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[Father_Brain]

Yeah this is very true, and that's what I'm seeing too. A lot of this will likely have to do with Nvidia having a hand in the development tools and software. Nvidia has a lot of experience with most third parties in optimizing PC ports of multiplats, so utilizing their experience and IP in that way will greatly lower the monetary barrier to third party ports.

Some other people have said- it's like Nintendo is going third party on an Nvidia console, and one of the benefits of that is most definitely going to be third party relations.




Bethesda historically has been much, much worse in that area. And look where we are now.

Don't get me wrong, I expected literally no Switch support at all from Bethesda and I'm impressed that Nintendo got anything from them, but a four-month-late port of a remaster of a five-year-old game isn't exactly a sign that they're all in on the platform.

 

[LordKano]

Don't get me wrong, I expected literally no Switch support at all from Bethesda and I'm impressed that Nintendo got anything from them, but a four-month-late port of a five-year-old game isn't exactly a sign that they're all in on the platform.

What do you think would have been better for the launch, since Bethesda has nothing in Q1 2017 ?

 

[-Mutsukki-]

Don't get me wrong, I expected literally no Switch support at all from Bethesda and I'm impressed that Nintendo got anything from them, but a four-month-late port of a remaster of a five-year-old game isn't exactly a sign that they're all in on the platform.

It's a sign that they're at least in in some form... which is honestly saying a lot compared to, well, nothing.


The biggest factor here is not that Take Two is praising the console (even if when they "praised" the Wii U they just literally said that if it sold well they would make stuff for it, that was hardly "excitement"), is that they're saying that Nintendo is making a "great effort" to have 3rd parties there. That's pretty new, since Nintendo is usually very oblivious on that front. For Take Two deliberately saying something like this, there's at least SOMETHING happening

 

[cws]

Don't get me wrong, I expected literally no Switch support at all from Bethesda and I'm impressed that Nintendo got anything from them, but a four-month-late port of a remaster of a five-year-old game isn't exactly a sign that they're all in on the platform.

What did Bethesda had for the PS4 or Xbox One launch ? Game development takes time, nothing else is ready now - Skyrim Remastered is their latest game based on a beloved IP so it makes sense to be their first Switch project.

 

[sphinx]

Nintendo probably begged them for Skyrim.

Nintendo tries to court devs everytime they release hardware, Bethesda always proceeds to ingnore them but not this time,

why? stay tuned til Jan 12.

another thing that rarely gets commented on is how nintendo avoided grandparents and children in their presentation, it basically has young grown-ups, maybe this time they will try to get 30 year olds with disposable income, first and foremost

 

[DAREALGUMMY]

Thought I'd heard this before: https://gamerant.com/take-two-interactive-no-ports-wii-u-tao-92492/

Thankfully, it doesn't sound like they're taking a wait and see approach which didn't help.

 

[SolidSnakex]

It's not like Fallout 4 is visually a killer either. And it's the remastered version of Skyrim, which was not possible on consoles from five years ago.
They just picked what made the most sense.

Visuals aren't the only thing that comes with more powerful hardware. For example, FO4's big addition was really the Settlement Building. You can build extremely elaborate structures with the engine. And I doubt they could've pulled that off on last generation hardware.

 

[asagami_]

Funny because when I hear about Nintendo and 3rd parties I always think in japanese devs. If Swtich receive japanese titles which are exclusives for the Playstation ecosystem (a.k.a. Vita and PS4) I will be very happy.

About western devs... well, at least the indie support should be better than both the 3DS and Wii U.

 

[-Mutsukki-]

another thing that rarely gets commented on is how nintendo avoided granparents and children in their presentation, basically has young grown-ups, maybe this time they will try to get 30 year olds with disposable income, first and foremost

Yeah I realised that too and I expected people to comment more about it. That's a pretty big change in marketing direction from them (see recent 3DS line commercials that still have kids)

 

[Plum]

Visuals aren't the only thing that comes with more powerful hardware. For example, FO4's big addition was really the Settlement Building. You can build extremely elaborate structures with the engine. And I doubt they could've pulled that off on last generation hardware.

That's CPU-bound, and considering the Switch's CPU is rumoured to be at least, if not more, powerful than the PS4/X1's (which are both very much under-powered) then running settlement building shouldn't be an issue.

 

[Skittzo0413]

In order for that to be true bethesda would actually have to put out stuff on nitnendo consoles first. I'm not knocking down 3rd parties coming around as bethesda and take two are as this is a huge step up in the 3rd party department for me. Just if someone gives me a moment to shit on EA with nintendo platforms I will. Dice alone and how they feel about switch will speak volumes considering they wanted to like WiiU before the CPU just proved to be too weak for their games.

