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The Kiseki / Trails (of the Sky/Zero/Ao/Sen/Etc) Community Thread: SPOILERTAGS OR DIE

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SatelliteOfLove

Member
SpaceDrake said:
Very much still happening.

In fact, let's just say a corner's been turned, more or less.
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Throwing money at my rig worked!

Levyne said:
I don't need a direct translation, just kind of a general sense of what's going on, a summary. It still seems like a lost cause. Time to learn japanese. Why did I take French in high school.



Hey. We're friends, right? :p
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Not to cockblock you outta a free version, but wouldn't it being in the hands of a receptiveTrails newbie be better?
 
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t26

Member
ATXAlchemy said:
That's more roadblock for XSEED, then.

AFAIK, Ao no Kiseki on PC was never released, despite Zero no Kiseki (but only in China IIRC). And from what I read around here, Falcom is involved in the localization's programming(?) or something.

I don't think the path for PC releases of the series on the west is clear.
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zero no kiswki is on PC in Japanese .
 
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GamingBird

Member
Shouta said:
Yeah. It improves their effectiveness as a team in this granting more bonuses when they're linked assuming you're playing sen no kiseki
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So it's more battle partner thing rather than having any romantic undertones right? Yes I'm referring to Sen. I just thought that the previous 2 game Zero & Ao seemed to have romantic endings - that this Sen game will have as well (seeing there's actually social links).
 
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RyougaSaotome

Member
AndroidAwakening said:
So it's more battle partner thing rather than having any romantic undertones right? Yes I'm referring to Sen. I just thought that the previous 2 game Zero & Ao seemed to have romantic endings - that this Sen game will have as well (seeing there's actually social links).
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Yes and no. Character-wise it definitely plays a bit like Zero and Ao, depending on who you get to max with, and who you SPOILERS FOR THE FINAL CHAPTER
dance with in the final day of the school festival. The person who comes up to you at the very end as you get sent away changes too. Laura's ending for example is very clearly romantically tinged with what she says to Rean/
 
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GamingBird

Member
RyougaSaotome said:
Yes and no. Character-wise it definitely plays a bit like Zero and Ao, depending on who you get to max with, and who you SPOILERS FOR THE FINAL CHAPTER
dance with in the final day of the school festival. The person who comes up to you at the very end as you get sent away changes too. Laura's ending for example is very clearly romantically tinged with what she says to Rean/
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Bingo! Have you seen Laura's social link events and ending?
You would say that the ending can be interpreted as somewhat romantic?
One thing that I observed from Zero and Ao is that the really, really romantic endings don't come until the 2nd game - just because JRPGs like to throw those things near the end of the plot - or the end of the 2nd game in the Kiseki series.

Also, I also feel that the move towards full 3D, both in Sen 1 and the upcoming Sen 2 is a really bad choice in terms of art direction, the 2D portraits are far superior to the 3D models used - like far, far superior. Any recent PSVita "JRPGs", Digimon, Irregular Magic, even Danganronpa Another beats this game hands down in the graphics department. The only thing to say is Falcom is a small company, with small budgets, and most of the budget must have gone towards the script, the story, battle system, the music, and what's left is fed to the 3D modelling.
 
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jdkluv

Member
ATXAlchemy said:
That's more roadblock for XSEED, then.

AFAIK, Ao no Kiseki on PC was never released, despite Zero no Kiseki (but only in China IIRC). And from what I read around here, Falcom is involved in the localization's programming(?) or something.

I don't think the path for PC releases of the series on the west is clear.
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The same chinese company who ported Zero also ported Ao no Kiseki to PC.
Falcom removed Joyoland's DRM on the PC port of Zero no Kiseki when they published it back in Japan.
Falcom needs to handle the localization programming of their console games in-house in order to reinsert the translation and thus ensure its localization.
XSEED can handle the localization programming of the PC games they publish through Steam in-house, as they have Sara to handle the programming.
 
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SpaceDrake

Member
Yes, since the DRM can be removed, Zero and Ao are workable at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the work done on Sky can be carried forward, even.

And as far as the Sen games go, unless I'm far off my mark, porting those to the PC should be relatively trivial due to the engine they use. It's mostly a matter of recompiling, improving compatibility with multiple resolutions and bug-testing after the recompile to make sure nothing broke.

That said, that's all getting rather ahead of things, since SC needs to sell well enough to justify any of this
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Vamphuntr

Member
At this point I think they'll have to skip the Crossbell kiseki games if they want to catch up on the Japanese releases. It's taking forever to get the second trails in the sky so my hopes are fairly low for the rest of the series.
 
