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[T-Pain's Twitter] Number of streams an artists needs to make $1, by platform
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Cyberpunkd
Member
Meaningless metric since it doesn’t give info on user base of each.
*Nightwing
Banned
Anyone with Twitter care to reply:
Making $35k per show? Cry me a river T-Pain
Making $35k per show? Cry me a river T-Pain
How Much Does A Major Act Get For Playing A Concert? [Price List]
How much do major touring acts get paid to pay a concert? This "price list" has been making the rounds for more than a month. As the founder of national booking. Continue reading
www.hypebot.com
Bernd Lauert
Banned
I personally know a rapper who's semi-popular here in Germany. He has around 500k streams a month on Spotify. He can't live off it obviously, but it's a decent side income. Especially since concerts (his main source of income previously) haven't been much of a thing during covid.
HoodWinked
Member
people stream videogames and don't give a dime to developers other than the cost of the game and in some cases get paid to stream the game. music on streaming services is basically advertising for the artist. Use that clout to actually make money from merch, ad deals, sponsorships, concerts etc.
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
Yep! This is largely how I choose to support artists I love. First choice is vinyl. Second, digital off of Bandcamp.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
The platforms build the infrastructure and features to make the content easily accessible; the teams employed to build these systems are composed of hundreds of individuals. Want to hog all of the revenue? Then build your own music delivery service my dude.
How is it a ripoff? Do we know how much YouTube makes for each stream?
For example, let's assume an individual with a monthly subscription to Youtube Music listens an average of 300 hours worth of music a month and only listens to T Pain. Assuming each stream is 2 minutes long, the individual listens to 9000 T-Pain songs in a month. If T-Pain makes one dollar every 1250 streams, that means he is getting a $7.20 cut out of the monthly $11.99 subscription, over half the revenue.
How is it a ripoff? Do we know how much YouTube makes for each stream?
For example, let's assume an individual with a monthly subscription to Youtube Music listens an average of 300 hours worth of music a month and only listens to T Pain. Assuming each stream is 2 minutes long, the individual listens to 9000 T-Pain songs in a month. If T-Pain makes one dollar every 1250 streams, that means he is getting a $7.20 cut out of the monthly $11.99 subscription, over half the revenue.
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MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
So what he's trying to say is that major music artists are making shit ton of money? I feel his pain.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
YouTube 
That company is raking everyone. Especially considering you can get most music on there for free while their ads are atrocious, sometimes mid song even.
But it has always been a thing, where you make your money on touring and merch. Music is much more accessible now, where in the past if it wasn't raw record label deals for the reason you needed tours and merch, and even if you did what Aerosmith, Metallica and the like did with creating their own labels or working deals for sole ownership of your works, it was the dawn of the internet with file sharing.
That company is raking everyone. Especially considering you can get most music on there for free while their ads are atrocious, sometimes mid song even.
But it has always been a thing, where you make your money on touring and merch. Music is much more accessible now, where in the past if it wasn't raw record label deals for the reason you needed tours and merch, and even if you did what Aerosmith, Metallica and the like did with creating their own labels or working deals for sole ownership of your works, it was the dawn of the internet with file sharing.
Pegasus Actual
Gold Member
He lives inside an N64 game?Meanwhile, T-Pain lives here.
DarkestHour
Banned
This is why artists sell merch and do shows to get money. It's always been this way really. I would argue that streaming has made it easier for artists to get known now as there is less reliance on the radio or having to by chance purchase an album at the record store. Back in my day...
strange headache
Banned
Poor T-Pain, must be hard living in such dire poverty-stricken conditions. Only half a dozen luxury cars? How can he even cope?
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Shizumapower
Member
Anyone with Twitter care to reply:
Making $35k per show? Cry me a river T-Pain
How Much Does A Major Act Get For Playing A Concert? [Price List]
How much do major touring acts get paid to pay a concert? This "price list" has been making the rounds for more than a month. As the founder of national booking. Continue readingwww.hypebot.com
Allforce
Member
Oh look, a description of hell on Earth.
