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[Hobbestetrician]

In 2008 I really, really, really disliked Sarah Palin and nearly everything about her family. This has only grown since then with their willingness to whore themselves out for any television show to try and remain relevant while making a ton of money.

Despite all that, though, I despise the Romney family several magnitudes more. Romney rails 47% of the country for their perceived entitlement over food and shelter but no one is more entitled than his own family members. Have some fucking respect.

 

[Socreges]

See my previous post that you quoted, in which I posed some questions.

The author says if the roles were reversed that the media would be on fire and the black man talking about punching Mitt Romney would be demonized. He says that the reality of that is an example of white privilege.

If any of my questions are true, then how is what the author says not true?

Because those truths still do not make Tagg's comment an example of "white privilege". There is white privilege in society, in politics, etc. But this isn't an example of it.

Refer back to my previous post for an explanation.

Also your "don't discuss syntax" comments seem awfully confused, as if you don't even know what that means. You told me not to discuss the syntax, so when I asked you what "the point" was, you refer to exactly what I was addressing.

 

[Karakand]

man the day white people aren't the majority in this country its going to be a sight to see. I just hope they end affirmative action just before, for the extra lulz

20XX: In Beijing today the UN leveled comprehensive sanctions on the US for its white minority rule political system.

 

[Wolves Evolve]

The fact that so many people get furious at the idea that they have privilege at all means that this term in powerful in ways we're just beginning to understand. It's like turning a key in a cupboard lock only to have every door on the street swing open.

It's amazing how much has changed since I was a kid. Growing up middle-class and white, I knew I had it better than a lot of people and I saw injustice around me and - this is the craaazzzy part - I didn't get twisted up into an endless guilt system because of it. I grew up recognising there's injustice and I grew up seeking ways to lessen it.

The idea that a lot of these angry white kids now have is that if you recognise injustice, you suddenly have to fall into a lifetime of guilt and debt about it. UGH what about BLACK PRIVILEGE UGH and then UGH what about MISANDRY URGH what about MEEEEEE.

It stems from a lack of empathy. A empathic person sees their situation for what it is and works to lessen any injustices they see around them or that they perpetuate. Nobody's saying give your car to a black guy.

 

[Socreges]

The fact that so many people get furious at the idea that they have privilege at all means that this term in powerful in ways we're just beginning to understand. It's like turning a key in a cupboard lock only to have every door on the street swing open.

It's amazing how much has changed since I was a kid. Growing up middle-class and white, I knew I had it better than a lot of people and I saw injustice around me and - this is the craaazzzy part - I didn't get twisted up into an endless guilt system because of it. I grew up recognising there's injustice and I grew up seeking ways to lessen it.

The idea that a lot of these angry white kids now have is that if you recognise injustice, you suddenly have to fall into a lifetime of guilt and debt about it. UGH what about BLACK PRIVILEGE UGH and then UGH what about MISANDRY URGH what about MEEEEEE.

It stems from a lack of empathy. A empathic person sees their situation for what it is and works to lessen any injustices they see around them or that they perpetuate. Nobody's saying give your car to a black guy.

Who here is saying white privilege doesn't exist? We're talking about the article.

[edit] the post reads like you completely missed Pristine's point. He wasn't saying that it was black privilege. He was using that term to reveal the absurdity of the argument.

 

[Ramblin]

And give your car to a black guy.

Nobody's saying give your car to a black guy.

Actually.

 

[A More Normal Bird]

Holy shit, this thread. My favourite rebuttal of the article is that taking a swing at someone is not the same as violently bludgeoning them. What, if he misses?

From just a cursory understanding of the situation this is probably a combination of rich man/class privilege and white privilege. A poor white trash person making the same comments would probably come under greater scrutiny, but then again a poor white trash person wouldn't be the son of a presidential candidate.

In Australia we have a fairly constant stream of aggressive rhetoric against the female Prime Minister that would never have been seen against a male leader. References to personal appearance, family life, calling her a witch etc... A Limbaugh style radio host said she should be stuffed in a chaffe bag and dropped out at sea.

A football player said on twitter that she should be given a noose for her birthday; I can only imagine the shitstorm that would have taken place if an NFL player said the same about Obama. Hilariously enough the same player later called on the Prime Minister to do something to stop twitter trolling after someone made crude jokes about his recently deceased mother. If that's not a textbook example of blindness towards one's own privileges then I don't know what is.

 

[Platy]

...and you are full of non-sequiturs, and bullshit.

