The definitive RPG!
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Musashi Wins!
FLAWLESS VICTOLY!
I thought that Planescape is indeed worthy of praise for it's story...but it's play mechanics are not that fun. Some of the other trash being mentioned isn't even on the same Plane.
Do The Mario
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Musashi Wins! said:
You do plane travel in BG2, and you do come across references to planescpae when doing so!
Within watchers keep
Within the planer sphere
anyway the prime material >>> sigil
Parallax Scroll
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krypt0nian
Banned
MrAngryFace said:
1000% true!
Late Stage Marxist
Member
FFVI is the RPG all other RPG's secretly want to be.
Was waiting for this one. PDS wasn't the greatest on length but it made up for that by having awesome characters and a storyline that even Square could have killed for.Parallax Scroll said:
I constantly look back on the SNES era as the greatest ever RPG-wise, but whenever I glance back at some of last gen's massive games I'm not too sure anymore. PDS, Grandia, FF7-8-9, Vagrant Story, Suikoden I & II, Chrono Cross, etc.
Do The Mario said:
Some of us have, and were damn near bored to tears. I expected so much from Baldur's Gate, I ran out and bought it as soon as it came out, and then I fell asleep at my computer. Seriously, I'm not trying to troll, but I can't understand how anyone could like these games. 600+ hours?! I was bored out of my mind after 25.
piracy, man. I wouldn't recommend it except the game isn't being made anymore so it can be hard to find. maybe you can get lucky and find a copy in one of interplay's $10 double packs at a target or best buy or something, though. but if you can't, seriously, just download and burn it because interplay stopped producing it like a year ago.Gattsu25 said:
Atomsmasher
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I had tried getting into Baldur's Gate and Planescape when they launched, but never could. Had alot to do with the text heavy nature of them (even insignificant NPCs would spew out paragraphs of dialogue). They sat on my shelf for years, mostly unplayed, until KotOR came out. KotOR was much easier for me to get into, because of the Star Wars license. So after I beat that game 2 times, I decided to give those old RPGs a try again. Well anyway, I found that after playing KotOR, it was much easier for me to get into BG1/2 and Planescape.
Torment has a better story, but BG2 has better gameplay. I found that there were too many confusing parts in Torment where you need to select a bunch of specific dialogue choices to get what you need (but I suppose some people really liked that), and also the combat isn't as fun.
The Icewind Dale series is also worthy of mention. They're just as good as Baldur's Gate in terms of gameplay, the stories aren't too shabby, and considering you can get the entire series + bonus stuff in the $30 collectors edition, it's definitely a good value.
Torment has a better story, but BG2 has better gameplay. I found that there were too many confusing parts in Torment where you need to select a bunch of specific dialogue choices to get what you need (but I suppose some people really liked that), and also the combat isn't as fun.
The Icewind Dale series is also worthy of mention. They're just as good as Baldur's Gate in terms of gameplay, the stories aren't too shabby, and considering you can get the entire series + bonus stuff in the $30 collectors edition, it's definitely a good value.
MightyHedgehog
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Tamanon said:Dragon Wars kicked ass. Having to bust out of that city with several different ways of going about it was great, although I was never able finish the game. I'd always get to a point where the party was invading another castle and just couldn't do it, no matter how many times I tried.
Wasteland was amazing! Everything from going to Vegas to getting your first RPG and fighting the robots. Plus near the end when suddenly you have melee weapons haha. Great stuff.PLASMA AXE FOR LYFE
Sorry to nitpick, but it was actually a PROTON AXE that you get from the Citadel dwellers.
KOTOR comes nowhere near the BG series....
I mean, sure lightsabers and Jedis are about the coolest thing in the world but the BG games had such massive and beautiful environments that were such a joy to explore and so MANY different subquests to take on.....]
BTW, I'm a massive Bioware whore too.....
Bioware>Black Isle
Suck it down, bitches!
I mean, sure lightsabers and Jedis are about the coolest thing in the world but the BG games had such massive and beautiful environments that were such a joy to explore and so MANY different subquests to take on.....]
