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3. Everyone talks about the small penis, no-one ever goes on about the big vagina

Curb reference?

 

[Gr1mLock]

A few good points here and there but mainly nonsense. Im privileged because my elected official is the same sex as me? Yea that's not reaching for it..at all.

 

[ThisWreckage]

What the fuck at people getting told to smile??
I've never heard of such a thing. Who the hell asks anybody to smile?
I mean unless you're taking a photo of them, why the fuck would you?
And it's not just coz I'm a male, who goes up to a woman and asks her to smile? Or is it when the person being asked is providing a service (eg. Waitress).
I just don't get it. The whole idea sounds obsurd to me.

It is absurd. To top it off, I work in a fucking emergency room. Because that's what people in pain want to see--smiling faces. I won't apologize for being unenthusiastic.

 

[Dash27]

Ugh.

People do want policies enacted to make it easier from them.

But when the discrimination basis is there, at the least they want it equal. Is that too much to ask? Facts are facts.

This is the kind of arguments you get when you discuss things like this. It is very difficult to legislate "fair" or "equal". It can either be justified or misused. People deserve equality of opportunity but they often demand equality of outcome.

So again, it's to your benefit to claim you are underprivileged in some way. Even if it's not true. When that happens, you take away from legitimate disadvantages.

 

[Rubbish King]

This thread


oh wow man


who the fuck made that list

 

[Kukuk]

A few good points here and there but mainly nonsense. Im privileged because my elected official is the same sex as me? Yea that's not reaching for it..at all.

It's always weird to me that people say men are privileged because the people at the top of society are men, but no one even bothers to look down and see the people on the absolute bottom rungs of society are also men.

It's also weird that male politicians and lawmakers almost exclusively cater to women's needs (legalized abortion, softened limits on birth control, VAWA, sexual harrassment laws, greater funding for women's shelters, etc, etc), but feminists feel their needs aren't represented, yet men's needs are entirely ignored.

 

[Polari]

Curb reference?

 

[Boss Doggie]

Eh, it's pretty... reaching?

Just treat another person as another person without any gender connotation.

 

[Iztli]

I don't mean to deride the article but I wonder which gender is more often called "bitch". I think I've personally witnessed it being directed to males 90%+ of the time .

Over trivial stuff also...

WHO ATE MY EXTRA CRUNCHY PB!!!!

...stop being a b#tch

Spoiler

:'(

 

[SmokyDave]

51: I'm far likelier to commit suicide.


...wait, hang on...

 

[Jburton]

It's always weird to me that people say men are privileged because the people at the top of society are men, but no one even bothers to look down and see the people on the absolute bottom rungs of society are also men.

It's also weird that male politicians and lawmakers almost exclusively cater to women's needs (legalized abortion, softened limits on birth control, VAWA, sexual harrassment laws, greater funding for women's shelters, etc, etc), but feminists feel their needs aren't represented, yet men's needs are entirely ignored.

Social housing in the UK is almost exclusively for women, there is no way a single man will get anything from the social.


The majority of homeless people are men ............. Male privilege in effect.

 

[Jburton]

51: I'm far likelier to commit suicide.


...wait, hang on...

That's a benefit of "Male privilege" ?


Nonsense.

 

[The Technomancer]

I don't mean to deride the article but I wonder which gender is more often called "bitch". I think I've personally witnessed it being directed to males 90%+ of the time .

Although it being directed at males isn't much better considering the implications in its use...it then becomes degrading to both genders

 

[GrotesqueBeauty]

This thread


oh wow man


who the fuck made that list

Peggy Hill McIntosh

 

[radios shipping overview]

Well, folks, the anecdotal evidence in this thread proves it: male privilege doesn't exist, or if it does, we should just ignore it and be gender-blind. Because it's actually pretty fantastic, if you're a guy.

 

[SmokyDave]

That's a benefit of "Male privilege" ?


Nonsense.

My point was that for all this privilege, we're still a deeply troubled gender. To say we're supposed to be strolling down Easy Street, we sure are prone to throwing ourselves under buses.

 

[GrotesqueBeauty]

Well, folks, the anecdotal evidence in this thread proves it: male privilege doesn't exist, or if it does, we should just ignore it and be gender-blind. Because it's actually pretty fantastic, if you're a guy.

I'm trying to decide if you're disingenuous of just have poor reading comprehension.

 

[ThreePiMatt]

Went through the whole list and they ignored the most important aspect of male privilege:

47: As a man, I don't have to sit down when I pee.

 

[Moppet13]

15. When I ask to see “the person in charge,” odds are I will face a person of my own sex. The higher-up in the organization the person is, the surer I can be.

Sure this can be true, but I don't see how it's an upside? Like how does this benefit me at all?

