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[nnytk]

Khazan is certainly one of the hardest soulslike games. Most gamers will be stuck on some bosses for hours, if they play on normal with zero summons. Possibly the hardest soulslike, only behind Sekiro, at least for me

The level design vastly improves compared to the demo, but it is on par or slightly better than Nioh 2. A lot of people have complained about visually grey and brown colors. It hasn't bothered me, but should be noted. Enemy designs are very good with a lot of variety, imo

Loot is like Nioh but way more streamlined. It's not overly convoluted

Tempting to dive into it... I still haven't finished Sekiro. But I am feeling something more casual or Nioh-like. Sekiro has a rather depressing atmosphere. Nioh feels more arcadey.

I might get Khazan later this week. Even though I have many games to play

 

[NT80]

If you think lies of p or nioh have better combat than Bloodborne or Sekiro I feel for you.

Haven't played Lies of P and only the demo of Khazan but Nioh's melee combat is the best of the rest. The depth, variety of weapons and options are beyond the rest.

 

[Kacho]

Rangkus was badass

 

[TheDarkPhantom]

Oh yeah:

Special ending + normal playthrough done! After about 20 failed attempts yesterday I came back today and managed to do it in 3, even had a healing potion left to spare lol. Unfortunately the "no summons" trophy cannot be done in NG+ so if I want the plat I need to start a new playthrough. Also, sidequest related trophies are bugged, seeing if the suggested workaround works now, basically need to clear all side quests in one sitting.

I'm going to gather my thoughts before making one final post on what I thought about the game overall but based on my previous posts it should come as no surprise that I loved it.

Edit: yup, it worked. You can just replay all side missions, don't need to run through the whole level, just teleport to the bonfire closest to the boss. Need 1 more trophy to plat, decisions decisions lol

 

[Mister Wolf]

Day 2
Still stuck on Viper
Send help

Focus on just dodging his second phase until he calms down.

 

[phant0m]

Sooooo is this better than Wukong?

 

[TheDarkPhantom]

Sooooo is this better than Wukong?

No, I got the plat for Wukong and think it is superior in almost every way. Having said that, this is more a "traditional" Souls-like and very different in it's mission based structure borrowing heavily from Nioh. Put simply, if you like this genre then chances are you will like this.

 

[Newuserdontflame]

Sooooo is this better than Wukong?

Way better.

 

[coachmcguirk91]

Way better.

The only thing Wukong does better is graphics and presentation. The combat is nowhere near as deep as Khazan

 

[TheDarkPhantom]

The only thing Wukong does better is graphics and presentation

And story and characters and voice acting and level design and more varied/creative boss battles and...shall I go on? Khazan is great though and what someone ultimately prefers is highly subjective though there are things that are *objectively* true.

 

[Gonzito]

Sooooo is this better than Wukong?

The combat is. The graphics and presentation obviously no

 

[phant0m]

The combat is. The graphics and presentation obviously no

Yeah i meant gameplay/structure

 

[TheDarkPhantom]

Decided to do one more run for that final trophy to plat, going with spear this time

 

[Zacfoldor]

The combat is. The graphics and presentation obviously no

Keeping in mind that when first many played Wukong it was in a very shit state, on PS5. Frame rate issues, graphics issues, no map, ect.

I still loved it.

For souls fans, graphics should be pretty low on the list. Would anyone here rather play Horizon or Assassin's Creed Shadows. I don't even consider those real games. They are hobby horses for tourists.

If you tell me the combat is better, then the game is better. Full stop.

As far as that one dude in this thread saying Nioh 2 didn't have gameplay comparable with Fromsoft? You are so, so wrong wow.

 

[manlisten]

Sooooo is this better than Wukong?

I’m enjoying the combat more than Wukong.

 

[Ovech-King]

Just booted the game yesterday and wow does the art direction looks good .

 

[coachmcguirk91]

Keeping in mind that when first many played Wukong it was in a very shit state, on PS5. Frame rate issues, graphics issues, no map, ect.

I still loved it.

For souls fans, graphics should be pretty low on the list. Would anyone here rather play Horizon or Assassin's Creed Shadows. I don't even consider those real games. They are hobby horses for tourists.

If you tell me the combat is better, then the game is better. Full stop.

As far as that one dude in this thread saying Nioh 2 didn't have gameplay comparable with Fromsoft? You are so, so wrong wow.

I can enjoy different genres of games with average combat, as long as other areas like presentation and story are amazing. Ghost of Tsushima was like that for me. When it comes to the straight action games, it's all about whether combat is great or not. I don't think I have ever attempted to follow a story in a soulslike game. It truly does not matter at all to me

 

[Newuserdontflame]

And story and characters and voice acting and level design and more varied/creative boss battles and...shall I go on? Khazan is great though and what someone ultimately prefers is highly subjective though there are things that are *objectively* true.

I would say almost every boss in wukong boils down to mash regular attack and spam your abilities. Like the newer God of War games. There are instances when you need some skill but Berserker does combat in general far better in my opinion. You have to memorize attack patterns instead of just spamming special abilities.

I’ve always felt the same about GOW 2018 + Ragnarok. Smash attack and wait for your abilities to cool down. Wukong is the same way. The only time that combat actually feels satisfying is when you have to fight Sigrun, because spamming specials just isn’t enough. Same for the ending boss and that one optional real tough fight in Wukong.