BTW, I'm a massive Bioware whore too.....
Bioware>Black Isle
Suck it down, bitches!
I've played BG1 and I've beaten BG2 and I stopped partway through Throne of Bhaal.
Biggest beefs:
1. BG1's game engine retardedly UNPAUSES the game when you hit your inventory. Whoever was responsible for this must've been sacked, because BG2 thankfully doesn't do this anymore (and is probably why I was able to finish it).
2. The writing is HORRIBLE! I mean really, it's like they scrounged some shitty plot outline out of Robert Jordan's garbage and ran with it. The villain is a pretentious snot that has jackshit to do with continuing the story of the
. Then I got partway through the expansion (before hitting a dead end thanks to shitty game design). I went ahead and spoiled the game and found out
WTF? who writes this shit? I swear, D&D writers just make shit up without even trying to be consistent or logical. Sort of an "it works that way because we say it does" attitude.
3. I really don't care for the RTS-style combat engine. Tooooo much clicking.
Nathan
Biggest beefs:
1. BG1's game engine retardedly UNPAUSES the game when you hit your inventory. Whoever was responsible for this must've been sacked, because BG2 thankfully doesn't do this anymore (and is probably why I was able to finish it).
2. The writing is HORRIBLE! I mean really, it's like they scrounged some shitty plot outline out of Robert Jordan's garbage and ran with it. The villain is a pretentious snot that has jackshit to do with continuing the story of the
dead god Bhaal and the Player's conflict with his destiny
the villain is some bitch who ISN'T EVEN A BHAALSPAWN trying to usurp Bhaal's power.
3. I really don't care for the RTS-style combat engine. Tooooo much clicking.
Nathan
Do The Mario
Unconfirmed Member
gblues said:
That villain lady is a the high Priestess of bhaal not just some random, malisian has tricked and manipulated the bhaalspawn against each other so she can collect there essence when they die.
Uncle Dukey
Member
Old school PC:
Fallout
Ultima 7
Both fantastic.
Might & Magic VI and Diablo, thought not as good, deserve a mention for their addicting just-one-more-battle-and-piece-of-loot effect.
Sorry I haven't played Wasteland.
Recent PC:
Gothic II
Divine Divinity - not as good but entertaining, and I liked the european vibe of the world in both games.
Kotor? Sitting on a box. A couple minutes of play reminded me that I don't care for Star Wars. And that is time to upgrade the Geforce MX.
Old console (not as good as PC games):
FF VI
Chrono Trigger
Lufia II
These are still unrivaled in some areas. Should try the SNES Romancing Saga games now...
Plenty other good mentions, as Lunar SSS / EB, Xenogears, Star Ocean 2 (not completed, flawed, but for some odd reason found it charming).
Oh, and Tales of Phantasia II (american name) was very nice too.
Sue me, I found FF8 and 9 allright.
Recent for console:
Shadow Hearts I / II
....
Star Ocean 3? Nocturne? Paper mario 2? Played them little and nothing, can't tell yet.
Console strategy games not included in the list, or might add FFT, maybe Growlanser will also fit, and Bahamut Lagoon is still on the waiting list.
Baldurs Gate 1 & 2 & expansion pack, hardly touched them.
I loathe the useless complication of the D&D ruleset. The writing sounded too much like american superhero sillyness, excessive pointless chatting.
Too bad, since the idea of compatibility among party members seemed intriguing.
Bought Icewing Dale cause I like all that is nordic / cold / icy, battle system scared me away again. Enjoyed the title screen and music at least!
P. Torment, similiar problem. I wanted to see the supposedly great writing, managed even to stand the battles for some time... then came memory leaks and random crashes. Byebye.
What's up with the mage grandma anyway? The dialogue to open the mage class was old cheese.
Along with the whole junkyard-fantasy ambientation.
If I read fantasy, I want to see worlds I'd wish to live into, like the beautiful ones and ispiring characters of Tolkien, and the legends that inspired him.
