The Future of Treasure?
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Glaring flaws? Sure, chances of localization would be higher, but if you want to play the game on a tiny screen with a stylus blocking the action and compromised controls, then be my guest.Hero said:
Time for ownage.
After this he DARES to post the following:
Can we have a ban? He's obviously using double standards here to propagate his fanboy desires however he wants to twist it. Of course to top it off he then asks:
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Hero said:
After this he DARES to post the following:
Hero said:
Hero said:
Hero said:
Can we have a ban? He's obviously using double standards here to propagate his fanboy desires however he wants to twist it. Of course to top it off he then asks:
Hero said:
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Double standard? Okay, I'll reserve anymore judgement on consumerism relating to the PSP until we hear about the launch price and titles, but most likely it would be similar to the Japanese launch.
But if somehow equating a US S&P release as being a port/rehash to the earlier comments regarding PSP titles such as Ridge Racers, Hot Shots Golf, and Dynasty Warriors then I don't know what to say to you anymore.
But if somehow equating a US S&P release as being a port/rehash to the earlier comments regarding PSP titles such as Ridge Racers, Hot Shots Golf, and Dynasty Warriors then I don't know what to say to you anymore.
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I REALLY hope that a Gunstar Heroes sequel is the future of Treasure.
Hero said:
I agree!
You don't know what to say? Because I caught you at your game? Seriously, you're asking for a PORT of S&P on the DS -just- to get a US version to save 10 bucks because you don't want to import the N64 version. Meanwhile, you undermine the PSP launch (which is the strongest launch EVER for any new system) by claiming that Ridge Racers, Hots Shots Golf and Dynasty Warriors on the PSP are games that "you can get on the PS2" when not only are you mistaken about what they are, you haven't even played them!
Let's say this slowly one more time because you're riding the short bus to make sure we understand you.
Port of a several years old N64 game which uses analog control and the N64 controller really well on the DS which has less buttons, no analog and likely a weak excuse of dual screen usage JUST so there might be a chance the game is released in english so you can save 10 bucks on the game = GOOD
Original games on the PSP based on established franchises on the PS2 which bring completely new content to the portable while offering the same style and gameplay that was so loved on the PS2 and are NOT ports or remakes = BAD
Gotcha. :lol
I dunno... calling Ridge Racers or Shin Sengoku Musou "completely new content " is a little misleading. They're actually reusing more than simply the established franchises with these "remixes".duckroll said:
Also, who's to say a DS "remix" of Sin & Punishment couldn't be similar to Ridge Racers and SSM, adding some new content, gameplay extensions and options on top of the old structures... like Mario 64 DS? I'd say your little logic game with Hero actually works against you as well.
jarrod said:I dunno... calling Ridge Racers or Shin Sengoku Musou "completely new content " is a little misleading. They're actually reusing more than simply the established franchises with these "remixes".
Also, who's to say a DS "remix" of Sin & Punishment couldn't be similar to Ridge Racers and SSM, adding some new content, gameplay extensions and options on top of the old structures... like Mario 64 DS? I'd say your little logic game with Hero actually works against you as well.
Mario 64 DS is a port. Ridge Racer DS is a port. Look this isn't about them being good or bad games, they're ports. Ridge Racers, Dynasty Warriors PSP and Hot Shots Golf PSP are NOT ports. They're not simple "remixes" either. They're very much a new game in the franchise (especially Ridge Racers) just on the PSP instead.
He did not ask for a sequel or a remix to S&P, he wanted a port because he can't be bothered to spend 50 bucks on the N64 import which he agrees is readily available. With a mindset like this, should he be allowed to call the PSP out on being a machine with "PS2 ports" when they're not even ports? He's a completely biased fanboy troll.
I have nothing against people looking forward to S&P DS if it's announced, but to start a thread and then suggest that Treasure port S&P to the DS right after making some uneducated comment about how the PSP games are "all available on the PS2 already" is unacceptable.
My logic does not work against me because I'm insulting or praising either system, this is about his attitude. You're a smart man jarrod, stop siding with the moron here.
Edit: For the record I'm against ports and rehashs for EITHER handheld system. I've blasted Nintendo for launching the DS with a Mario64 and Ridge Racer64 port and I'm calling out Tales studios for porting ToE to the PSP. I'm not thrilled about Poporocrois either. But it seems Mr Hero here isn't clear on his stance at all. Ports on DS = okay, PS2 franchise games on the PSP = not okay. See the problem?
duckroll said:Mario 64 DS is a port. Ridge Racer DS is a port. Look this isn't about them being good or bad games, they're ports. Ridge Racers, Dynasty Warriors PSP and Hot Shots Golf PSP are NOT ports. They're not simple "remixes" either. They're very much a new game in the franchise (especially Ridge Racers) just on the PSP instead.
He did not ask for a sequel or a remix to S&P, he wanted a port because he can't be bothered to spend 50 bucks on the N64 import which he agrees is readily available. With a mindset like this, should he be allowed to call the PSP out on being a machine with "PS2 ports" when they're not even ports? He's a completely biased fanboy troll.
I have nothing against people looking forward to S&P DS if it's announced, but to start a thread and then suggest that Treasure port S&P to the DS right after making some uneducated comment about how the PSP games are "all available on the PS2 already" is unacceptable.
My logic does not work against me because I'm insulting or praising either system, this is about his attitude. You're a smart man jarrod, stop siding with the moron here.
This is exactly what I said
It seems my definition of port and your definition of port differ vastly.
Somehow you took my 'It'd be really great if Treasure could rework S&P for the DS' comment as me suggesting that Treasure should ONLY work on that. How? I don't know how you did that. Why don't you tell me how to twist words into your type of 'logic' so I can be as informed as you are?