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Disgaeamad

Member
Vamphuntr said:
At this point I think they'll have to skip the Crossbell kiseki games if they want to catch up on the Japanese releases. It's taking forever to get the second trails in the sky so my hopes are fairly low for the rest of the series.
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With all due respect, not every release should take as long as SC is, really.

Catching up to the JP releases is a pretty big task in and of itself though considering how Falcom've been pumping them out at a pretty incredible rate ever since Zero (2010); Ao came out in 2011, Sen in 2013 due to a new setting and assets etc, and now Sen II's coming one year after that. Sen III (which I'm pretty confident is going to happen considering what we know about the current events in the series) should come out next year too, and in the off chance that Sen ends with II, the next entry'll probably be 2016. Meanwhile XSEED have other projects and thus can't devote all of their time to this series alone, so it'd be a bit excessive to demand they focus on keeping up with it.
 
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SpaceDrake

Member
From earlier:

2San said:
Would be cool if it suddenly popped up during the summer sale. :eek:
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That definitely won't happen; it's not quite THAT polished yet, and besides, that's a terrible idea regardless.
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You want front-page exposure for a new release, and there's no way to get that during a summer sale, and everyone's dollars are tied up in other things regardless.


Also, disgaeamad is correct; regardless of whether or not Carpe Fulgur continues with other Kiseki projects after SC, nothing should take quite as long as SC has. It's been a potent cocktail of issues that have delayed the game as long as it has been, but a number of them are things that should, ideally, not afflict every single release in the series.
 
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Hasemo

(；・∀・)ﾊｯ?
Disgaeamad said:
With all due respect, not every release should take as long as SC is, really.

Catching up to the JP releases is a pretty big task in and of itself though considering how Falcom've been pumping them out at a pretty incredible rate ever since Zero (2010); Ao came out in 2011, Sen in 2013 due to a new setting and assets etc, and now Sen II's coming one year after that. Sen III (which I'm pretty confident is going to happen considering what we know about the current events in the series) should come out next year too, and in the off chance that Sen ends with II, the next entry'll probably be 2016. Meanwhile XSEED have other projects and thus can't devote all of their time to this series alone, so it'd be a bit excessive to demand they focus on keeping up with it.
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Wasn't Sen confirmed to be 2 games? I might be talking out of my ass, but I think I've seen that somewhere.
 
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kiriin

Member
Vamphuntr said:
At this point I think they'll have to skip the Crossbell kiseki games if they want to catch up on the Japanese releases.
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And what, go on to Sen? Where Sen II was implied to have strong connections to the storyline/ending of Ao. That really not the solution.

Honestly if you're that tired of waiting then take the initiative to learn Japanese. At the end of the day XSEED's focuses is on game localization. You can't expect them to prioritizes the Kiseki series when there multiple games that easier to localized. If FC Steam and SC sells well then we might see more of it in the future. I love XSEED but I'm not going to depend or expect them to carry through entire series. It up to them.
 
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RyougaSaotome

Member
Vamphuntr said:
At this point I think they'll have to skip the Crossbell kiseki games if they want to catch up on the Japanese releases. It's taking forever to get the second trails in the sky so my hopes are fairly low for the rest of the series.
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I understand the feeling, but the reality is that skipping Crossbell would be a horrible idea since so much of the story revolves around it at this point.

And like others have said, ultimately I don't think any of the games should ever take as long to put out as SC has.
 
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aravuus

Member
So Second Chapter's release is slowly nearing, then? Time to start the First Chapter in that case, I've been putting it off for too long.
 
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Mortimer Brewster

Member
RyougaSaotome said:
I understand the feeling, but the reality is that skipping Crossbell would be a horrible idea since so much of the story revolves around it at this point.

And like others have said, ultimately I don't think any of the games should ever take as long to put out as SC has.
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This.

Anyone who knows the Kiseki series understands how interconnected all the different games are to eachother with each new entry building on the ones from before. To prove my point, despite having my copy of Sen since launch last year, I have waited to play it until after Ao Evolution had come out so I could play it before going into Sen.
 
Shouta

Shouta

Member
Definitely can't skip the Crossbell games as far as localization goes. Their story is too integral to the overall narrative of the series right now. While it's certainly true that knowing what happens in those two games isn't integral to Sen no Kiseki, it very likely will be important in Sen no Kiseki II, I believe. Folks that have played Ao will understand.