 

[ThreePiMatt]

Sure this can be true, but I don't see how it's an upside? Like how does this benefit me at all?

Cuz bros look out for bros. You know when you want to see the bro in charge he's gonna treat you like a bro and you guys are gonna bro it out.

 

[Sub_Level]

#87 - You have better reaction times in videogames

 

[Jburton]

My point was that for all this privilege, we're still a deeply troubled gender. To say we're supposed to be strolling down Easy Street, we sure are prone to throwing ourselves under buses.

Sorry I was commenting on the list, not you.

I agree completely for all our "privilege" we constitute the majority of homeless people and a far and away at the top of the suicide list ........ but hey it's all privilege.

We also receive less funding for male cancer in terms of awareness and research (male cancers will become the top killers and most common over the next 20 years) prostate cancer kills as many men as breast cancer does women and the funding discrepancy is 50% less at best.

..... and the list could go on.

 

[ThisWreckage]

Men are more likely to commit suicide, have mental illness, and serve prison terms. They're more likely to drop out of school, less likely to attend or finish college, and do worse academically on the whole. Males are more likely to be victims of violent crime than females (the only exception is rape). Men are more likely to die from getting struck by lightening. On health issues, women outlive men. Men are more likely to die of a heart attack and many other things. This can go on and on.

 

[GrotesqueBeauty]

Men are more likely to commit suicide, have mental illness, and serve prison terms. They're more likely to drop out of school, less likely to attend or finish college, and do worse academically on the whole. Males are more likely to be victims of violent crime than females (the only exception is rape). Men are more likely to die from getting struck by lightening. On health issues, women outlive men. Men are more likely to die of a heart attack and many other things. This can go on and on.

You're right. That's like 10 instances of privilege she totally missed!

 

[Moppet13]

Men are more likely to commit suicide, have mental illness, and serve prison terms. They're more likely to drop out of school, less likely to attend or finish college, and do worse academically on the whole. Males are more likely to be victims of violent crime than females (the only exception is rape). Men are more likely to die from getting struck by lightening. On health issues, women outlive men. Men are more likely to die of a heart attack and many other things. This can go on and on.

Men are more likely to be struck by lightning? really?

 

[Shabutaro]

People dont want to be discriminated against, they want policies enacted to make things easier for them. So it's an easy sell to tell a group of people they have it rough compared to another group.

The problem is that who become the judge for whats fair in your opinion. Because alot of people have honest and legitimate complaints, but they get shut down as simply being whiners. We do need policies to make things easier on people, because it is extremely hard to be a woman or minority in our society at times. Of course, some people will want to capitalize on any opportunity to get ahead, but I would say most of the time when things aren't fair or equal, them "getting ahead" is really just closing a very large gap.

 

[Derwind]

Men are more likely to commit suicide, have mental illness, and serve prison terms. They're more likely to drop out of school, less likely to attend or finish college, and do worse academically on the whole. Males are more likely to be victims of violent crime than females (the only exception is rape). Men are more likely to die from getting struck by lightening. On health issues, women outlive men. Men are more likely to die of a heart attack and many other things. This can go on and on.

Wait lightning?

 

[Aquavelvaman]

Maybe men have more iron in their blood.

 

[Mael]

Men are more likely to be struck by lightning? really?

Well women are smarter and tend to avoid shouting that gods are monsters on top of hills in rusty metal armor during storms...

 

[ThisWreckage]

Wait lightning?

Roughly 82% of people killed by lightening between the years of 1995 and 2008 were men. This also ties into why men are more likely to speed and get into car wrecks: recklessness.

 

[Nozem]

Men don't beeld out of their dicks once a month.

 

[GrotesqueBeauty]

Men don't beeld out of their dicks once a month.

Speak for yourself.

 

[Polari]

Well women are smarter and tend to avoid shouting that gods are monsters on top of hills in rusty metal armor during storms...

More like because kitchens are indoors lolamirite?

Parodying sexist jokes! Please don't ban me!

 

[Shabutaro]

Men are more likely to commit suicide, have mental illness, and serve prison terms. They're more likely to drop out of school, less likely to attend or finish college, and do worse academically on the whole. Males are more likely to be victims of violent crime than females (the only exception is rape). Men are more likely to die from getting struck by lightening. On health issues, women outlive men. Men are more likely to die of a heart attack and many other things. This can go on and on.

This isn't really list of societal privilege. This unfortunate things happen on a higher occurrence to men, but its not really directly because of women or anything.....
Its a pretty ineffective list for female privilege.

 

[shanshan310]

Planned obsolescence for clothing sounds ridiculous. If anything it's the style going out of date that would force you to buy more clothes.

