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The Doom II 20th anniversary thread of 19MB's of heavenly joy
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Shadow Hog
Member
The Wikia, or the actual Doom Wiki?
I mean, they were once one and the same, but they split off over some distaste over how Wikia handles things... one such flaw of Wikia being that the administration couldn't close the wiki when they parted ways. So, now that corpse is floating to the top of Google's search rankings while the split-off wiki is dwelling way down low. It's a sad state of affairs.
No. In fact, statements like this are precisely why I friggin' hate the mod. Less for its own faults (and I certainly have grievances with it, such as changing the BFG into a large rocket launcher instead of more of a delayed ultra-shotgun, putting focus on slowing down to line up headshots instead of just shooting things, breaking compatibility with several mods that altered monster behavior on their own, or adding friggin' ADS to Doom), and more for the damned zealots who swarm every single Doom topic to proclaim the mod is the only legitimate way to play a game that is totally playable on its own.
If it were something like "everybody should play this with a good source port", I could agree with you (although we could argue on which one - I'm okay with GZDoom, others PrBoom+, some need total vanilla accuracy and run with Chocolate Doom). But to say a mod that drastically changes the gameplay is absolutely required is bullshit, plain and simple.
Hi, I'm a perfect example of what you're acting like it doesn't exist here! And I know I'm not alone.
Nerdkiller
Membeur
Oh. The Doom Wiki (I thought it would be clear enough as it is, seeing as it was spelt...Doom Wiki, afterall).
Well...
I think he just proved my point when it comes to some players not being acceptive of Brutal Doom at all.
Hellshadow
Member
I recently did an ultra-violence run and this game still holds up beautifully. Love the soundtrack as well.
ichtyander
Member
Some nice galleries with the original enemy models, here and here.
I think my first encounter with Doom was Doom II, my brother copied it from someone on 15 diskettes, so huge.
"Hey, instead of going forward and killing those guys, turn around, there's a chainsaw." Mind blown. And it was on a 486 I think, had to run it in low detail and slightly decreased viewport size. Didn't mind. It was scary as hell but so intense and so so good.
I think my first encounter with Doom was Doom II, my brother copied it from someone on 15 diskettes, so huge.
"Hey, instead of going forward and killing those guys, turn around, there's a chainsaw." Mind blown. And it was on a 486 I think, had to run it in low detail and slightly decreased viewport size. Didn't mind. It was scary as hell but so intense and so so good.Depends if you want to play in Software or OpenGL as each source port exclusively caters to one of them. Alternatively, you could use Zandronum which allows for switching between both modes.
And yeah, people who say that Brutal Doom is heresy are even more annoying than those that swear it's the only way to play it today.
Brutal Doom: Sperglord Edition is exactly the way I personally want to play an oldschool FPS (I'm not using ADS or the added weapons, though) so I guess get over it?
Shadow Hog
Member
You can run GZDoom in Software mode if you want to, actually. Pull down the console, type "vid_renderer 0", restart gzdoom.exe, tada Software renderer. Alternatively, launch it with the command-line parameter "+vid_renderer 0". To reactivate the hardware renderer, do the same with "1" instead of "0".
I believe there'd be some network incompatibilities between GZDoom and ZDoom, granted, but personally I'd use Zandronum for online play regardless. I know it has its detractors, but personally my experience with just using ZDoom/GZDoom itself has been more like what these two came up with.
That's fine. Just don't start telling me everyone has to play the game with it, because far too many people do.
I only played it for the first time a few years ago and I agree. The controls are so tight they will probably never age and the enemies can be brutal but pretty predictable. I played Commander Keen around the same time and the difference is striking.
Nerdkiller
Membeur
Oooh. Which reminds me. I have to start playing BTSX: Episode 2.
MattPeters
Member
Arch Vile are such legendary asshole, I hate them so much.
Hamster Plugin
Member
Oh, it's an anniversary today?
I actually got Doom 3 BFG Edition on PS3 on a sale earlier this year and used my trophy OCD as an excuse to finally play through Doom 1 episode 2-4 and Doom 2 for the first time ever. I had only played Doom 1 episode 1 (shareware) before.
And I did it on ultra-violence difficulty. I kept running out of ammo so I barely used the super shotgun.
I actually got Doom 3 BFG Edition on PS3 on a sale earlier this year and used my trophy OCD as an excuse to finally play through Doom 1 episode 2-4 and Doom 2 for the first time ever. I had only played Doom 1 episode 1 (shareware) before.
And I did it on ultra-violence difficulty. I kept running out of ammo so I barely used the super shotgun.
sacrificengineer
Member
Happy BD, Doom II. Thank you for the memories.
Hope that new Doom will bring new memories worthy of those
Hope that new Doom will bring new memories worthy of those
It's really really great, probably better than the first one
AcceptableGhost
Member
Back to Saturn X is really, really good.