I've said it before but if they absolutely had to skip one at all, it would be 3rd as it's the only one with a reasonable argument for not localizing it. But for story/lore and franchise consistency, 3rd should be localized as well.

Mortimer Brewster said:
This.

Anyone who knows the Kiseki series understands how interconnected all the different games are to eachother with each new entry building on the ones from before. To prove my point, despite having my copy of Sen since launch last year, I have waited to play it until after Ao Evolution had come out so I could play it before going into Sen.
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Sen 1 don't really need extensive knowledge of Ao, thankfully. It's actually interesting if you experienced Sen first because there's a real air of mystery as to what's going on in the game and all that hubbub. You get a lot more of what's being talked about and the neat little foreshadowing/references if you experience Ao first though. It's pretty amazing that the Falcom writing team is so well organized that they can create a huge multi-game story but still manage to make it approachable for players by giving them a little room to breathe in where they start playing. It's all carefully written .
 
max_505

max_505

Member
Just curious as to what JLPT level (N1-5) one will need to play and understand all of the Kiseki games. Of course, I don't think that can be narrowed down to a very specific level since a person might have only reached until N4 but is actually far more proficient than that.
 
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Mortimer Brewster

Member
Shouta said:
Definitely can't skip the Crossbell games as far as localization goes. Their story is too integral to the overall narrative of the series right now. While it's certainly true that knowing what happens in those two games isn't integral to Sen no Kiseki, it very likely will be important in Sen no Kiseki II, I believe. Folks that have played Ao will understand.

I've said it before but if they absolutely had to skip one at all, it would be 3rd as it's the only one with a reasonable argument for not localizing it. But for story/lore and franchise consistency, 3rd should be localized as well.



Sen 1 don't really need extensive knowledge of Ao, thankfully. It's actually interesting if you experienced Sen first because there's a real air of mystery as to what's going on in the game and all that hubbub. You get a lot more of what's being talked about and the neat little foreshadowing/references if you experience Ao first though. It's pretty amazing that the Falcom writing team is so well organized that they can create a huge multi-game story but still manage to make it approachable for players by giving them a little room to breathe in where they start playing. It's all carefully written .
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I wish I had known that before waiting on Ao before playing Sen. I'm still waiting on my Ao Evolution copy arriving so I might start Sen tonight.
 
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Brawly Likes to Brawl

Member
That's a shame. Its a lot easier for me to read Japanese when I'm on a PC, but when I decide to play this series untranslated, I should be able to play through Zero/Ao comfortably after going through FC-The 3rd, lol.
 
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Varion

Member
Aeana said:
Kind of a weird thing to say in light of Falcom cleaning up the PC release of Zero and releasing it in Japanese.
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I'm not sure why he's jumping to the conclusion that Falcom 'dropped plans to release Ao PC in Japan' either, considering Zero's PC version was announced about 6 months after Zero Evo came out, and Ao Evo was only released a couple of weeks ago.
 
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2San

Member
SpaceDrake said:
That definitely won't happen; it's not quite THAT polished yet, and besides, that's a terrible idea regardless.
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You want front-page exposure for a new release, and there's no way to get that during a summer sale, and everyone's dollars are tied up in other things regardless.
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I wasn't serious. A mere wish.

I do think that that the first chapter should be released any day now. Unless they are aiming for dual release or something.
 
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aravuus

Member
Is the story ever going to pick up in Trails in the Sky's first chapter or do I have to wait for SC to get to the supposedly cool stuff? I'm in Ruan, 15 hours in already and not much has happened really.
 
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Nightengale

Member
Muntu said:
Is the story ever going to pick up in Trails in the Sky's first chapter or do I have to wait for SC to get to the supposedly cool stuff? I'm in Ruan, 15 hours in already and not much has happened really.
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Go through the game for what it presents itself to be, which is a light-hearted coming-of-age story of a pair of mercs-in-training, travelling the continent, doing odd jobs to earn recognition from fellow peers, meet new people.

The game has 'cool stuff' in it, but if you find it a slog to appreciate the more light-hearted, less dramatic actual character of Joshua/Estelle's growth and real-life experience in anticipation of only the 'cool stuff'... it's a hard sell.

And the answer to your question is that the game should pick up from its current pace... in about 5-10 more hours. That's when the story goes from its current pace to the 'cool stuff.'
 
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aravuus

Member
Nightengale said:
Go through the game for what it presents itself to be, which is a light-hearted coming-of-age story of a pair of mercs-in-training, travelling the continent, doing odd jobs to earn recognition from fellow peers, meet new people.

