Texas Rangers that made HIM qualified to be CINC?
 

Dilbert

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KingV said:
What's really sad is that the current presidential race has degenerated into a series of personal attack from both sides, with neither side a clearly "good" choice.
Kerry, on the other hand, comes across as one the slimiest politicians I've ever seen. I find the man personally despicable.
Way to go! That's the kind of rational approach to politics which is going to help us overcome those "sad personal attacks."
 
-jinx- said:
It's not the focus of HIS campaign -- it's the focus forced upon him by his enemies, because they don't want to talk about the last four years of Bush and his band of merry liars.
Are you kidding? The Bush campaign would rather the word Vietnam never, ever have been mentioned. Any way you slice it it wasn't politically advantageous for them, because the Democratic candidate went to war and theirs didn't. That goes in the minus column for Bush even if he was in the National Guard - it just doesn't even out in people's minds.

The Kerry camp knew that this was a surefire win for them, so it was, yes, the focus of Kerry's case for the presidency. Did you watch the acceptance speech? He should be president because he was in war, and only someone who has been in war can run a war.

Meanwhile, if you want to hear about what really matters - thirty years in the Senate - you'll have to wait for the RNC.
 

Lord Error

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SBVFT are also pissed that he allied himself with Jane Fonda..."Hanoi Jane." Do you even know what she did to the P.O.W. in her visit to the Hanoi prison camp?
This sounds interesting! What did she do?
 

Hitokage

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Uh, perhaps many of you are forgetting that the reason vietnam was brought up in the first place is 5 words: "democrats are weak on defense".
 

HAOHMARU

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Marconelly said:
This sounds interesting! What did she do?
Before she was known as "Hanoi Jane":
In a speech to Duke University students in 1970, Fonda told the gathering, "If you understood what Communism was, you would hope and pray on your knees that we would someday become Communist."
Stuff during her visit to Northern Vietnam:
Jane Fonda, traveled to North Vietnam in 1972 where she visited that country's anti aircraft emplacements. Fonda cheered the spirits of communists gunners by wearing a gunners steel helmet and peeping thru the gunsight, "looking for one of those blue eyed murderers."

At a time when 50,000 U.S. servicemen had already died on the battlefields of Vietnam, Fonda sided with the communists, making radio broadcasts from Hanoi designed to break the morale of U.S. fighting forces while encouraging the North Vietnamese to fight harder and kill more Americans. Fonda's Hanoi radio broadcasts and propaganda films were especially painful and damaging to American servicemen held as prisoners of war by the Hanoi Reds. Communist interrogators used the Fonda recordings, along with starvation and torture in attempting to brainwash American POWs into becoming turncoats.
Upon returning to the United States, Fonda told the world press that U.S. prisoners of war were being well treated and not tortured. Her outrageous claims were later exposed when American POWs were finally freed and told of years of agonizing tortures and inhuman treatment. Fonda responded, not with an apology, but with an accusation calling our returned POWs "liars and hypocrites." Fonda's actions stirred up a firestorm in America, prompting nationwide demands that she be tried for treason.

In late January, 1973, Fonda divorced her husband and three days later married pro-communist radical leader Tom Hayden, who had founded the revolutionary Students For Democratic Society in 1962 and was a defendant in the conspiracy trial of the "Chicago Seven."

In 1975, after North Vietnam violated the 1973 "Peace Agreement" resulting in the takeover of South Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos, Hayden greeted the news by saying "I see this as a result of something we have been working toward for a long time."

Some pics of her with North Vietnamese at an anti-aircraft gun mount in 1972.
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Some P.O.W.s gave her little pieces of paper with the social security numbers of those still in the camp. She got up to leave after talking to them and handed all of them over to one of the prison officials. The guards commenced beating the living shit out of the P.O.W.s I've heard that from a panel of P.O.W.s that had a forum. The only name I remember was John Stockdale though.

Now the self pro-claimed Communist is married to Ted Turner...one of the richest men in America. (Edit: Looks like they got divorced recently...)
 

MaddenNFL64

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Shouldn't you conservatives hate Japan? They bombed Pearl Harbor & killed thousands of U.S soldiers. They're also a very liberal country.

They are the evil empire! BE AFRAID.
 

Dilbert

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HAOHMARU said:
Now the self pro-claimed Communist is married to Ted Turner...one of the richest men in America. (Edit: Looks like they got divorced recently...)
Recently? As in May 2001?
 

Dilbert

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Y'know, I will make one comment regarding communism. Most people who throw that word around don't know SHIT about what it means. There is a world of difference between communism as political/economic philosophy, and communism as implemented in the real world. I don't know why -- even now! -- communism is one of those "dirty words" that people can't hear without flipping out.
 

MaddenNFL64

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I don't get why people still jump in fright of the word communism. It's idealogy of equality in all things isn't evil. It just wouldn't work.

Society can't work without classes. If everyone were equal, no one would have a reason to want to work hard, since there is no "upper class" to work towards. Also equal pay for anyone is just asking for anarchy. A doctor being paid the same wages as a grocery clerk? Why should the doctor go through so much training & study when he can go work at Safeway? And since all of this needs a real leader, someone who can actually deliver all of this down to the people, and doesn't just get power hungry & keep it all to himself... well we all know how that went throughout history.
 

maharg

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MaddenNFL64 said:
Why should the doctor go through so much training & study when he can go work at Safeway?

I think you are generally oversimplifying, though this is a popular position. But rather than try and defend something I don't feel entirely confident about my level of understanding on myself, I'll simply nitpick this one statement.

How is training and study a worse fate than Safeway if it doesn't cost any money?
 
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