Cockles & Whelks
Banned
Guys gotta afford a boat.
Con_Z_ǝdʇ
Live from NeoGAF, it's Friday Night!
A small producer, singer or songwriter has a hard time to make a living from this kind of lifestyle. Especially in times where a pandemic restricts their lives and puts their existence on the edge. I'm talking about niche music across the board and not some semi famous artist that can happily make a living without a streaming service.
They way these services are set up makes it impossible for small artists to survive through the sheer amount of streams. And in times where streaming tends to get bigger and bigger through the convenience of use alone it sure has a major negative impact on those individuals.
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Con_Z_ǝdʇ
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A Tale Of Two Ecosystems: On Bandcamp, Spotify And The Wide-Open Future
There's Bandcamp, beloved by artists. There's Spotify, very well-liked by listeners. And then there's that big question mark. The artist Damon Krukowski takes a look.
www.npr.org
Stop Motion Pornography
Member
Don't artists make pennies on the dollar for album sales, as well?
I think the money has always been in live shows, not in selling recordings/ getting streams.
Con_Z_ǝdʇ
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Correct.
But what if you are unable to perform live because of a global pandemic? Maybe you are lucky and already made millions or at least enough to sustain a live without an income for a month or a year. These platforms are tailored to not support the artist the slightest. At least 50% of the revenues should be given to the artist because in the end he is responsible for the music. Sadly it has never been this way but with streaming services it is getting worse.
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I support artists on Bandcamp, but this is manipulative political activism by NPR masquerading as a business feature. Random Trump mentions, shaming Spotify for hosting Joe Rogan, “living wage” as if streaming your music on Spotify is a 9-5 job rather than one income stream out of many potential avenues as an artist, etc.A Tale Of Two Ecosystems: On Bandcamp, Spotify And The Wide-Open Future
There's Bandcamp, beloved by artists. There's Spotify, very well-liked by listeners. And then there's that big question mark. The artist Damon Krukowski takes a look.
If Spotify didn’t exist, someone else would’ve made it. The rev share model is competitive with other players and it gives amazing access to new music. Actively supporting artists you like in a meaningful way is not going to happen with a subscription that costs half of an album per month.
Go to concerts, buy merch and albums direct.
T8SC
Gold Member
Anyone with Twitter care to reply:
Making $35k per show? Cry me a river T-Pain
How Much Does A Major Act Get For Playing A Concert? [Price List]
How much do major touring acts get paid to pay a concert? This "price list" has been making the rounds for more than a month. As the founder of national booking. Continue readingwww.hypebot.com
Michelle Branch? Kelis? Sum41?
Who dug up 2004?
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Con_Z_ǝdʇ
Live from NeoGAF, it's Friday Night!
I just posted it to show that there are other ways to support an artist without streaming.
Most of the people i know don't even buy music directly anymore and that is a problem. I'm not able to go to concerts right now and some artists might not even be able to establish merch on their own.
Hoppa
Member
Honestly if it weren’t for the convenience of streaming I would still be acquiring music through…other channels . If I find a good local artist/band I’ll pay for their stuff happily especially live events but otherwise I’m not going to lie and say I give a shit about how much they don’t earn from streaming. I’m certain the pros outweigh the cons, monetarily and even just growing a fan base
. If I find a good local artist/band I’ll pay for their stuff happily especially live events but otherwise I’m not going to lie and say I give a shit about how much they don’t earn from streaming. I’m certain the pros outweigh the cons, monetarily and even just growing a fan base
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
In todays market it’s a lot easier to self-publish. This is a relatively new paradigm though. Exposure can still be an issue.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Meanwhile, T-Pain lives here.
Azzurri
Member
Anyone with Twitter care to reply:
Making $35k per show? Cry me a river T-Pain
How Much Does A Major Act Get For Playing A Concert? [Price List]
How much do major touring acts get paid to pay a concert? This "price list" has been making the rounds for more than a month. As the founder of national booking. Continue readingwww.hypebot.com
Holy Shit John Secada makes that much? He basically had two hit songs in the early 90s.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
It's crazy what you can do when you have cash friend!