I'm also with bronetta about ports and what types. Considering the low end shit that can already run doom3, I see no reason why a switch can't especially with a vulkan like api and less bloat to deal with than a typical laptop or pc has because of windows. Doom 3 at 30fps 720p with enhancement is very doable on switch. FPS performance in the video is worse due to recording,

I wasn't trying to disagree with your EA statement, I was just indicating that EA has always at least put in a token effort, whereas Bethesda actually supporting a Nintendo console with anything at all should be reason for optimism. But just out of curiosity what did DICE say about the Switch?

Don't get me wrong, I expected literally no Switch support at all from Bethesda and I'm impressed that Nintendo got anything from them, but a four-month-late port of a remaster of a five-year-old game isn't exactly a sign that they're all in on the platform.

I've argued before that Skyrim is the perfect game for them to show off in that trailer so I won't try again, but hopefully we do wind up seeing newer games like Dishonored 2 from them at the January event. Not really expecting to, but it would be a very good sign.

That's CPU-bound, and considering the Switch's CPU is rumoured to be at least, if not more, powerful than the PS4/X1's (which are both very much under-powered) then running settlement building shouldn't be an issue.

Yeah a lot of people are forgetting that. The Switch specs are probably going to be surprising some people in this thread (like the ones who think it's closer to 360 than XB1).

 

[Schnozberry]

Visuals aren't the only thing that comes with more powerful hardware. For example, FO4's big addition was really the Settlement Building. You can build extremely elaborate structures with the engine. And I doubt they could've pulled that off on last generation hardware.

It definitely would have been memory constrained, but that's really about it.

 

[Leatherface]

This is the part where 3rd parties try to convince us we need a switch so they see the attach numbers they like to commit to supporting the switch. I know this game.

How about you just give it a shot, devs? Take a risk like you are asking all of us to take? Announce some shit. Get us excited for the switch.

 

[Chao]

This is the part where 3rd parties try to convince us we need a switch so they see the attach numbers they like to commit to supporting the switch. I know this game.

How about you just give it a shot, devs? Take a risk like you are asking all of us to take? Announce some shit. Get us excited for the switch.

I'm sure they will throw us a bone and soon will announce that Universal studios game ported from the GameCube.

 

[Leatherface]

I'm sure they will throw us a bone and soon will announce that Universal studios game ported from the GameCube.

That's some livin' on the edge stuff right there.

 

[Voysa Reezun]

What did Bethesda had for the PS4 or Xbox One launch ? Game development takes time, nothing else is ready now - Skyrim Remastered is their latest game based on a beloved IP so it makes sense to be their first Switch project.

Dishonored 2?

 

[Pancakes R Us]

It's very simple. What Take Two games we see on the switch will depend on many people buy the Switch. And the amount of people that buy the Switch will mainly depend on:

1. Price
2. Hype
3. Launch games
4. Specs

Probably in that order too. For reference, see the PS4 launch.

I don't think it's that simple. It depends on the audience too. No point in Take 2 making a GTA if it's the usual Nintendo crowd that doesn't buy other games.

 

[TunaLover]

Hopefully Switch is attractive enough to get third parties in, and hopefully we got more support from third parties this time around, we will see.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Why isn't Nintendo themselves saying this?

Nintendo had 3 minutes to get off their chest, and now they're shut up until January. It would also mean less coming from them directly.

Sure, but what people are looking at is that the Bethesda game "confirmed" for the Switch is one that was released five years ago for last generation consoles. They just released FO4, which is designed specifically for current-gen hardware. So, is that a sign or are they just picking the game was had the better reception and sales?

My personal guess is it makes sense to get Skyrim out of the way first, and if it's feasible Fallout 4 will arrive alongside the "complete" editions for other machines. Makes more sense than a late vanilla Fallout 4 followed by a REALLY late Skyrim.

 

[LCGeek]

I wasn't trying to disagree with your EA statement, I was just indicating that EA has always at least put in a token effort, whereas Bethesda actually supporting a Nintendo console with anything at all should be reason for optimism. But just out of curiosity what did DICE say about the Switch?

I was just adding to the situation, didn't mean to make you feel like you were disagreeing.