Sadly its real. Just look up brands like zara. Their clothes are designed to last for one of their something like twenty yearly seasons.

Can't we take about both? We're all humans after all and there is bound to be some overlap and interesting cross-sectionalities*.

*I made that word up to sound more learnered**.

** Made that up too..

because somehow in every feminism thread there is always a 'what about the men?' derail. Its all well and good to discuss both but it would be nice to have a discussion about womens issues that doesnt just turn into mens issues.

 

[Perkel]

Yeah totally agree, I've been to three weddings this summer, same suit with different shirts and ties and nobody cares, women simply can't do that without being criticized.

Because they are women. We men don't give a shit about it.
It is not privilege of men it is simply self dug hell pit of women

 

[Derwind]

Roughly 82% of people killed by lightening between the years of 1995 and 2008 were men.

Does the study also take into account the rarity of lightning strikes? Its negligible.

Also I don't think their is a correlation between lightning strikes and a gender a targetted statistic.

 

[ThisWreckage]

This isn't really list of societal privilege. This unfortunate things happen on a higher occurrence to men, but its not really directly because of women or anything.....
Its a pretty ineffective list for female privilege.

So then it matches the list detailed in OP, right? My point is proven.

 

[Polari]

Because they are women. We men don't give a shit about it.
It is not privilege of men it is simply self dug hell pit of women

.

This is a good point. I don't notice shit. You could make an argument though that this is due the male-dominated capitalist culture.

 

[Vagabundo]

51: I'm far likelier to commit suicide.


...wait, hang on...

52. I'm far more likely to die young or have the living shit beaten out of me.

because somehow in every feminism thread there is always a 'what about the men?' derail. Its all well and good to discuss both but it would be nice to have a discussion about womens issues that doesnt just turn into mens issues.

I thought feminism includes men's rights. Isn't that the reason many femenists say MRAs don't need to exist?

 

[sixteen-bit]

Wait lightning?

No, lightening. Men are more likely to be well-lit.

 

[captmorgan]

Men don't beeld out of their dicks once a month.

I wish it only happened monthly....I should see a doctor.

 

[marrec]

A few good points here and there but mainly nonsense. Im privileged because my elected official is the same sex as me? Yea that's not reaching for it..at all.

Actually that's the most poignant thing on the list made especially true by the sexual reproduction laws that many states are shoving through right now. If you don't think that having an elected body of most males is a bad thing, then maybe this list isn't such a bad idea afterall.

Mostly it's got some obvious privileges that we enjoy, but I'm not sure about the efficacy of it among men who don't already recognize their advantages. To them it will just be inflammatory, as shown by the reactions in this thread.

 

[Shabutaro]

So then it matches the list detailed in OP, right? My point is proven.

I wouldn't say so. Not at all actually. The list in OP is a list of privileges, yours was a list of disadvantages. Second, it lists privileges specifically associated with gender and most are due specifically to a male dominated culture, which you cannot claim of your list.
The list shows very real social norms set up for women and simply a listing of unfortunate statistics.

 

[Mael]

No, lightening. Men are more likely to be well-lit.

You mean Lightning?
It's true I don't remember killing that many females in XIII but come on!

 

[marrec]

Roughly 82% of people killed by lightening between the years of 1995 and 2008 were men. This also ties into why men are more likely to speed and get into car wrecks: recklessness.

More men play golf. Golf is killing men every day and nobody is doing anything about it.

 

[ThisWreckage]

I wouldn't say so. Not at all actually. The list in OP is a list of privileges, yours was a list of disadvantages. Second, the list list privileges specifically associated with gender, which you cannot claim of your list.
The list shows very real social norms set up for women and simply a listing of unfortunate statistics.

And how do you suppose those unfortunate stats came to be? One harsh reality is as good as another.

 

[Kinyou]

Number 41 is a bit strange...

41. Assuming I am heterosexual, magazines, billboards, television, movies, pornography, and virtually all of media is filled with images of scantily-clad women intended to appeal to me sexually. Such images of men exist, but are rarer.

Sex sells to men, that's our 'truth'.

Yeah, that one is really poorly worded. Better would be "You're less likely to be sexualized and objectified in the media."

The way she worded it it sounds like her solution would be to have both genders heavily sexualized and objectified.

 

[sixteen-bit]

I wish it only happened monthly....I should see a doctor.

Yeah if you're peeing blood see a doctor asap.

 

[Polari]

Actually that's the most poignant thing on the list made especially true by the sexual reproduction laws that many states are shoving through right now. If you don't think that having an elected body of most males is a bad thing, then maybe this list isn't such a bad idea afterall.

Yeah I mean backwards laws towards abortion are evidence of this. Look at Ireland for example.