My parents worked all their lives (my dad still works part-time at age 75) and neither of them ever made more than $70k combined. I had to pay my way through college by working the entire time. And I struggle financially every day. If there is some magical "white privilege," I must've missed where the line starts to sign up for my free shit.

White privilege =/= suddenly you are rich because you are white

edit :

Who here is saying white privilege doesn't exist? We're talking about the article.

Actualy some people ... read the thread =P

 

[zaxon]

I don't really understand why there is so much resistance to the idea that race is socially salient and that the actions of white people and black people are received in disparate ways, though.

The problem is with the article, which places most of the emphasis on the comments and the commenter instead of on the broader social implications that the author is trying to represent. The "hypothetical unfair media reaction" is initially presented not as the primary problem that should be addressed, but as support for the argument that Tagg benefited from White Privilege.

In essence, it presented the issue backwards because the (liberal commentator) author was preoccupied with presenting the "other side" in as negative a light as possible. Instead of a discussion on "Is this indicative of a fundamentally unfair media/social environment" we get a debate centered more on whether Tagg Romney is a racist asshole.

 

[NBtoaster]

It's not difficult to see why people find the concept of white privelege annoying or difficult to accept. If someone goes through hardship, and someone says "oh it would have been worse if you were black", you're just being a jerk, belittling what they've been through, even if it might be true.

 

[MWS Natural]

Yes, I'm also happy when racists are honest and out themselves. You're happier when they hide it? I was also happy when the tape leaked of Romney's true feelings about the poor. Wanna crucify me some more for enjoying the honesty?

Fair enough, I agree with this.

man the day white people aren't the majority in this country its going to be a sight to see.

Never. White people will change the way race is counted before they would let that happen...OH WAIT.

 

[Blackace]

I love all the people who get offended by the fact that in America being was and still is advantageous and post how they worked and their parents worked and so on

No shit unless you are a 1 percenter that's not what white privilege means

 

[Zoramon089]

Who here is saying white privilege doesn't exist? We're talking about the article.

[edit] the post reads like you completely missed Pristine's point. He wasn't saying that it was black privilege. He was using that term to reveal the absurdity of the argument.

I suggest you start at the beginning of this thread...and there's been other threads in OT about this. TONS of people say it doesn't exist

 

[Blackace]

It's not difficult to see why people find the concept of white privelege annoying or difficult to accept. If someone goes through hardship, and someone says "oh it would have been worse if you were black", you're just being a jerk, belittling what they've been through, even if it might be true.

Didn't read the whole thread yet but did someone say that? Because that's not the concept of white privilege

 

[Infinite]

Didn't read the whole thread yet but did someone say that? Because that's not the concept of white privilege

I'm sure no one made that argument.

 

[chronos4590]

Never. White people will change the way race is counted before they would let that happen...OH WAIT.

Lol when I saw your Comment, I figured it was about this topic before i clicked it. Fucking Exactly the reason why! smh

 

[apocalidiot]

The article did not say he's racist.

They're saying if Obama had a black son who made the same exact comment it would be all over the news.

Which is 100% true.

So this is Romney's kid's fault?

 

[Platy]

It is kinda hilarious to see how males don't agree that male privilege exists, white people don't see white privilege, shinny people don't see whinny privilege, people who belong to the majority religion don't see religious privilege, rich people don't see rich privilege, cisgender people don't see cisgender privilege, heterosexual people don't see heterosexual privilege ....

 

[Socreges]

I suggest you start at the beginning of this thread...and there's been other threads in OT about this. TONS of people say it doesn't exist

I'm sure it's been said. But the conversation evolved and Wolves has been posting in the last couple pages. It seemed bizarre to suddenly address a crowd of people that apparently aren't even populating this thread. His post just seemed like an attempt to speciously undermine anyone saying this article is wrong.

 

[Platy]

I'm sure no one made that argument.

Last page :

...and you are full of non-sequiturs, and bullshit.

My parents worked all their lives (my dad still works part-time at age 75) and neither of them ever made more than $70k combined. I had to pay my way through college by working the entire time. And I struggle financially every day. If there is some magical "white privilege," I must've missed where the line starts to sign up for my free shit.

And my favorite example :

I do not think there is any Black Privilege nor do I think there is any such thing as White Privilege.

Using the term 'White Privilege' is a way to invalidate arguments made by people who happen to be white.

It is an attempt to have debates where some participants opinions are not worth as much or as legitimate because they have 'Privilege'.

It is a poisonous concept.

 

[HK-47]

Did Pristine really just try to counter with black privilege?

