Well DC will try their hardest to get Aaron Sorkin to hit the right notes.
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The New JL Trailer is Everything Wrong With DC's Dark Movie Universe
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Well DC will try their hardest to get Aaron Sorkin to hit the right notes.
What? A work being thought provoking has ZERO to do with the media it's made in. People can find music lyrics thought provoking, or paintings, or comics, or whatever.
ElBoxyBrown
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DC movies need to take advantage of HDR.
Pai Pai Master
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This is really fucking pretentious and I'm not talking about the godawful "sorry comic nerds" bit lol
They already do... Disney hasn't stepped on that bandwagon yet. So maybe MARVEL SHOULD DO IT?! /s
Glass Rebel
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DC movies need to take advantage of centuries worth of storytelling techniques.
AuthenticM
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I want Denis Villeneuve to make a Batman movie.
DC needs to realize that not every film needs the same tone and you can still have a connected universe. A Superman film doesn't have to have the same tone of a Batman film. At the end of the day those two characters can still appear together in a Justice League film.
Seems like the success of Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy has had a direct impact on the tone of every DCEU film.
Copying Marvel is not the answer.
Seems like the success of Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy has had a direct impact on the tone of every DCEU film.
Copying Marvel is not the answer.
AstroNut325
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I didn't even know there was a JL trailer!
Exploratory
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Cinematography wise? Yes. Tone? No. The tone was full of humor and light moments. The actual way the film is shot is still very BvS. Which worries me.
More_Badass
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The issue was never that the movies are grounded or gritty or dark or whatnot. You could absolutely do DC movies like that and have them be fantastic movies up there with the best that the genre has to offer.
But it doesnt matter if the movies are hard-R gritty or light and bright like Guardians, if the movie itself isn't good
That's the problem. They're not good movies.
But it doesnt matter if the movies are hard-R gritty or light and bright like Guardians, if the movie itself isn't good
That's the problem. They're not good movies.
ebullientprism
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The problem isnt that its too grim or dark. Its just that its not good. The writing just isnt there to back that up.
Logan is unbelievably grim, dark, depressing and brutal. And its an AMAZING film. So you know it can be done.
Logan is unbelievably grim, dark, depressing and brutal. And its an AMAZING film. So you know it can be done.
Diprosalic
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i don't mind the "darkness" as much as i do the weird look. aren't justice league supposed to be protectors of earth? they make the the movies look like they are on a foreign planet.
Eppy Thatcher
God's had his chance.
I don't even know where to start with this bullshit...
It would be really funny if Snyder, after hearing everyone say the movies are too dark, simply uses a lighter lens/flare/whatever for every shot. "We used oranges to tint our scenes now instead of dark blues and greys. This way it won't be so dark."
I'd really laugh. I mean, I'd be bummed that the movie still has all the happiness of a Soviet-era orphanage, but I'd laugh. Eventually.
Exactly! DC needs to bring James Mangold in for a master class in how to do a "real" superhero movie without losing everything that people like about the characters to begin with. I feel like Logan is how Snyder wants everyone to see his movies.
I'd really laugh. I mean, I'd be bummed that the movie still has all the happiness of a Soviet-era orphanage, but I'd laugh. Eventually.
Exactly! DC needs to bring James Mangold in for a master class in how to do a "real" superhero movie without losing everything that people like about the characters to begin with. I feel like Logan is how Snyder wants everyone to see his movies.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
I don't like the lighting of the DCEU movies, but its not that big of a deal. Their worst problem is that the characters suck.
PanSexual_Peacock
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Well, considering what the threat is, it makes sense why landscape looks like it does.
Dash_Riprock
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More like they need to realize that "witty" one-liners are NOT the reason the MCU is so successful.
I'm glad DC is trying something less formulaic and more interesting than what Marvel is up to.
The Marvel movies to are fine but totally forgettable for the most part. Like the popcorn I ate while watching them. They have their place, and I enjoy them while I watch them. They feel like they were written by committee and I can't tell you the bad guys motivation in any of them.
The DC movies problem isn't the tone, it's that they are bad.
The Marvel movies to are fine but totally forgettable for the most part. Like the popcorn I ate while watching them. They have their place, and I enjoy them while I watch them. They feel like they were written by committee and I can't tell you the bad guys motivation in any of them.
The DC movies problem isn't the tone, it's that they are bad.
More_Badass
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You should read more comics. Some of the best sci-fi and horror stories out right now are comics.
