Chaos2Frozen
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My belief is that they took the de-empowering of RE4 combat too seriously.
But at the same time I think the enemies get all up in our faces too quickly :v
The Evil Within 2 |OT| "Something not quite right"
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My belief is that they took the de-empowering of RE4 combat too seriously.
But at the same time I think the enemies get all up in our faces too quickly :v
darkwing-buck
Member
TEW1 Boss Fights > TEW2 Boss Fights
I'm close to finishing up the game, disappointed nothing has come close to the Twin Safehead boss fight from the og.
I'm close to finishing up the game, disappointed nothing has come close to the Twin Safehead boss fight from the og.
This is how I'm feeling. I thought that EW1 tried way too hard and lacked any subtlety in the process. But here I don't feel anything in the environment. It's just series of poorly lit hub towns and buildings.
I like the first game's bosses better in terms of design and concept. But I think the gameplay itself is better in the boss fights in this one. And this one also has a much stronger final boss.
Reposting for top of page, curious where people would put their saves for a classic mode run. This was my approach:
That would be a beast, way harder than Akumu.
SlasherJPC
Banned
I personally love sequels that take core ideas, change styles, and improve. I know some prefer a "more of the same but better" motif, but I always love seeing games step out of their comfort zone.
Keihart
Member
So i hated the first game beacause it's jankyness and how boring the combat mostly always just being sections of stealth or action with no real options to be creative about it.
I'm on the edge about this one tho, i might give it a chance, it looks way more polished gameplay and concept wise. If i'm not mistaken i even see some original visual horror concepts in the trailer instead of just rehashed ones?
I always thought that the only good part of the first game for me was the art desing, but even then it was lacking cohesiveness and some twists on its tributes, is this one better? anyone playing it that wasn't a fan of the first one?
I'm on the edge about this one tho, i might give it a chance, it looks way more polished gameplay and concept wise. If i'm not mistaken i even see some original visual horror concepts in the trailer instead of just rehashed ones?
I always thought that the only good part of the first game for me was the art desing, but even then it was lacking cohesiveness and some twists on its tributes, is this one better? anyone playing it that wasn't a fan of the first one?
Yep. Hated the first game, love this one. It's better in every way.
Sanctuary
Member
OK, either there's something seriously wrong with head shots in this game, or stealth attacks are essentially rockets.
Again, I ended up killing the
with four stealth attacks. The next one I head shot with three sniper rifle rounds, eight pistol (60% critical chance) rounds and six upgraded shotgun blasts to the face and it still didn't die. Maybe on this particular enemy
What the hell...
Except combat, creature designs, location designs and aesthetics. Pretty much everything important in this type of game. Maybe performance is better on the consoles, but not everyone playing it on PC had issues. This game on the other hand seems to somehow perform worse on PC.
Again, I ended up killing the
O'Neal clones
a light mask can stop an armor piercing bullet.
What the hell...
Except combat, creature designs, location designs and aesthetics. Pretty much everything important in this type of game. Maybe performance is better on the consoles, but not everyone playing it on PC had issues. This game on the other hand seems to somehow perform worse on PC.
also on chapter 3 and also crouch-walking every step of the way to stealthkill those monsters.
I made the mistake to go first to
the church (is it a church? there's this altar and a guy asking for forgiveness that turns into a beast)
feels weird, Chapter 3 is like a Zelda town in horror settings
"hey I could go to the roof of that house! is there a ladder somewhere?"
I am having fun and liking it, but it's nothing like the first game, I can't say I am disappointed by this, I guess I am still standing on a neutral ground, I need to play more to see if this game will win me over on its own merits.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
For anyone confused about the ghost lady, here's some major spoilers. Technically the spoilers only go up to Chapter 11, but the ghost has a subplot that's really easy to miss:
Hope that helps some for those who were confused by it.
There are three ghost side-quest, and doing all three and then doing the final one unlocks a hidden scene of Sebastian finding himself, but on-top of this there's various memory residues, files, and environmental story elements related to the ghost hidden throughout the game. Most don't state they're related to the ghost, you have to sort of piece it together. The Ghost Lady is actually what is turning everyone in Union into the Lost, you may notice in the Church in Chapter 3 before the priest turns he has his soul sucked out like the ghost's death animation and then turns into a Lost. In the ghost's death animation, you may notice that right before it cuts to black that Sebastian is turning into a Lost. They're called Lost because they're basically virtual people in the world that have literally lost their souls/consciousness. Various residues talk about people in STEM who began to see some invisible force that was coming through the walls and getting closer and closer to them, no one else seemed to see it and it was terrifying them. In Chapter 11, Mobius is looking into why people turn into Lost. It's revealed that 0.005% of people in STEM turned into Lost before this recent outbreak, people in STEM would regain their old memories while within STEM (like some of the side-quests you do in TEW2, including the ghost side-quests), but the moment they began to remember themselves and question where or why they were here, they began to panic and claim something was following them and coming for them, but Mobius couldn't determine what or find any signals.