Alter_Fridge
Member
Shawteyhee
BigBooper
Member
I'm still a dinosaur buying Cds. I would love to have company offer drm free flac digital files. Would save ripping the CDs.
MrFunSocks
Banned
Even buying albums doesn't really help the artist much. Most of the money goes to the label and the other dozen people/companies between your money and the band. The best way is to buy their merch and go to their shows.
Not much - probably about 15% on average:
If CDs cost £8 where does the money go?
Despite digital’s complete dominance of the singles market, most albums are still bought on CD. The average cost is £8 but where does the money go?
www.bbc.com
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SpongebobSquaredance
Unconfirmed Member
just for shits and giggles I looked up his monthly streams on the three two most prominent platforms (afaik):
Spotify: 10.293.423
Apple Music: ??? (not accessible)
Deezer: 1.727.924
that would mean he makes roughly 43.753 regularly from only two streaming services. That's a nice amount of cash, especially for an artist who hasn't been in the spotlight for like a decade.
Not throwing shade at him, he is a talented guy and he knows how to sing even without autotune (which is I something I can't, at least according to my opinion), but unless I got something wrong here those are crocodile tears. T-Pain is still doing better than most artists. A lot better.
Spotify: 10.293.423
Apple Music: ??? (not accessible)
Deezer: 1.727.924
that would mean he makes roughly 43.753 regularly from only two streaming services. That's a nice amount of cash, especially for an artist who hasn't been in the spotlight for like a decade.
Not throwing shade at him, he is a talented guy and he knows how to sing even without autotune (which is I something I can't, at least according to my opinion), but unless I got something wrong here those are crocodile tears. T-Pain is still doing better than most artists. A lot better.
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SpongebobSquaredance
Unconfirmed Member
on the flip side you will see much more independent artists making it these days with labels becoming less and less a necessity.. at least that's how I see it.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
Need to breathe doing pretty good.Anyone with Twitter care to reply:
Making $35k per show? Cry me a river T-Pain
How Much Does A Major Act Get For Playing A Concert? [Price List]
How much do major touring acts get paid to pay a concert? This "price list" has been making the rounds for more than a month. As the founder of national booking. Continue readingwww.hypebot.com
Con_Z_ǝdʇ
Live from NeoGAF, it's Friday Night!
If you buy physical on Bandcamp no matter vinyl or CD you get pretty much all the digital formats with it and in addition you are able to stream the album. You can also download it whenever and how many times you want.
But i know what you mean.
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Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
With the prices of vinyl these days, I've been tempted to switch to CD. Bandcamp usually offers Wav & FLAC as download options. No DRM either. The musicians even set the price or allow you to name your own. They will recommend new stuff to you too--it's how I discovered a bunch of my favorite bands. It's an awesome website.
Wildebeest
Member
Doesn't mean anything if you get 10 plays on napster and 10 million plays on spotify. But it is known that google got the devils own deal with the music industry which is surprising since it is usually the music industry who have the hotline to Mephistopheles.
Wildebeest
Member
We are living in the future. Artists should be offering 24 bit flac/wav for download for hi-fi listeners instead of CD audio or vinyl. If people want "mp3" they should kindly redirect them to streaming sites. If people want physical art to look at, they should sell art separately.
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
Burning Blade
Member
I can listen to Michelle Branch for free just by entering an elevator or shopping at Lane Bryant.
Pejo
Gold Member
This tweet reminds me of the big marketing push when Tidal was first released as a platform. Completely tone deaf if they think that I give a shit about what a millionaire makes per stream. For the little guys, yes, streaming is an awful avenue for revenue. That's why they're out hustling, doing shows, touring, selling merch. That's the way it's always been. It's not like streaming is robbing these artists of something they had before, it's a new revenue stream.
MacReady13
Member
But streaming is the future we all want...