 

[Newuserdontflame]

Keeping in mind that when first many played Wukong it was in a very shit state, on PS5. Frame rate issues, graphics issues, no map, ect.

I still loved it.

For souls fans, graphics should be pretty low on the list. Would anyone here rather play Horizon or Assassin's Creed Shadows. I don't even consider those real games. They are hobby horses for tourists.

If you tell me the combat is better, then the game is better. Full stop.

As far as that one dude in this thread saying Nioh 2 didn't have gameplay comparable with Fromsoft? You are so, so wrong wow.

Damn that one dude!

I’m not saying they aren’t comparable, that would be silly. I’m saying games like Sekiro and Bloodborne aren’t rivaled in terms of gameplay by Nioh. Or in any other aspect for that matter.

 

[coachmcguirk91]

I would say almost every boss in wukong boils down to mash regular attack and spam your abilities. Like the newer God of War games. There are instances when you need some skill but Berserker does combat in general far better in my opinion. You have to memorize attack patterns instead of just spamming special abilities.

I’ve always felt the same about GOW 2018 + Ragnarok. Smash attack and wait for your abilities to cool down. Wukong is the same way. The only time that combat actually feels satisfying is when you have to fight Sigrun, because spamming specials just isn’t enough. Same for the ending boss and that one optional real tough fight in Wukong.

Combat in so many games would be greatly elevated if they got rid of timed cooldowns. It is so much more rewarding when the game forces you to go on offense to gain the ability to use specials. Nothing worse than running around an arena waiting to use an ability. It's easily my number 1 issue with combat in most action games, especially GOW.

 

[nnytk]

coachmcguirk91 I bought it digitally this afternoon. Playing it tomorrow if I get around to it

Hype!

 

[TheDarkPhantom]

Berserker does combat in general far better in my opinion.

I agree Khazan has the edge when it comes to combat

 

[Kacho]

Jesus Christ, Maluca’s second phase…

Edit: finally got him. That second phase was elaborate but I got it.

 

[Bartski]

guess I'm nearing the final boss and I still haven't used a summon. Damn that Hismar fight was peak anime.

 

[_Idea_of_Evil_]

I love how Khazan's character design and the different armor sets evoke Nightmare and Sigfried from Soul Calibur when using a greatsword.

Spoiler

I beat Trokka earlier tonight, such a good fight.

 

[Orpheum]

bought it after enjoying the Demo a lot and i don't regret it at all.

however a small gripe i have is that the bosses are reeeeally hard and time consuming. while this in itself isn't an issue, the problem with for example the viper bossfight is that health and healing items don't get restored for phase 2 which is a full bossfight again.

i feel kind of ashamed because i've finished all soulsborne games and sekiro but i had to switch to "easy" difficulty after sinking around 1.5 hours into the boss. i just don't have that amount of time to spend on a game anymore. adide from that i really enjoy the game and it's definitely worth a buy

 

[Bartski]

Final Boss. I'm done for the day, fairly consistently getting to the second phase. I'm hearing there is a third one. Hope to wrap things up tomorrow.

It's amazing how this game lands on S tier, as soon as you make enough progress to make those few, insanely bad design ideas, that truly hamper early game, irrelevant

 

[NT80]

Damn that one dude!

I’m not saying they aren’t comparable, that would be silly. I’m saying games like Sekiro and Bloodborne aren’t rivaled in terms of gameplay by Nioh. Or in any other aspect for that matter.

I know they do many things better than Nioh but when it comes to combat what puts them so far ahead?

 

[Bartski]

 

[Giallo Corsa]

bought it after enjoying the Demo a lot and i don't regret it at all.

however a small gripe i have is that the bosses are reeeeally hard and time consuming. while this in itself isn't an issue, the problem with for example the viper bossfight is that health and healing items don't get restored for phase 2 which is a full bossfight again.

i feel kind of ashamed because i've finished all soulsborne games and sekiro but i had to switch to "easy" difficulty after sinking around 1.5 hours into the boss. i just don't have that amount of time to spend on a game anymore. adide from that i really enjoy the game and it's definitely worth a buy

1.5 hours on Viper and you called it quits ? Try 3 days straight

Jokes aside, I agree, there's a difference between satisfaction and frustration, spending hours on a boss fight prohibiting any kind of advancement is just no bueno at my age anymore.

 

[Kacho]

Man.. Elamein is so badass. I love her moveset… all I see is the lightning Crusader from Diablo 3. Wish I could play as her.

I have the feeling the creator is a big fan of Blizzard in general. This game gives me a similar vibe to older Blizzard games, in a good way.

 

[coachmcguirk91]

bought it after enjoying the Demo a lot and i don't regret it at all.

however a small gripe i have is that the bosses are reeeeally hard and time consuming. while this in itself isn't an issue, the problem with for example the viper bossfight is that health and healing items don't get restored for phase 2 which is a full bossfight again.

i feel kind of ashamed because i've finished all soulsborne games and sekiro but i had to switch to "easy" difficulty after sinking around 1.5 hours into the boss. i just don't have that amount of time to spend on a game anymore. adide from that i really enjoy the game and it's definitely worth a buy

The frustration with Viper is that your health and stamina are so brutally low in early game. It's like one or two missed parries and you are staggered. Highly recommend investing in skill that reduces stamina damina while guarding