They first thought it was related to their memory wiping process, but then people in Mobius began to turn too, starting with the person who was watching over the Pit they were dropping the Lost into where the third and final Ghost side-quest is (and a small detail is the guy before he was turned into a Lost and haunted by the ghost claims he can hear the voices of the Lost in the pit despite that should be impossible, while YOU can hear the voices in the pit before the Ghost side-quest, but after you have regained yourself the voices in the pit disappear). You may notice when you encounter the Ghost, reality changes into the blue-tinted world, which reflect the STEM world but is also different) when you encounter her in Chapter 3 in the overworld, you may notice that the overworld changes slightly, all enemies despawn, items missing, some other small changes), which is related to another side-quest talking about the 'deeper layers' of STEM, aka deeper parts of the subconscious. When in the Ghost's presence and susceptible to her, you slip into a deeper layer of STEM. In the original Evil Within, even Ruvik comments in a file how he saw Laura's ghost down a hallway and knows that she's alive, and how he describes her is REALLY similar to the ghost you encounter in TEW2 (the Ghost undoubtedly resembles Laura, and in the original file one of the comments Ruvik makes in particular is about her hair flowing, which the Ghost does a lot of).
There's a lot left to theorizing, but I think the end you get if you do all three side-quests relates to this. The Ghost is part of a deeper layer of STEM implanted by Ruvik in Laura's image, one he doesn't even know he created and one he doesn't control. Ruvik was haunted by his memories, and they conjure themselves up in the image of Laura. Ruvik created STEM specifically for Laura, that was the whole reason he made it. Mobius created their own STEM from Ruvik's framework and thought they purged all of Ruvik from the system, but as we learn from Sykes in a Chapter 13 side-quest that there's still some deeper layers of STEM that even Mobius is not fully aware of, and there's layers of STEM if you enter they have no known method how one can escape from, one will be trapped forever inside STEM if they enter some of the deeper layers of STEM. The Ghost (who's official name is 'Anima') is from one of these deeper layers, and she surfaces and begins to haunt those who are haunted by their own memories like Ruvik was. There is a HUGE outbreak of this when the Core is lost, the world literally breaking apart and people regaining their memories conflicting with their new ones and the people of Mobius beginning to regret what they've done is what starts causing everyone to turn into Lost, as this state of being haunted by a part of one's own self and memories allows the ghost within STEM to come for you. It's also why Sebastian ultimately no longer see's the Ghost after the final side-quest when he puts the lost, scared, and scarred part of himself 'still trapped in STEM' to rest.
They first thought it was related to their memory wiping process, but then people in Mobius began to turn too, starting with the person who was watching over the Pit they were dropping the Lost into where the third and final Ghost side-quest is (and a small detail is the guy before he was turned into a Lost and haunted by the ghost claims he can hear the voices of the Lost in the pit despite that should be impossible, while YOU can hear the voices in the pit before the Ghost side-quest, but after you have regained yourself the voices in the pit disappear). You may notice when you encounter the Ghost, reality changes into the blue-tinted world, which reflect the STEM world but is also different) when you encounter her in Chapter 3 in the overworld, you may notice that the overworld changes slightly, all enemies despawn, items missing, some other small changes), which is related to another side-quest talking about the 'deeper layers' of STEM, aka deeper parts of the subconscious. When in the Ghost's presence and susceptible to her, you slip into a deeper layer of STEM. In the original Evil Within, even Ruvik comments in a file how he saw Laura's ghost down a hallway and knows that she's alive, and how he describes her is REALLY similar to the ghost you encounter in TEW2 (the Ghost undoubtedly resembles Laura, and in the original file one of the comments Ruvik makes in particular is about her hair flowing, which the Ghost does a lot of).
There's a lot left to theorizing, but I think the end you get if you do all three side-quests relates to this. The Ghost is part of a deeper layer of STEM implanted by Ruvik in Laura's image, one he doesn't even know he created and one he doesn't control. Ruvik was haunted by his memories, and they conjure themselves up in the image of Laura. Ruvik created STEM specifically for Laura, that was the whole reason he made it. Mobius created their own STEM from Ruvik's framework and thought they purged all of Ruvik from the system, but as we learn from Sykes in a Chapter 13 side-quest that there's still some deeper layers of STEM that even Mobius is not fully aware of, and there's layers of STEM if you enter they have no known method how one can escape from, one will be trapped forever inside STEM if they enter some of the deeper layers of STEM. The Ghost (who's official name is 'Anima') is from one of these deeper layers, and she surfaces and begins to haunt those who are haunted by their own memories like Ruvik was. There is a HUGE outbreak of this when the Core is lost, the world literally breaking apart and people regaining their memories conflicting with their new ones and the people of Mobius beginning to regret what they've done is what starts causing everyone to turn into Lost, as this state of being haunted by a part of one's own self and memories allows the ghost within STEM to come for you. It's also why Sebastian ultimately no longer see's the Ghost after the final side-quest when he puts the lost, scared, and scarred part of himself 'still trapped in STEM' to rest.
Hope that helps some for those who were confused by it.