Russell_T_Shackelford
Banned
I never got into the sprite modding, but I did enjoy my Ren & Stimpy mod with the Doomguy face replaced with a progressively-bloodying Stimpy (upgraded to Powdered Toast Man when under the influence of Invulnerability) and the rocket launcher that went "Joy! Joy! Joy! Joy!" (among a slew of other sound changes)
<tear> Lost to the ages.
So what was folks' preferred editor? I started with WADed for a while before getting more comfortable with DCK. And I believe I used DeHackEd for the graphic/sound changes (and simple goofy stuff like turning the player character into a Mancubus fireball or SoulSphere).
I also had a buddy at the time that made a full 32-level DM .wad that was pretty sweet.
My 486-33 pulled it off okay. ;-)
I played this for the first time when it came out on XBLA. The map designs and intensity of some of the battles really set it apart from the first game, despite the nearly identical gameplay. I can't recall specific map names, but I spent entire evenings exploring individual, giant levels, or crawling back through them looking for a scrap of health or ammo. Really great game.
jacob armitage
Banned
Love doom 2. While i prefer the map design and episodes of doom 1, the added enemy variety make doom 2 the superior game.
I'd love to get some people together to play some doom multiplayer! I own it on pc,ps3 and 360.
I'd love to get some people together to play some doom multiplayer! I own it on pc,ps3 and 360.
*ahem*
[pedant]The word you're looking for is "coincidence". Please save the use of "irony" for situations that are actually the opposite of what you would ordinarily expect.[/pedant]
But, yes. Any time is a good time to start playing DooM II.
I feel the same.
Well, I agree with him, generally. It's not necessary and imposes significant transformations on the game. People playing Doom for the first time who want to see what the hubbub is all about should absolutely not play it with Brutal Doom. When people say otherwise, it's kind of annoying because they're basically recommending a different game in lieu of the classic that everyone else is talking about.
Having said that, if you like it, good for you.
I played doom 2 first and was never really able to go back and play 1. I always miss the new stuff.
As for map design I generally played a shit ton of WADs and some co-op. Back in the days when you had to call the other guy with your modem.
AcceptableGhost
Member
Doom 2 is a weird sequel that on the surface doesn't to change much, but the addition of the Super Shotgun & all the new enemies is a tremendous upheaval to the balance of the game (significantly for the better). Also the new enemies are just a lot more interesting to fight. They added JUST enough to "fix" Doom, I guess. My only real complaint is I don't think the maps fully realize the potential of the new enemies in hindsight (if you want to see a wad that does, check out Back to Saturn X on UV).
KittenMaster
Member
Definitely agree with new enemies and SSG perfecting the balance. A lot of people think the SSG is overpowered but the only reason it comes off that way is because DOOM 2 kinda jumps the gun (no pun intended) way too early and gives it in the 2nd stage long before you actually need it and not even in a secret. I guess they felt like they needed to show off the weapon.
Extra Sauce
Member
The arachnotron is adorable. I wish I could have one as a pet.
Disaster Nebraska
Banned
Why is Romero's head doing Jersey Shore duck face?
Sir Ilpalazzo
Member
I totally agree with this. The first Doom is great, and maybe it has more consistently good stages than the second game (not that the second doesn't have great levels), but everything the second game adds is so critical to the Doom formula. It's a really fantastic game.
The Real Abed
Perma-Junior
I need this in my life.
JasonUresti
Member
I now realize that if I am ever stranded somewhere, I can simply summon Shadow Hog by uttering "Brutal Doom Brutal Doom Brutal Doom" and he shall appear to save me (and rant about how awful Brutal Doom is.)
BloodMoney
Banned
I remember being so disappointed by the 'Shores of Hell' chapter as a kid... I actually expected to be fighting on the beach.
Legendary game. While I think the first game has better map design (and so does 64), the new elements of Doom 2 are really great, and it's my favorite game to play mods of. And the Super Shotgun is one of the best weapons in video games.
Holy crap! Zdoom uses P2P for multiplayer? And no prediction on the the client side, something which most games since QuakeWorld do? I can't stop laughing at these videos!
Holy crap! Zdoom uses P2P for multiplayer? And no prediction on the the client side, something which most games since QuakeWorld do? I can't stop laughing at these videos!
sixteen-bit
Member
Happy anniversary. I felt like we just had the Doom 20th.
Red Chocobo
Banned
Ahh, Doom 2.
Back when you needed to look at a map when playing a FPS. Rather than being told where to go.
Back when you needed to look at a map when playing a FPS. Rather than being told where to go.
The dark ambient soundtrack for Playstation Doom is available on Aubrey Hodges' Bandcamp page.
Danny won!