For the record dice never said anything, me mentioning them was more of I'd like to hear what they think not they have said anything publiclly as I'm sure they have thoughts. They left WiiU for the most basic problem devs ran in to which was the CPU. Seeing how they feel about switch or how EA lets them do anything would be huge signal to me the system is up to snuff. Yet at this point if EA knowing far more than what I know is still on the fence about what to push they shouldn't even try indies and other 3rd parties I know will.

 

[Xenoblade]

I don't think it's that simple. It depends on the audience too. No point in Take 2 making a GTA if it's the usual Nintendo crowd that doesn't buy other games.

True. So it's the amount of people that buy the switch and the demographic.

 

[L Thammy]

Cautiously excited.

 

[Jezan]

Same song and dance every launch.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Spot on.

It's the same every launch, reminds me of every time a new Zelda is in development: "it will be different, we learned "

 

[Plum]

Spot on.

It's the same every launch, reminds me of every time a new Zelda is in development: "it will be different, we learned "

Have you seen anything regarding Breath of the Wild or do you legitimately think that game is "more of the same"?

 

[Skittzo0413]

I was just adding to the situation, didn't mean to make you feel like you were disagreeing.

For the record dice never said anything, me mentioning them was more of I'd like to hear what they think not they have said anything publiclly as I'm sure they have thoughts. They left WiiU for the most basic problem devs ran in to which was the CPU. Seeing how they feel about switch or how EA lets them do anything would be huge signal to me the system is up to snuff. Yet at this point if EA knowing far more than what I know is still on the fence about what to push they shouldn't even try indies and other 3rd parties I know will.

Ah I see what you're saying. Yeah, it is a bit strange how EA is approaching this, consistently saying things like "a game or two" or "one game" is in development, which really doesn't inspire all that much confidence. Hopefully the situation becomes clearer in January once third parties can actually announce games.

 

[L Thammy]

Have you seen anything regarding Breath of the Wild or do you legitimately think that game is "more of the same"?

In March we've going to find out that they scrapped everything we saw so far and just made Twilight Princess 2 instead.

 

[Portugeezer]

Unlike the Wii U, I would actually be interested in playing some third party games on Switch even if it's a bit weaker than XB1/PS4, simply because of the portability factor... as long as the ports are competent.

However Nintendo needs to get the latest games, late ports of multi-platform games are depressing, for example, a Switch version of FF15 sometime in 2017 would be good and all but most people will have played it already.

 

[L Thammy]

I'll never get this sentiment. Late ports were popular on PS4 and XB1. While it's more important that the Switch gets games as they come out, they're not losing anything by getting a late port.

 

[KahooTs]

Bleh, ok so long as it's not detracting any energy (or funds) from in-house. I buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games and don't care for anything else on it that I can get on my PC.

 

[KingSnake]

I'll never get this sentiment. Late ports were popular on PS4 and XB1. While it's more important that the Switch gets games as they come out, they're not losing anything by getting a late port.

Most if not all multiplats at PS4 and Xbone launch were late ports. Because that's the nature of a launch.

All the multiplats on Switch will not get the best version of that game and that's a guarantee (more so after Scorpio comes out), but it will be the only portable version and that's what Nintendo and 3rd parties need to highlight again and again and again. This time around there is an exclusive feature. For those who care about this.

 

[BarringGaffner]

Same song and dance every launch.

I'll believe it when I see it.

this

save your money until Nintendo learns to properly invest in their home console.

 

[Green Yoshi]

...and that's why we will port the 360/PS3-version of NBA 2K17 to Switch. Are you excited? ;-)

 

[fritolay]

Heard this before. I want to see games past launch

 

[Easy_D]

Would be nice if you could update with the source mentioned on the site, it wasn't easy transcribing on the fly

But yes, it sounds like Nintendo is doing the right steps when it comes to third party.

As someone's who's transcribed hours worth with the ability to pause, I feel your pain.

Hope we see a healthy ecosystem of games on the system for sure.

 

[General Lee]

If Switch is sufficiently close to Xbox One performance, I could see support for the majority of multiplatform games, but otherwise I think publishers are still going to be wary of making exclusive stuff for Switch. I'm sure Nintendo is putting in more effort, but after such a long time of negligence I think most third parties will take it slow and mostly just port older stuff like Skyrim.

 

[ArcaneFreeze]

I think Third Parties are interested this time around simply because Nintendo is giving them another market most AAA devs haven't been in aka the handheld market. 3DS, DS, GBA, GB were all pathetically weak compared to their console counterparts that it was never a viable market for these AAA games.I mean I'm sure they would have loved to get a piece of the DSs 150+million sales or the 3DSs 60million. Now with Switch they have the power and the chance to get a foot in the door of a new market. But of course we don't know anything yet so we'll just have to wait and see how the market responds.