Not this Dirty Drunken Hero of the Ghetto style of stuff that D&D games are pulling put.
Edit:
Almost forgot Everquest!
Evil, pointless, and someone should tell Firiona Vie that isn't graceful for a high elf woman to spread legs so much every time she moves (see boxarts!).
Still, was great in some ways. Lots to explore, great feel of discovery and adventure, somewhat believable NPCs (some had unique routines, or were rare, and lots of unique text), loads of Loot to farm for who wants to throw away his real life, great encounters, cool community, politics, friendships, loathing and competition and griefing...
Fallout
Ultima 7
Both fantastic.
Might & Magic VI and Diablo, thought not as good, deserve a mention for their addicting just-one-more-battle-and-piece-of-loot effect.
Sorry I haven't played Wasteland.
Recent PC:
Gothic II
Divine Divinity - not as good but entertaining, and I liked the european vibe of the world in both games.
Kotor? Sitting on a box. A couple minutes of play reminded me that I don't care for Star Wars. And that is time to upgrade the Geforce MX.
Old console (not as good as PC games):
FF VI
Chrono Trigger
Lufia II
These are still unrivaled in some areas. Should try the SNES Romancing Saga games now...
Plenty other good mentions, as Lunar SSS / EB, Xenogears, Star Ocean 2 (not completed, flawed, but for some odd reason found it charming).
Oh, and Tales of Phantasia II (american name) was very nice too.
Sue me, I found FF8 and 9 allright.
Recent for console:
Shadow Hearts I / II
....
Star Ocean 3? Nocturne? Paper mario 2? Played them little and nothing, can't tell yet.
Console strategy games not included in the list, or might add FFT, maybe Growlanser will also fit, and Bahamut Lagoon is still on the waiting list.
Baldurs Gate 1 & 2 & expansion pack, hardly touched them.
I loathe the useless complication of the D&D ruleset. The writing sounded too much like american superhero sillyness, excessive pointless chatting.
Too bad, since the idea of compatibility among party members seemed intriguing.
Bought Icewing Dale cause I like all that is nordic / cold / icy, battle system scared me away again. Enjoyed the title screen and music at least!
P. Torment, similiar problem. I wanted to see the supposedly great writing, managed even to stand the battles for some time... then came memory leaks and random crashes. Byebye.
What's up with the mage grandma anyway? The dialogue to open the mage class was old cheese.
Along with the whole junkyard-fantasy ambientation.
If I read fantasy, I want to see worlds I'd wish to live into, like the beautiful ones and ispiring characters of Tolkien, and the legends that inspired him.
Not this Dirty Drunken Hero of the Ghetto style of stuff that D&D games are pulling put.
Edit:
Almost forgot Everquest!
Evil, pointless, and someone should tell Firiona Vie that isn't graceful for a high elf woman to spread legs so much every time she moves (see boxarts!).
Still, was great in some ways. Lots to explore, great feel of discovery and adventure, somewhat believable NPCs (some had unique routines, or were rare, and lots of unique text), loads of Loot to farm for who wants to throw away his real life, great encounters, cool community, politics, friendships, loathing and competition and griefing...
the novel doesn't really do the game justice IMO. what makes planescape fun is that it's like a really involved choose-your-own adventure book. it's too easy of a game, but with all the focus on dialogue and character exploration (and choices) you'll probably find that it's a lot more interesting just because you really get to play and develop the nameless one as your own character, moreso than any other RPG I've played..
JackFrost2012
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firex said:
The Ultima Collection released a few years back collected 0-8 on a single CD-ROM. Maybe you can find it in a used bin or on eBay.
Whoops. Those last 2 games were supposed to be Eye of the Beholder and The Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind.
If you want a more convenient and borderline illegal way to get virtually any old computer game just search for abandonware on Google and use the program Dosbox. That program emulates old computers perfectly and even has Soundblaster support and other music support.
If you want a more convenient and borderline illegal way to get virtually any old computer game just search for abandonware on Google and use the program Dosbox. That program emulates old computers perfectly and even has Soundblaster support and other music support.