And I didn't say it was readily available. If I wanted to I'm sure I could find it at some import site but it's not like I can walk down the street and pick it up.
Hero said:
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This is my stance, which I have never forced onto anyone else:
Sin and Punishment DS = Never released before in the U.S. Great~!
Ridge Racer PSP / Hot Shots Golf PSP / Dynasty Warriors PSP = 'New' release in the franchise, vastly different from earlier, U.S. released versions. Meh.
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But it is readily available.Hero said:
http://www.otaku.com/cgi-bin/itemview.asp?itemid=58779r&referer=froogle
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8159718419&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8159575736&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8149952344&rd=1&ssPageName=WD1V
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8159846661&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
http://www.estarland.com/index.asp?page=Nintendo64&cat=AA&product=17083&q
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-6r-15-sin-70-494.html
Granted, it has sold out of several shops since the last time I posted links to buy it, likely thanks to other gaffers who have less hangups about importing.
My definition of 'not readily available' is when a game goes for $100 or more on the secondhand market or when I have to use a deputy service to buy a copy on Yahoo Japan because I can't find it anywhere else. S&P is common enough and in low enough demand that anybody who wants to play it should own a copy by now.jiji said:But it is readily available.
http://www.otaku.com/cgi-bin/itemview.asp?itemid=58779r&referer=froogle
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8159718419&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8159575736&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8149952344&rd=1&ssPageName=WD1V
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8159846661&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
http://www.estarland.com/index.asp?page=Nintendo64&cat=AA&product=17083&q
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-6r-15-sin-70-494.html
Granted, it has sold out of several shops since the last time I posted links to buy it, likely thanks to other gaffers who have less hangups about importing.
I have no hangups on importing. I do however, have hangups on importing N64 games that are as expensive, if not more, than current generation imports. A lot of your links are used copies. The eBay ones are going for 50 something dollars (after shipping and what not) and the Play-Asia one is 64.90 pre-owned. Maybe dropping 70 dollars on last gen imports is not much to you, but for me it's a little bit of a stretch. Even so, I don't even have my N64 hooked up, so I don't see what's wrong with me rather having it released on a system I'm going to play for the next few years and not have to open up to do so. Not to mention paying almost half price if it were released (assuming 29.99 retail).
Regardless, this is a tangent of my discussion anyway. I did not say that I wanted Treasure to stop any development of any games they were working on just so they could port Sin and Punishment to DS. All I meant was that it would be nice if it happened, and I don't think it's a ludicrous wish, seeing as how Ikaruga was made/ported to Gamecube with a handful of staff members and that we had three quality releases from Treasure in 2004 alone.
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By the way jiji I meant to say "I never said that it wasn't readily available."
Wait, Mario 64 DS still adds significant content and mechanics though over the N64 original. Similarly Ridge Racers is actually more of a RR series compilation and DW PSP is essentially a tweaked DW4. You're being deceptive here, all those games are mainly recycled content with extras or tweakes here and there... saying "Mario 64 DS is a port" while also saying Ridge Racers is "very much a new game in the franchise" strikes as fundamentally disingenious. It'd be like me saying Zoo Keeper DS isn't a port while Puyo Pop Fever PSP is.duckroll said:
I agree with all this. If someone's blasting PSP for not offering anything "new", begging for DS ports seems a bit off to say the least.duckroll said:
Except that despite a few new gameplay additions, Ridge Racers a DW PSP are both mostly recycled content too, and HSG seems highly derivative also. I'm seeing double standards all over the place here.duckroll said:My logic does not work against me because I'm insulting or praising either system, this is about his attitude. You're a smart man jarrod, stop siding with the moron here.
Edit: For the record I'm against ports and rehashs for EITHER handheld system. I've blasted Nintendo for launching the DS with a Mario64 and Ridge Racer64 port and I'm calling out Tales studios for porting ToE to the PSP. I'm not thrilled about Poporocrois either. But it seems Mr Hero here isn't clear on his stance at all. Ports on DS = okay, PS2 franchise games on the PSP = not okay. See the problem?
jarrod said:
I didn't say the PSP didn't offer anything new at all. However, a large number of titles of the JPN launch were very similar to past iterations of the same franchises it seems. Metal Gear Ac!d and Lumines are brand new, and I look forward to them. I wasn't begging for any port for the last time, I said it would be really convenient and nice for S&P to get released on DS in the United States. While it may be a port/remix/rework/whatever, it is something that MOST gamers have not had a chance to play, so in my eyes, it's acceptable.
Similarly, if there was a PS2 title that never saw U.S. release but found its way on PSP for United States, great. It's going to be a new game for most people.
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I'm usually content to pay the going rate for an import (old or new) that's retained its value if it's less than $70 or so, especially if the alternative is not playing the game at all. I included that P-A link last because of the price, but kept it because they're a reliable store. The reality with imports is that you're not going to get a new copy a year or more after a game's release. Regardless, S&P was pretty easy to buy new from importers for about a year or two following its release, and it wasn't much more than $50, iirc. My usual gaming habits don't leave me with much patience for those who don't take every opportunity to play the good stuff.Hero said:
Anyway, enough of that. I see Treasure continuing with their usual licensed projects and probably some collaborations on the same. Let's just hope there's more projects in the vein of Astro Boy and Gradius V than ones like that Dragon Drive collaboration with Bandai. Treasure partnering with Konami for more projects can only be a good thing. I wouldn't be surprised to see another Iuchi-authored shooter show up in the next couple of years, either - probably on Taito's Type X system. And since they've lost their aversion to sequels, it'd be nice to see a new Alien Soldier (PSP! PSP!).
FortNinety
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Forget Konami and Capcom, I wouldn't mind seeing Treasure pimp their backlog of games via compliation discs. I'm certain there's a decent demand at this point.