Keihart
Member
From my perspective, TLoU has way better combat mechanics than TEW 1 even if is not as combat heavy. That game gives you real options when fighting, you don't have many weapons but you have tools that give you real options when fighting, and every inconvinience intruced to gameplay has intention (like swaying of aim and crafting not pausing the game)
TEW1 has ...god hit reactions when shooting? and what more? a whole lot of nothing, that's what. Tha game encounters is all about the level desing and even then i think it falls short when comparing it to TLoU.
Man i hate the first game, i started playing it with so much hope for it on release day, such a let down.
Chaos2Frozen
Member
Youre playing TEW wrongly if you think you dont have options in that game. The agony crossbow alone is an entire tool kit by itself. Then theres the humble matches which are a resource saving godsend.
In fact one of the main thing I like from the first game are the different ways to engage groups of enemies
Fancy Clown
Member
Can you stun Lost with bottles like you could in the first game? I think I might have done it once but I'm not sure. Much harder to aim with the bottles this time around, too. I usually miss.
robotzombie
Member
Any suggestions on best gun upgrades to aim for? I'm thinking of just going nuts on the shotgun at the moment
d00d3n
Member
There is an ability in the Stealth skill three that let's you do this (if I understand correctly). Costs 4000 green goo
Chaos2Frozen
Member
I think I pulled it off once? But the enemies in this game rush your position so much faster that you dont get to pull it off and capitalize on it.
Damage damage damage lol.
For handguns get the crit bonus, for both handgun and shotgun invest as least once into movement while aiming.
Smoke and harpoon bolts are good investment, if the max harpoon is as any good as the first game its a must have
It's annoying. They make aiming a total bitch but also make these enemies gang up on us. No, brehs, no. Bad dev. I really don't get it. Making your game play bad isn't going to make it scarier.
Fancy Clown
Member
That one uses a bottle to break out of enemy grabs (unless there's another bottle skill I missed), I'm talking about tossing one at their heads to stagger them for a melee kill.
d00d3n
Member
The aiming seems pretty fair in the PC version with mouse + keyboard controls imo.
You are right about that, the ability is only for breaking out of grabs
Yeah works the same way as first game, like the first game the bottle is my favorite weapon.
You can still do that but it doesn't feel like it lasts very long, personally I haven't been using it much at all.
SlasherJPC
Banned
I threw a bottle at at an enemy charging at me. Zero fucks given. Not the way to play this one. Lol
I'm playing on PC but with a controller, cuz I enjoy comfy couch gaming. Unfortunately 60fps is unreachable on my machine, so I'm due with the cinematic framerate.
Fancy Clown
Member
Hmmm maybe I'll just attampt the bottle-at-head technique when they don't see me yet and I can't go in for an easy stealth kill
I use it when they charge at me no problem, just have to make sure it's head shot.
Fancy Clown
Member
Every time I've tried it = me being dead. These dudes are so fast.
Do you crouch throw? I've been throwing while crouching due to first game as standing has too much animation. Haven't tried standing up so dunno if that could be the issue.
Having a real good time with it. Damn tripwire's get me every time though.
https://youtu.be/7jSGF6WRGiU
https://youtu.be/7jSGF6WRGiU
SlasherJPC
Banned
Yeah I played the whole game with m/kb and no aim assist and generally didn't have many issues with the aiming/combat apart from some annoying hitboxes up close when using the pistol.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
They also have
a one-hit kill attack if they manage to grab you involving acid to the face. The scream they do also rapidly depletes your Stamina if you're in vicinity of it, making it harder to run away.
I played using 360 control on pc with no aim assists and didn't have any issues other than when they get too close due to reason you stated.
d00d3n
Member
It doesn't feel unbalanced either as far as I have played. The pistol is slow enough that you don't want to run into encounters blasting away, but accurate enough that you can easily take out a single enemy or two with head shots if stealth fails.
TheSpaceBetween
Member
The Last of Us does not have 1/bajillionth of the options that The Evil Within gives you. What game were you playing?
Inkvoterad
Member
d00d3n
Member
Is that the enemy that patrols in the armory? Seemed to be unkillable, so I stealthed past and ran out after getting the shotgun.
Thewonandonly
Junior Member
Damn getting to 4000 is hard :O
Nemesis_
Member
On Nightmare, they take two stealth attacks to kill. Not sure if it's less in other difficulties.
Yea I'm not seeing it either, TLOU had Uncharted gunplay mixed with stealth emphasis and a few run-of-the-mill combat tools. It didn't seem like there were a lot of ways to approach each combat encounter beyond that.
Those issues extend to Evil Within 2 as well. Stealth kill is too powerful and efficient compared to your other options, in terms of resource conservation the best approach is almost always to stealth kill, and if you're spotted run away so that you can go back to stealth killing. This is especially true on Nightmare.
Classic kind of remedies this because you can't upgrade your guns or abilities anyway, so there's no real incentive to engage enemies in the first place unless you absolutely have to.
On Nightmare and below, there's instead this weird disconnect between needing to avoid enemies, vs. needing to kill them to get gel for upgrading.
d00d3n
Member
It's this enemy, which you first encounter wandering around the first hub area:
Ahhh, it must be a different enemy then. The one in the armory was a whiteish zombie with a knife
Yeah, I love those ones too. They're super-fast and super-resilient.
darkwing-buck
Member
damn, that's badass