 

[Socreges]

Did Pristine really just try to counter with black privilege?

No. Read his post again.

 

[Zeke]

Never. White people will change the way race is counted before they would let that happen...OH WAIT.

Cool time to start checking American Indian then. If blonde hair blued eye folks can claim their great great great grandmother was a cherookee princess and claim they are 1/16 native I should have no problems.

 

[Trent Strong]

It is kinda hilarious to see how males don't agree that male privilege exists, white people don't see white privilege, shinny people don't see whinny privilege, people who belong to the majority religion don't see religious privilege, rich people don't see rich privilege, cisgender people don't see cisgender privilege, heterosexual people don't see heterosexual privilege ....

What?

 

[Pristine_Condition]

I love all the people who get offended by the fact that in America being was and still is advantageous and post how they worked and their parents worked and so on

Don't know if you are talking about me, but I posted what I posted because Ramblin specifically said "and yet you are exemplary" directed at me.

I maintain that being white is not nearly as much of an advantage as having rich/famous parents (which certainly applies in Romney's son's case.) Is that really controversial?

 

[Mumei]

The problem is with the article, which places most of the emphasis on the comments and the commenter instead of on the broader social implications that the author is trying to represent. The "hypothetical unfair media reaction" is initially presented not as the primary problem that should be addressed, but as support for the argument that Tagg benefited from White Privilege.

In essence, it presented the issue backwards because the (liberal commentator) author was preoccupied with presenting the "other side" in as negative a light as possible. Instead of a discussion on "Is this indicative of a fundamentally unfair media/social environment" we get a debate centered more on whether Tagg Romney is a racist asshole.

I think it's both true that Tagg benefited from white privilege - would would white privilege matter if no one were either benefiting or being treated unfairly because of it? - and that this is part of a larger social problem; that while white people and black people are treated in disparate ways, the ideology of colorblindness, well, blinds people to this fact and results in people going into contortions to justify an "anything but race" perspective as the explanation for racial phenomena.

So I don't know that the person writing the article got it completely wrong; I feel like it is a misreading to paint the article as a simplistic "Tagg Romney is a racist asshole" smear piece. It was negative towards him, but I think it made the points you said it needed to make.

It is kinda hilarious to see how males don't agree that male privilege exists, white people don't see white privilege, shinny people don't see whinny privilege, people who belong to the majority religion don't see religious privilege, rich people don't see rich privilege, cisgender people don't see cisgender privilege, heterosexual people don't see heterosexual privilege ....

"Privilege is invisible to those who have it."

 

[Piecake]

What?

skinny?

And i really dont see white people privilege in this with the limited amount of info. Rich people privilege? Yea, i could see it. I could also see that Tagg is just a hot tempered asshole who doesnt like someone insulting his father. we dont need to put a label on everything

 

[Infinite]

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And my favorite example :

I was actually saying no one made the "oh it would have been worse if you were black" argument while trying to define white privilege.

 

[jon bones]

If only we had any actual examples of all the hypotheticals popping up in this thread...

Any would be nice.

yes, there have never been any examples of white privilege, ever.

let me guess, you're white?

 

[Grimm Fandango]

skinny?

And i really dont see white people privilege in this with the limited amount of info. Rich people privilege? Yea, i could see it. I could also see that Tagg is just a hot tempered asshole who doesnt like someone insulting his father. we dont need to put a label on everything

Pretty much.

If Tagg has a more racist history then yeah it's a bit different.

 

[Blackace]

So this is Romney's kid's fault?

That is exactly the point, Romney's kid is the SOLE CAUSE of white privilege...

 

[Blackace]

Don't know if you are talking about me, but I posted what I posted because Ramblin specifically said "and yet you are exemplary" directed at me.

I maintain that being white is not nearly as much of an advantage as having rich/famous parents (which certainly applies in Romney's son's case.) Is that really controversial?

Not really at you.. it happens anytime the idea that being apart of the majority is a privilege.

Being rich of course is the ultimate privilege.. I don't think anyone can deny that, but being a part of the majority is still an advantage..

 

[Baconsammy]

Not really at you.. it happens anytime the idea that being apart of the majority is a privilege.

Being rich of course is the ultimate privilege.. I don't think anyone can deny that, but being a part of the majority is still an advantage..

Rich, white, and powerful is definitely the trifecta.

