Sony pricing an OLED TV below their LCDs would be like hell freezing over. I refuse to believe it.
Agreed. It's as unSony as it gets.
Sony pricing an OLED TV below their LCDs would be like hell freezing over. I refuse to believe it.
I stand by that statement. If he's that picky about what he wants. (or has any standard when it comes to PQ) and especially if he wants HDR, the lowest end set to even consider is the Samsung 49KS7000, but really one should really start looking at something like the Sony 55XD93 and higher. The year of affordable HDR this is not. Wait for 2017 sets to start hitting. Maybe.Suggestions there aren't good TVs for £600 is complete rubbish. Bear in mind you've come into the Digital Foundry thread for TVs, nitpicks, strengths/weaknesses will all be magnified and/or blown out of proportion.
Don't expect good HDR at that price. If you want a set at that price you will have to accept major deficiencies of some kind. I'd recommend waiting it out and saving some more money for a better set.Well I need a TV as I've just moved into my own place, and that is pretty much my budget, so really I just want the best gaming TV I can get for £600 or less
Sony will be live streaming...
https://blog.sony.com/ces/
And LG...
https://www.youtube.com/embed/ryj-wZtYFts
FYI, not much of note comes from these events. Actual TV announcements usually happen on the show floor and all information or any substance comes from floor interviews with reps, press releases and impressions.
FYI, not much of note comes from these events. Actual TV announcements usually happen on the show floor and all information or any substance comes from floor interviews with reps, press releases and impressions.
FYI, not much of note comes from these events. Actual TV announcements usually happen on the show floor and all information or any substance comes from floor interviews with reps, press releases and impressions.
Agreed. It's as unSony as it gets.
There's a quote from Nikkei Asian Review that says their 65" model could be going for $8500. Can't see that being true, but if so, lool
Suggestions there aren't good TVs for £600 is complete rubbish. Bear in mind you've come into the Digital Foundry thread for TVs, nitpicks, strengths/weaknesses will all be magnified and/or blown out of proportion.
LG sets are already getting firesales. I'd look for deals even now there's always a cheap set somewhere if you look.Hey guys, if my thought process behind this is that when LG announces new, incredible OLED tech at CES 2017, it's not so much that is what I want, but rather it brings hope that their older OLED line (which is still great) might start dropping in price?
Anyone else with this mindset?
Quite rare it works this way in CES. Info tends to be staggered in press releases over the event. Last year's Sony conference did give us this gem though:Embargos are lifted so specs, articles already written can be posted, etc.
For this amount of money it is inevitable. This is something you will have to live with I'm afraid. But perhaps there is things you are more happy to let go of.Yeah but therein is my problem, no one seems to be able to recommend one without someone else saying it's crap
There's a quote from Nikkei Asian Review that says their 65" model could be going for $8500. Can't see that being true, but if so, lool
There's a quote from Nikkei Asian Review that says their 65" model could be going for $8500. Can't see that being true, but if so, lool
The LG 2016 OLED models already do this.I really want an OLED with decent gaming performance (30ish ms input lag max)
hope CES delivers
LG sets are already getting firesales. I'd look for deals even now there's always a cheap set somewhere if you look.
Quite rare it works this way in CES. Info tends to be staggered in press releases over the event. Last year's Sony conference did give us this gem though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQkkoylHrss
For this amount of money it is inevitable. This is something you will have to live with I'm afraid. But perhaps there is things you are more happy to let go of.
If you really are after HDR, you might be happy with a Samsung 49KS7000 but that will set you back by 800 quid or so.
Sony will be live streaming...
https://blog.sony.com/ces/
And LG...
https://www.youtube.com/embed/ryj-wZtYFts
This. It's why I ended up getting an LG OLED55C6P.I stand by that statement. If he's that picky about what he wants. (or has any standard when it comes to PQ) and especially if he wants HDR, the lowest end set to even consider is the Samsung 49KS7000, but really one should really start looking at something like the Sony 55XD93 and higher. The year of affordable HDR this is not. Wait for 2017 sets to start hitting. Maybe.
There's a quote from Nikkei Asian Review that says their 65" model could be going for $8500. Can't see that being true, but if so, lool
Am I imagining things or did 2016 LG OLED's recently go back up in price? I could've sworn the B6 65" was going for $3K for a while and now it's $4K.