Unless you're only talking about superhero comics, but then I'd tell you to check out series like Copra and new Moon Knight
yep x1000 times. Sin City felt better, not because it had an even darker palette with all black n white and tons of rainy alleys, but because the story telling was better. and there were a lot of funny moments in there too
Angelus Errare
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Dreams-Visions
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I like it dark.
Not everything needs to be bright with a happy ending. Good to have a change of pace from the popcorn Marvel approach.
Not everything needs to be bright with a happy ending. Good to have a change of pace from the popcorn Marvel approach.
Diprosalic
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maybe it makes sense, i just don't feel that it was a good choice then.
i feel like nothing is grounded or has any weight to it in that universe and that makes me not give a shit.
since nothing seems to be based on real world locations i also feel a bit lost in the universe.
Dark Knight was dark and in a fictional city but it felt like a real place, nothing of the DCU has so far.
i'm missing scenes like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mZZCTSWqsk
Maintenance
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Should be a hit with popgaf at the very least.
I think I'd rather see him do something like Martian Manhunter.
I'd also rather keep him away from the DCEU.
Sibersk Esto
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Sgt. Kabukiman
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Lol, what a garbage post.
Pandora012
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I actually don't mind the darkness with the DC universe. I just wish they would make movies with better stories, and editing. Also, want them to realize that every movie does not need to world ending battle.
Basically this. They have the tone down, they just need to make the movies better.
Basically this. They have the tone down, they just need to make the movies better.
Aquaman, ruler of Atlantis and the Earth's oceans is now a super powered (and possibly drunk) biker bro... thanks Snyder
Snyder wanted Lobo in the JL
Imagine waking up and arguing about actors who dress up in tights and capes to make millions and don't give a shit about you. "My CG is better and shot beautifully!" "Well my CG is rendered in daylight scenes with natural comedy salt!". Both groups of actors sit in giant green rooms and collect a paycheck. It's okay if someone likes something you don't. It's also okay to express your opinion, but why are you literally arguing about this? It's like two strangers in a restaurant arguing if tomatoes or onions are better lol.
ElBoxyBrown
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PanSexual_Peacock
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What makes you think Snyder wouldn't film a simple scene like that on location? And BvS had plenty of location shooting.
Pandora012
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Which seems to be a consistent thing with them. Maybe it will change with Wonder Woman.
They need someone who can handle the producers. They don't trust their movies and directors.
Maybe let Rowling produce DC, feels like she is the only one they have confidence in besides Nolan.
Leo_Sagittarius
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I particularly don't mind the dark asthetics, that doesn't really make or break a movie to me, as long as they embrace the comicbook sillyness/ fantastical elements, regardless of color levels.
This is something that the Nolan movies failed to capture, in part due to the "grounded" rule going on. We would never see the likes of Poison Ivy,Manbat,Clayface in a Nolan movie which is a shame considering how good the scripts were.
This is something that the Nolan movies failed to capture, in part due to the "grounded" rule going on. We would never see the likes of Poison Ivy,Manbat,Clayface in a Nolan movie which is a shame considering how good the scripts were.
Diprosalic
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but he gives all his scenes a weird look.
i just clicked on a random youtube video, does that look like a place that exists on earth? might as well be from star wars:
https://youtu.be/5lowHa27RcQ?t=24
(i know it's from a dream sequence but the rest of the movie looks the same)
Sorry mate, but not only is this argument completely inane...but your pretentious language here is a bit cringe-worthy.
You're literally writing off an entire medium here, a medium that has produced thousands of award-winning, critically praised stories (many of which exist entirely outside of the superhero genre) simply because you feel the majority of comic book writers can't write "thought provoking media". It's a bit like someone dismissing the entire medium of television, because things like Jersey Shore exist...stating that the only "thought provoking bit of media" out there is Breaking Bad. It's an elitist and pompous attitude, not to mention entirely in-accurate.
It's nice you enjoyed Watchmen and seem to manage to derive a great deal of self-satisfaction in not properly engaging with an entire medium you view to be beneath you (and literally dismissing anyone who does enjoy the work of say...Daniel Clowes or Marjane Satrapi)...but the irony here is that such an attitude displays far more traits of a "manchild" than anyone else involved in this particular discussion.
Anton Sugar
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Then I wonder where the hell his coloring sensibilities came from.
Ugh, you're reminding me how he just completely missed the point of Moore/Watchmen's visual style. His Snyder-fication of it is the biggest offense to the graphic novel.
PanSexual_Peacock
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Terrible example. That scene is a vision of a future where Darksied has taken over the planet. It's not exactly supposed to look like Earth at that point.
SAVAGE!!
Diprosalic
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i know and noted that in my post, the rest of the movie looks almost the same. every location looks weird and alien.
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