 

[rockyt]

Strange to see Take Two say this. Never really heard Take Two say anything positive in the past to the best of my memory.

 

[Poketune]

Hopefully this comes to something

 

[13ruce]

Announce Grand Theft Mario already please.

 

[-shadow-]

I just hope that Square end up porting Mankind Divided. I want that game so badly but my PC is hopeless in running it.

 

[BeauRoger]

Third-party PR making nice with console manufacturers really isnt anything new, and doesnt really really indicate much, especially not in Nintendos case. Lets not forget the "unprecedented" partership with EA and similar non-stories from the past. Even the Wii, which sold over 100 million, didnt get substantial AAA support beyond nintendo themselves, and this is a console that comes mid-cycle with a concept thats yet to be proven.

 

[Theanine3D]

Nintendo could get every third party imaginable on board and it still won't make a difference if their fans don't actually buy the games.

Hopefully for them, the fact that the Switch versions will be portable will be a big selling point to differentiate them from their Sony/MS counterparts

 

[Version 3.0]

Nintendo has always had great 3rd party support...for the few 3rd parties they deem worthy of it.

 

[skypunch]

"Nintendo is making a great effort to support 3rd parties on Switch... but we won't be making any games for it."

 

[Bolivar687]

I want Civ VI on that touch screen!

 

[BuggyMike]

They didnt - but people who dont care or follow Nintendo love to act like they know whats up all the time. Thats why you get the first post in this thread and a bunch of people just quoting it.

Cant even be mad about it...

Exactly. It's like, if you've been keeping up with Nintendo for even two generations you'd know that devs never felt like Nintendo were going out of their way to support devs, you'd never get a comment like that, especially not from Take Two. That's something you'd hear about like, the PS4 or something. You'd more likely get small PR comments like "we're excited by the system", or even insults thrown towards their system and Nintendo as a company, or nothing at all. Never have we had a Nintendo system where they let someone more capable like Nvidia handle their API, which will be a huge step up from Nintendo's shitty inhouse tools. We've also never had a Nintendo system with such a familiar architecture. Hell, the system has an even more powerful CPU than both PS4 and Xb1 going by LCGeeks comments.

I know it can be human nature to assume past automatically means present/future, but fortunately things tend to be more nuanced than that. Stop following a narrative and learn the intimate details before you comment on something, and if you're not willing to do that, how about just not saying anything and trying a wait and see approach? Things could turnout to be great, or a disaster, but their certainly isn't much pointing to it being a total disaster at this point in time.

 

[L Thammy]

They didnt - but people who dont care or follow Nintendo love to act like they know whats up all the time. Thats why you get the first post in this thread and a bunch of people just quoting it.

Cant even be mad about it...

To be fair, we've heard similar out of Take Two, although not exactly the same. Actions will speak louder than words as always.

I do hope that it turns out that Nintendo is more aggressive in courting publishers now.

3rd parties will be non-existent just like they have been since 1996. Who cares anymore?

Probably people who aren't huge Nintendo fanboys and actually want the most out of their gaming devices.

 

[Dr. Feel Good]

What a joke. The entire reason Nintendo collapsed its product lines is the sheer fact that they can't rely on third parties anymore and to create their own software to sell the thing.

3rd parties will be non-existent just like they have been since 1996. Who cares anymore?

 

[BuggyMike]

To be fair, we've heard similar out of Take Two, although not exactly the same. Actions will speak louder than words as always.

I do hope that it turns out that Nintendo is more aggressive in courting publishers now.

"It is an HD platform that has the processing power to develop a compelling triple experience. If it takes hold of the market, that is good for us. So from that perspective, we are very excited about that."

VS

"The folks at Nintendo are making a great effort to support third-party developers, we’re very optimistic on the Switch though we are not announcing anything specific today."

These are very different comments in nature.

 

[Wandering Robot]

This is the part where 3rd parties try to convince us we need a switch so they see the attach numbers they like to commit to supporting the switch. I know this game.

How about you just give it a shot, devs? Take a risk like you are asking all of us to take? Announce some shit. Get us excited for the switch.

It's too bad that many devs are afraid to take risks nowadays. It's a catch-22, but Take Two's apparent interest in the Switch is at least a foot in the door. Hopefully it does well enough, along with actual partner communication, to produce actual games. I need not repeat that fateful quote from a certain third party to show how much words mean, ha ha.