Am I imagining things or did 2016 LG OLED's recently go back up in price? I could've sworn the B6 65" was going for $3K for a while and now it's $4K.
You're not imagining anything. They have gone up in price. What the hell?
Holiday pricing.Best Buy had the 55' for $1,999. Was gonna use a $250 BB gift card for it and literally the next day I checked again and it went up to $2,500. Eff that.
Holiday pricing maybe?
A bit of info on Samsung's QLED TVs: https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/03/samsung-qled-4k-tv/
Best Buy had the 55' for $1,999. Was gonna use a $250 BB gift card for it and literally the next day I checked again and it went up to $2,500. Eff that.
Holiday pricing maybe?
A bit of info on Samsung's QLED TVs: https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/03/samsung-qled-4k-tv/
Do we know if these will have proper local dimming or will they still just be edge lit?A bit of info on Samsung's QLED TVs: https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/03/samsung-qled-4k-tv/
Like all other OLED TVs to be released in 2017, the TX-65EZ1002/ TX-65EZ1000 wont have 3D capability.
but not Dolby Vision format since the company believes it knows its own panel and processing better than any other organisation.
LG OLEDs to date have had a tendency to either render the shades just above black with more noise and blockiness, or crush shadow detail however slight. Panasonic aims to tackle this through its HCX2 processor, drawing upon its know-how and experience with plasma to compensate
Lol I see you are going down the response time route now then! So you gonna make me pull out the B6 table again?
1080p @ 60Hz 44.4ms
1080p @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 61.0ms
1080p @ 60Hz @ HDR 58.0ms - 71.0ms
1080p @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 @ HDR 54.9ms - 70.7ms
4k @ 60Hz 43.2ms
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 59.8ms
4k @ 60Hz @ HDR 38.2ms - 54.5ms
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 @ HDR N/A
Hmmm can't see any of those being quicker than the ZD9? Some of those readings are atrocious.
And why on earth would you put response times and input lag in the same basket!?
You must know better that?
Clutching at huge clumps of straw I'm thinking.
I'd choose the one I have now funnily enough, Panasonic 902, 35ms across the board, would make a table like the LG one look very boring.
Who said the B6? The C6/E6 and G6 all outperform the ZD9 when it comes to gaming, on lag alone.
The reason I bring up pixel response time, is it is completely relevant to picking a panel for gaming, if you don't want smearing on fast motion, or ghosting. Just as you don't want DSE which the demo model I saw of the ZD9 had.
The ZD9 is arguably the best all-round consumer TV out there (as it should be for the price), but I'd pick an OLED for gaming every time.
That doesn't seem like a big increase over current models. It varies from unit to unit, but hitting around 700 nits seems to be common on the E6
I thought they would go higher as some prototype OLEDs hitting 1000+ nits were demoed earlier last year. Not that I care much, I think the current OLEDs get plenty bright.
Could just be a minimum amount though and the typical average will be higher.
A bit of info on Samsung's QLED TVs: https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/03/samsung-qled-4k-tv/
Wait, I thought that Samsung's QLED would be more in line with something like OLED. This just sounds like a LCD variant.A bit of info on Samsung's QLED TVs: https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/03/samsung-qled-4k-tv/
Sounds nice. Peak brightness is still poor though and there is nothing about full panel brightness and changes to the brightness limiting circuitry. Reflective filter should be really interesting. Currently one of the reasons why OLED is really bad for HDR is that they can't actually hit the low end HDR premium black levels in a real world viewing environment due to reflections in the room, this should help mitigate that. Moreover, Panasonic's processing might also help mitigate the near black issues these panels are plagued with.
I hope that quote "no 3D like all the 2017 OLEDs" was incorrect or I guess I will be looking for an E6 soon instead of waiting on the 2017 model.
I hope that quote "no 3D like all the 2017 OLEDs" was incorrect or I guess I will be looking for an E6 soon instead of waiting on the 2017 model.
That subpixel stuff sounds badhttp://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/qled-subpixel-201701044404.htm
Improved viewing angles on VA panels, but a 'diamond like shimmer'?
Eep, we will have to see about that.
Yeah, if that's true I'll be getting a 2016 model no matter what improvements come in the new generation.
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