On my third watch now and im even starting to rethink my stance on Mckellen, there are a few faults in delivery I can find which really irk me (When he gives sting to Bilbo in particular) but its still very good.
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The Hobbit - Official Thread of Officially In Production
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SiegfriedFM
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He was not flawless in LotR either. I'm particularly annoyed by his dialogue with Saruman in the chamber, where he mutters "Yes, Sauron" as if he's talking to Sauron himself.
That doesn't stop most of his stuff from being excellent though.
At this point I'd be fine if this is how it went:
Ori: "Hey Gandalf, why couldn't those Eagles just fly us all the way to the Lonely Mountain?"
Gandalf: "It's a fantasy movie. We've got giant mutant elephants and magic horses, don't worry about it."
Ori: "Magic horses!?"
Gandalf: "Just Google it, I don't care."
Ori: "Hey Gandalf, why couldn't those Eagles just fly us all the way to the Lonely Mountain?"
Gandalf: "It's a fantasy movie. We've got giant mutant elephants and magic horses, don't worry about it."
Ori: "Magic horses!?"
Gandalf: "Just Google it, I don't care."
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
Bilbo and the party dominated the marketing for AUJ as you'd expect, with Bilbo getting the honour of the official poster. But what of The Desolation of Smaug?
Will they want to reveal Smaug in mere posters and such or will they focus on the Elves and Men this time?
Tauriel maybe or Legolas/Thranduil.
Or generic dragon fire.
Will they want to reveal Smaug in mere posters and such or will they focus on the Elves and Men this time?
Tauriel maybe or Legolas/Thranduil.
Or generic dragon fire.
Napalm_Frank
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Edmond Dantès;53317821 said:
Oh there will be Legolas marketing. Lots of it.
While we are at it they should do shirtless Legolas+Fili+Kili ads.
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
Plus shirtless Bard and Thranduil.
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
Stephen Fry should also feature in the marketing campaign
fredrancour
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Yeah, my female friends refer to fili, kili, and thorin as "the hot ones," and feel very similarly about Thranduil and Legolas. They're crazy if they don't market the hell out of those guys.
They should also focus heavily on teasing darker, dangerous things and completely hide radagast to win back people who thought Radagast was awful and the Goblin king was too "dreamworksy."
They should also focus heavily on teasing darker, dangerous things and completely hide radagast to win back people who thought Radagast was awful and the Goblin king was too "dreamworksy."
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
Something like this would work. Especially if The Necromancer takes part at the end.
CoffeeExpress
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Love the There and Back Again art !
Makes it hard to wait for these extended edition blurays. Of course they would have to be in 48fps/3D to be a complete set.
Makes it hard to wait for these extended edition blurays. Of course they would have to be in 48fps/3D to be a complete set.
Megalosaro
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In the book itself, Necromancer was just a plot device, so that Gandalf would have an excuse to leave the group, as well as for them not to travel around the forest. He's barely mentioned other than Gandalf saying "oh yeah, I defeated the Necromancer".
When LotR was being written, Necromancer was retroactively re-written to be Sauron. Gandalf gives more backstory there, which has been integrated into the Hobbit movies.
When LotR was being written, Necromancer was retroactively re-written to be Sauron. Gandalf gives more backstory there, which has been integrated into the Hobbit movies.
Candeldandel
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Edmond Dantès;53166327 said:
Oh gods yes, it's definitely my favorite of his Middle Earth music. It does seem like the consensus is that the rendition in Over Hill is the best. I totally agree. Personally, though, it's not too far ahead of the hobbit theme... hobbits theme. Theme for hobbits, lol, crap. At least the Misty Mountains music doesn't make me tear up every time I hear it, I just get shivers down my back <3 Neil Finn's rendition is fucking fantastic as well; the extended version with the extra instrumental bit at the end just makes me melt. Love!
YAY! I'm glad you finally got your copy, Edmond! Did you watch it right away after buying it, or did you wait a whole hour?! I'm totally jealous of the steelbook editions. I've never seen them over here before!
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
I did watch in the evening. It was actually only my third time watching it. The previous times were the initial viewing in 24fps 3D and the the second time in HFR 3D. I wasn't able to make the London premiere in the end unfortunately, but there's always the next two red carpet premieres.
Slight correction; the professor always had it in his mind that The Necromancer was Sauron.
The development goes as follows; Tu the Fay => Tevildo => Thu the Necromancer => The Necromancer => Sauron/Mairon.
Thu was mentioned in The Lay of Leithian long before Tolkien wrote The Hobbit and Beren and Luthien were also incorporated into The Hobbit in earlier drafts before finally been omitted from the story due to timeline issues. Thu too, before his name was streamlined.
He doesn't say "Yes, Sauron", he says "The eye of Sauron".
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
Manu Bennett on playing Azog The Defiler
http://www.empireonline.com/interviews/interview.asp?IID=1660
http://www.empireonline.com/interviews/interview.asp?IID=1660
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
Daisy the White Warg has nice ring to it.
Napalm_Frank
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He definately says ''Yes, Sauron''.
SiegfriedFM
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Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
The exact dialogue is as follows:
Saruman: Concealed within his fortress, the Lord of Mordor sees all his gaze pierces cloud, shadow, earth and flesh. You know of what I speak, Gandalf a great Eye lidless wreathed in flame.