 

[Platy]

What?

skinny
Don't drink and post =P

Spoiler

Even if it is just an orange juice. One hand typing is dangerous

And i really dont see white people privilege in this with the limited amount of info. Rich people privilege? Yea, i could see it. I could also see that Tagg is just a hot tempered asshole who doesnt like someone insulting his father. we dont need to put a label on everything

This is not about how asshole he is ... it is about how he didn't got praticaly ANY media attention compared to what happen when a non white person do the same

 

[Veezy]

If only we had any actual examples of all the hypotheticals popping up in this thread...

Any would be nice.

Chris Brown vs. Charlie Sheen and the media's coverage and portrayal of their situations.

 

[NBtoaster]

Didn't read the whole thread yet but did someone say that? Because that's not the concept of white privilege

I wasn't referring to comments here, tbut why isn't that part of, or a result of white privilege? The quick wikipedia definition is "unearned advantages of being White in a racially stratified society". Thus would a white person, hardshipped or not, enjoy silent social advantages that non-whites wouldn't, making hardships more troublesome to overcome?

 

[Blackace]

Chris Brown vs. Charlie Sheen and the media's coverage and portrayal of their situations.

Kobe vs Big Ben

 

[Baconsammy]

skinny
Don't drink and post =P

Spoiler

Even if it is just an orange juice. One hand typing is dangerous

This is not about how asshole he is ... it is about how he didn't got praticaly ANY media attention compared to what happen when a non white person do the same

He got plenty of media attention from the left wing. If the opposite happened, the right wing would give him plenty of attention and the left wing would downplay it. It's politics. It's not white privilege.

Kobe vs Big Ben

In the NFL thread we're harder on Ben.

 

[Blackace]

I wasn't referring to comments here, tbut why isn't that part of, or a result of white privilege? The quick wikipedia definition is "unearned advantages of being White in a racially stratified society". Thus would a white person, hardshipped or not, enjoy silent social advantages that non-whites wouldn't, making hardships more troublesome to overcome?

having an advantage doesn't equally apply to every aspect of life, and it isn't something you can easily quantify.

 

[Socreges]

This is not about how asshole he is ... it is about how he didn't got praticaly ANY media attention compared to what happen when a non white person do the same

If an Asian or Latino candidate's son had said they wanted to take a swing at a white candidate, you think there would have been more media attention? How do you know this?

 

[apocalidiot]

That is exactly the point, Romney's kid is the SOLE CAUSE of white privilege...

Damn, what a douchebag

 

[Blackace]

If an Asian or Latino candidate's son had said they wanted to take a swing at a white candidate, you think there would have been more media attention? How do you know this?

Well, has there EVER been a Latino or Asian candidate?

 

[Karakand]

having an advantage doesn't equally apply to every aspect of life, and it isn't something you can easily quantify.

Someone tried.

Props for the quantified anti-semitism, BTW.

 

[Infinite]

Kobe vs Big Ben

Does R Kelly vs Roman Polanski work?

 

[Blackace]

Someone tried.

Props for the quantified anti-semitism, BTW.

and failed

 

[Grimm Fandango]

Chris Brown vs. Charlie Sheen and the media's coverage and portrayal of their situations.

Eh I wouldn't say they are so similar. Brown involved Rihanna who is obviously very popular. Sheen's wife was way less known.

Plus Sheen's meltdown last year was everywhere.

 

[Karakand]

and failed

SJ tumblr is pretty awful.

 

[Jburton]

"One of the hallmarks of White Privilege is the unquestioned and largely unchallenged assumption that white people can say heinous things about people of color without blowback or even mild criticism."

What? Without criticism from who? The mainstream media will critcise the fuck out of any white person who does this. As far as the mainstream media goes, it's the opposite, if anything.

This.

Any slight whiff of racism by a white person and you will get buried by the media, and rightly so ....... but to say a white person can say what they want without fear or retribution is a lie.


All in all the son of a presidential candidate says he wanted to swing for his fathers opponent, seemingly in an off the cuff joking manner.

The only time race is was brought into it was by the author of the article.

 

[Anticitizen One]

Thats the wierdest looking guy ive ever seen

 

[Baconsammy]

Eh I wouldn't say they are so similar. Brown involved Rihanna who is obviously very popular. Sheen's wife was way less known.

Plus Sheen's meltdown last year was everywhere.

Sheen was vilified(for losing a million dollar an episode job), lost his job, and was then ridiculed. Brown was vilified (for beating the shit out of a woman), kept his job, and has been very successful since, winning numerous awards. The crime he committed and subsequent inability to appear contrite has earned him the hatred of many. It's not his race. It's the crime and seeming lack of remorse. Hasn't hurt his career like Sheen's stupidity hurt his.