I briefly tried Baldur's Gate II a year ago and couldn't get into it. I liked KOTOR and loved MDK 2, and even my fairly ancient PC could run BG II, so I figured what the hell.
For me, the appeal of KOTOR was its excellent quest/scenario design and the moral choices it presented the player. I enjoyed it despite what I felt was a rather poor battle system. I do not believe that real-time combat is automatically superior to turn-based for RPGs. When you're controlling a single character, real-time combat is great, but when you have an entire party of characters you're responsible for, and the AI for the party members you're not currently controlling isn't very good, and you have to constantly pause the action every few seconds to take stock of your characters health, switch between characters and give them their next commands... well, it's a mess.
I had all the same problems with BG II's battle system that I had with KOTOR, only its pedestrian and linear story couldn't offset its flaws. And the battle system was even more annoying, thanks to the fact that BG II's was saddled with strict adherence to AD&D's antiquated ruleset, which at least KOTOR was free of.
But real-time combat is all the rage these days. I fully expect to see a bunch of mediocre reviews for DQVIII when it comes out here whining about how outdated its random encounters and turn-based combat are and how every RPG should be real time like KOTOR and Jade Empire now. Sigh.
For me, the appeal of KOTOR was its excellent quest/scenario design and the moral choices it presented the player. I enjoyed it despite what I felt was a rather poor battle system. I do not believe that real-time combat is automatically superior to turn-based for RPGs. When you're controlling a single character, real-time combat is great, but when you have an entire party of characters you're responsible for, and the AI for the party members you're not currently controlling isn't very good, and you have to constantly pause the action every few seconds to take stock of your characters health, switch between characters and give them their next commands... well, it's a mess.
I had all the same problems with BG II's battle system that I had with KOTOR, only its pedestrian and linear story couldn't offset its flaws. And the battle system was even more annoying, thanks to the fact that BG II's was saddled with strict adherence to AD&D's antiquated ruleset, which at least KOTOR was free of.
But real-time combat is all the rage these days. I fully expect to see a bunch of mediocre reviews for DQVIII when it comes out here whining about how outdated its random encounters and turn-based combat are and how every RPG should be real time like KOTOR and Jade Empire now. Sigh.
I would have to say Baldur's Gate 2 is easily the best RPG I've ever played. It's one of those games that I enjoyed every minute of, and didn't mind it being 100+ hours long.
Baldur's Gate 1 is really good too, but there's too many open-ended wilderness areas with nothing to find. Baldur's Gate 2 was much smarter with how it did travelling, and condensed the map/locations.
but that's not to say no other RPGs come close, my next favorite RPGs are:
Landstalker (greatest puzzle-action RPG!)
Panzer Dragoon Saga
Phantasy Star 2
Shining Force 2,3
Golden Sun:The Lost Age
Skies of Arcadia
Alundra
Beyond Good & Evil (is this an RPG!?, or just an adventure game?)
I see that a lot of people couldn't get into Baldur's Gate 2. I guess there is a learning curve, and I guess you need a love of AD&D to really get into it. I grew up on AD&D
ool of Radiance and Curse of the Azure Bonds, so I was already a D&D fan.
Baldur's Gate 1 is really good too, but there's too many open-ended wilderness areas with nothing to find. Baldur's Gate 2 was much smarter with how it did travelling, and condensed the map/locations.
but that's not to say no other RPGs come close, my next favorite RPGs are:
Landstalker (greatest puzzle-action RPG!)
Panzer Dragoon Saga
Phantasy Star 2
Shining Force 2,3
Golden Sun:The Lost Age
Skies of Arcadia
Alundra
Beyond Good & Evil (is this an RPG!?, or just an adventure game?)
I see that a lot of people couldn't get into Baldur's Gate 2. I guess there is a learning curve, and I guess you need a love of AD&D to really get into it. I grew up on AD&D
ool of Radiance and Curse of the Azure Bonds, so I was already a D&D fan.