Gandalf: The Eye of Sauron.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1Vyhve9gtg#t=0m20s
Here's a handy guide detailing all the film's dialogue and the corresponding scene.
http://www.tk421.net/lotr/film/fotr/09.html
Saruman: Concealed within his fortress, the Lord of Mordor sees all his gaze pierces cloud, shadow, earth and flesh. You know of what I speak, Gandalf a great Eye lidless wreathed in flame.
Gandalf: The Eye of Sauron.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1Vyhve9gtg#t=0m20s
Here's a handy guide detailing all the film's dialogue and the corresponding scene.
http://www.tk421.net/lotr/film/fotr/09.html
Napalm_Frank
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No way man. No way.Edmond Dantès;53373807 said:
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
Hobbit stars on dark sequel Desolation Of Smaug
Exactly what many people have wanted.
http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/exclusiv...rk’-sequel-desolation-of-smaug-135608803.html
Exactly what many people have wanted.
Napalm_Frank
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It's old mockup from last year.
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
peanutbutterlatte
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The directorial/script decision for characters to speak over more interesting characters is quite irritating, on a rewatch last night. If Christopher Lee is doing what is likely to be his last role, I want to hear what he has to say. Not have Cate Blanchett mind-speaking over the top of him. If Elrond is describing why Glamdring is named for what it is, I want to hear that, and not a letter-opener joke about Sting. Just seems like bookmarking for the Extended Edition in so many ways.
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
In terms of the Elrond conversation, it was an effective way to deal with one of the copyright issues; not been able to mention the name of Turgon the King of Gondolin, the original owner of Glamdring.
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
Indeed. It's also the reason why Gandalf doesn't remember the names of the two Blue wizards. Having Gandalf mention Alatar and Pallando by name would have invoked the wroth of the Tolkien Estate. That's why having a Tolkien scholar aiding them was so important.
Yes, way.
Napalm_Frank
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Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
Against the power of official dialogue there can be no victory. You must join with us, Napalm_Frank. You must embrace official dialogue. It would be wise, my friend.
Napalm_Frank
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Edmond Dantès;53375331 said:
Tell me, ''friend'', When d... wait that new line actually makes sense.
Dark have been my dreams of late.
peanutbutterlatte
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Probably never if Christopher Tolkien has anything to say about it. And maybe for the best, Silmarillion in film would be... well, confusing to say the least.
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
Could be a decade from now if WB want to keep hold of the licence.
If not, Middle-earth enterprises will negotiate a deal with another film studio.
The least likely realistic scenario is another film series dealing with stuff from the appendices and Aragorn's life pre-LOTR.
Dream scenarios... HBO's The Lord of the Rings.
As for The Silmarillion, we all know by now how impossible that would be.
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
If not HBO, the BBC. Although, they aren't really known for big budget fantasy series. The likes of Merlin et al are produced for a fraction of what HBO spend on their flagship shows.
Maybe the upcoming Atlantis will buck the trend.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2013/atlantis-casting.html
Dabookerman
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You know, for all the outcries about the sex in GoT, which btw, are in the books, lots of it, I don't understand why that show gets all the stick and not Spartacus. Spartacus is insane with its sex.
vagabondarts
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Edmond Dantès;53383953 said:
I would be fine with a BBC Silmarillion radio drama.
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
I think Christopher Tolkien would be too.I would be fine with a BBC Silmarillion radio drama.
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
Why are fantasy world accents British?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17554816
Interesting discussion, although to be a touch pedantic (even though it is addressed in the article), there isn't one unified 'British accent', but many, many regional accents (as is the case in all countries) with Received Pronunciation and Cockney being the most well known around the world.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17554816
Interesting discussion, although to be a touch pedantic (even though it is addressed in the article), there isn't one unified 'British accent', but many, many regional accents (as is the case in all countries) with Received Pronunciation and Cockney being the most well known around the world.
Ixion
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I just prefer writing like Tolkien that focuses more on the unique aspects of the genre, which is the fantasy, the worldbuilding, and the epic drama. As opposed to just taking sex, violence, and politics and putting it in a fantasy or historical setting, which a lot of shows seem to do these days.
Dabookerman
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ASOIAF has all three of those.
Not that I'm gonna argue which is better. I love em both!
They're both different enough to enjoy.
Ixion
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Yeah, that's why I don't like the show. To be fair though, I haven't seen much of it.
Candeldandel
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Edmond Dantès;53388273 said:
Personally, if fantasy stories had American accents (any American accent) it would take me right out of the world and remind me I'm watching actors in a show. British accents just kind of... blend in. They're part of it. You're right, though. It's terribly hard for me to tell the difference between a lot of subtle, regional dialects. I mean, I might notice they sound different, but I definitely don't know what they're called or where that specific accent is from. But, then again, I'm especially bad with accents unless they're comically thick
Also, I like accents because there isn't much of one around here. So much so that I've heard news anchors and actors study the NW dialect to... not necessarily get rid of their own accent, but soften them? Or something. Boringest accent ever
That Atlantis show sounds super cool, by the way
#1 defender
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I think he meant fantasy, worldbuilding and epic drama, which indeed it does. Not that it doesn't also have that other stuff.
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