The game has 'cool stuff' in it, but if you find it a slog to appreciate the more light-hearted, less dramatic actual character of Joshua/Estelle's growth and real-life experience in anticipation of only the 'cool stuff'... it's a hard sell.

And the answer to your question is that the game should pick up from its current pace... in about 5-10 more hours. That's when the story goes from its current pace to the 'cool stuff.'
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Oh no no, I've just read it has what some people consider some amazing twists so I wasn't sure if I was even playing the right game lmao

No I'm liking it so far, even if the only characters I've genuinely really liked so far have ditched me

Haha, should have probably said "proper overarching plot" or something though, the 'cool stuff' remarks make me seem like an idiot and you sound very sarcastic lol

But thanks for the reply, now I've got
an arsonist to catch
or something
 
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Hours Left

Member
Muntu said:
Oh no no, I've just read it has what some people consider some amazing twists so I wasn't sure if I was even playing the right game lmao

No I'm liking it so far, even if the only characters I've genuinely really liked so far have ditched me

Haha, should have probably said "proper overarching plot" or something though, the 'cool stuff' remarks make me seem like an idiot and you sound very sarcastic lol

But thanks for the reply, now I've got
an arsonist to catch
or something
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You're just getting to the part where everything starts getting crazy.

Once you've passed the school stuff, the story really kicks into high gear.
 
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Nightengale

Member
Muntu said:
Oh no no, I've just read it has what some people consider some amazing twists so I wasn't sure if I was even playing the right game lmao

Haha, should have probably said "proper overarching plot" or something though, the 'cool stuff' remarks make me seem like an idiot and you sound very sarcastic lol
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Sorry if it sounded rude. Not my intention.

And yeah, the overarching plot... you've clearly seen the glimpses of them, but yeah, it takes a while for the ball to start rolling significantly in FC.

Hours Left said:
Once you've passed the school stuff, the story really kicks into high gear.
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I'd say it's the
kidnapping, (the first one, not the second)
that really kicks things off.
 
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Psycho_Mantis

Banned
Sorry Aeana. Reposting:

Okay so I really want to get into this series especially in time for SC.

Right now my options:

1) PSP (dead, probably have to buy a new charger and do stuff with my account.....my least favourable option)

2) Mac ( have no windows so I would need to waste money on getting that software)

3) PS3 (my most favourable option but the PS3 version is not going to get localised :( )

4) PS TV ( this seems to be the best and cheapest way around it. I have my eyes on many vita titles as well)

5) Buy a PSV ( I do have my eye of many PSV titles and some are not making their way to PS TV like Gravity Rush) How cheap do you reckon I could get a PSV this christmas?

Is TiTS FC and SC going to be PS TV compatible?
 
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Aeana

Member
They will run on Vita TV. All PSP games that work on Vita work on Vita TV.
The Japanese PC versions also run through WINE, I know that much. The English versions may as well.
 
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Psycho_Mantis

Banned
Aeana said:
They will run on Vita TV. All PSP games that work on Vita work on Vita TV.
The Japanese PC versions also run through WINE, I know that much. The English versions may as well.
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Thanks for the info.

Thinking about it, I think I'm going to wait to see how cheap PSV goes this christmas. If I can snag one for £100 then I'm going to be happy. If not I'll get it on my Mac.
 
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aravuus

Member
I haven't made much progress in TiTS thanks to other games but it's slowly getting more and more interesting, that's for sure. I like the colorful dialogue. "I'll cut your carcass to pieces" lol.

Anyway, this is an extremely small thing but it's still annoying me; is one "arge" supposed to be one meter? Foot?
 
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wyrdwad

XSEED Localization Specialist
Muntu said:
Anyway, this is an extremely small thing but it's still annoying me; is one "arge" supposed to be one meter? Foot?
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It's the unit of measurement used in the game world. It's... one arge! Probably not the same as a meter or a foot, but definitely the same idea.

Falcom loves using their own fictional units of measurement. The Ys series has melye and krimelye, for example, while the Trails series has arge.

-Tom
 
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Aeana

Member
wyrdwad said:
It's the unit of measurement used in the game world. It's... one arge! Probably not the same as a meter or a foot, but definitely the same idea.

Falcom loves using their own fictional units of measurement. The Ys series has melye and krimelye, for example, while the Trails series has arge.

-Tom
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This is covered in the games, and this knowledge is in fact useful for Kiseki de Pon in Sora no Kiseki the 3rd.

One rige is 1 cm. One arge is 1 m. 1 serge is 100 m.
1 torim is also 1000 kg.
 
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