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[T-Pain's Twitter] Number of streams an artists needs to make $1, by platform
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Big Baller
Al Pachinko, Konami President
Thats why hes going for Twitch-Pain money.
MacReady13
Member
A GIF from Netflix I see!!! But alas, I agree with you. Hence why I wrote what I did.
AV
We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
How am I supposed to find out that I love it?
MacReady13
Member
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Reprated and regular listening where?
Stop Motion Pornography
Member
Ray...Dee...Oh's? Is that one of those old people technologies?
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
The radio that pays 17 cents per 100 plays to 1000's of people and which plays the same 5 artists over and over again?
Con_Z_ǝdʇ
Live from NeoGAF, it's Friday Night!
See for example the post directly above you. In addition most online outlets let you pre listen the music. Bandcamp lets you listen to the whole album repeatedly. Don't pretend that streaming music through the likes of Spotify an co. is the only way to hear new music.
AV
We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
And how do I access the music in the first place?
I'm not old enough that I didn't grow up with cassette tapes, real MTV and eventually a CD Walkman, but something being "the way we used to do things" doesn't make it better. Those things suck, it's the 21st century.
The point is that streaming platforms are a far, far better method of discovering new music legally than anything we've had before. "If you love someone's music, go buy it" is no good without a platform to hear the music first, so your options are:
A. Listen to the radio so you hear the artist's 1/2 singles and nothing else at the discretion of a bad DJ
B. Listen on Youtube/Bandcamp/other free services where artists don't make a dime
C. Pirate the music so the artists don't make a dime
D. Listen on streaming platforms where at least they get something if I don't end up loving them and going further
The lament over paid streaming services is just absurd, it's the best thing to have happened to music (for listeners), period, no matter how much artists might cry about money they were never going to make in the first place. Fans will buy merch and go to your shows if the music is good enough.
Urban
Member
Poor T-Pain, must be hard living in such dire poverty-stricken conditions. Only half a dozen luxury cars? How can he even cope?
he went broke once. There was a interview where he had 40 mio and dropped to 0 and build it up again.
Con_Z_ǝdʇ
Live from NeoGAF, it's Friday Night!
The majority of people who buy into streaming services won't pay additional money to buy an album on physical media or let alone a digital copy. Why would they since they think they already paid for the "music". It is a very convenient way of discovering music and a good thing for consumers, yes. But this is just one side of the coin.
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AV
We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
Sure, but the amount people are willing to spend on music in that way isn't going to change either. In a world where we still had to rely on the radio or other incredibly limiting sources of music, how many CDs a year are those people realistically going to buy anyway? The idea of paying the same amount of money for one artist's CD when that money could fund a month of unlimited access to thousands of other artists just isn't smart or sustainable.
For a long time artists have made the bulk of their cash from merch and tours, that hasn't changed - but now with streaming services, I can listen to all kinds of stuff at the click of a button - which has been possible for a long time, the only difference is at least now they're getting paid something for my clicks rather than me leeching off a P2P client or Youtube. There's no scenario in which it's not better overall for everyone involved.
GeorgPrime
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Tams
Member
Why does it look like someone used a white pen in Paint to erase something to the right of the numbers in those tables?
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
Tams
Member
Because their music alone before I listen to it is next to worthless to me. And even after I've listened to it, it's still next to worthless. Often it's just a distraction or accompaniment; I often don't care who it's by or even what genre it is as long as it isn't bad.
If I didn't have a music streaming subscription (as was the case before streaming was a thing*) I would (and did) just listen to the musicians I like again and again, occasionally adding something from either hearing it on the radio or through word of mouth. Before they were getting absolutely nothing from me. Now they get an miniscule amount, but at least get some exposure and the slightly higher chance I'll buy an album or something from them.
*which I still do when swimming as I don't have access to audio streaming then.
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indigo-cyclops
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As an artist and musician who releases music, it's almost criminal what Streaming platforms pay and get away with paying those that aren't propped up by major labels et al.
Bandcamp is something casual listeners of music will probably never bother with, as an example.
Bandcamp is something casual listeners of music will probably never bother with, as an example.
dr_octagon
Banned
Those fur boots and jeans don't pay for themselves.
teezzy
Banned
yes, the media industries are all evolving. gaming is finally getting there as well - thank god
if artists don't like it they should find other pursuits
lord forbid they had to work a 9 to 5 like the rest of us
Personally i work 8 to 6 and just barely make a modest living
Stfu T-Pain
if artists don't like it they should find other pursuits
lord forbid they had to work a 9 to 5 like the rest of us
Personally i work 8 to 6 and just barely make a modest living
Stfu T-Pain
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SpongebobSquaredance
Unconfirmed Member
well there are artists with crazy work ethics, but I also think that too much "regulations" could lead to music that may be entertaining, but ultimately boring, generic and devoid of artistic integrity. its not like you can just turn on a switch and you make a good music.
Susurrus
Member
Except that's a terrible solution because they play the same 6 "popular" songs over and over. Of course they're popular, that's all you play. Who decides it is popular? Shit is getting released daily from many amazing but lesser known artists, but we're stuck w/ the same limited songs month after month after month. Even when they play a song I enjoy, they play it way too much and I get sick of it long before it goes off the air. And I have a 5-10 minute commute (which is why I don't bother putting my own stuff on, by the time I set it up I'd be almost there) and this STILL happens. Radio is trash.
MrFunSocks
Banned
Yep, streaming is amazing for smaller artists because it actually gets their music out there.
element
Member
It is pretty funny when I would tell people that Napster provided the highest payout rates of all platforms. As well that Napster is actually just Rhapsody, using the Napster brand name after they bought it from Best Buy.
Knowing these rates that why prior to COVID I would attend a lot of show and try to buy some type of merchandise directly from the artist, as that money goes directly to them or helps offset the cost of the tour (which more artists are having to self fund now).
Knowing these rates that why prior to COVID I would attend a lot of show and try to buy some type of merchandise directly from the artist, as that money goes directly to them or helps offset the cost of the tour (which more artists are having to self fund now).
Tams
Member
And? All that says is that they don't value music much at all. And that's fine.
If they've been brought up properly, they'd know that their music streaming subscription is not making the artists much money and they'll buy merch or concert tickets for the artists they like. If they haven't been brought up properly, then there's little hope that they're going to change.
You don't have the right for people to like your music. It's not a right that if you try and be a musician as a career that you must be able to live off it.
ResilientBanana
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You reply to a post regarding your disdain of streaming services with a gif from a streaming service?