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"The new Mac Mini is all about movies"

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missAran

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From Robert X. Cringely's column "I, Cringely."

"Steve Jobs is so enigmatic. A couple weeks ago at MacWorld, he introduced the 2.9 lb. Mac Mini and the reaction was so great it was like he had re-invented the PC. Readers are all excited by the little box and have been asking me for my take on it. Like everyone else, I had to scratch my head a bit and ponder what this thing is really for. I know, I know, it is for all those PC drivers who bought an iPod and are now supposed to trash their Windows PC for a Mac Mini. Yeah, but what's it REALLY for? Movies.

The Mac Mini is one of Apple's trademark technology repackaging jobs. There ought to be nothing inherently exciting about the little box. It isn't especially powerful. You can buy smaller Windows and Linux machines. You can buy cheaper Windows machines from all the big brands. Yet the Mac Mini has people excited and those other PCs mainly don't. Some of it is industrial design -- it just looks cool. Some of it is commercial psychology: by forgetting the keyboard and mouse Apple not only saved money, it invented a whole new computer configuration between a barebones box and a complete system. Other keyboard-and-mouseless systems will soon appear from other vendors, I promise you, but they'll just be seen as copies.

I'll buy one. I have an old 400 MHz iMac in the kitchen that is begging to be replaced. Lots of Mac users will buy a Mini just to have one, which is why Jobs didn't really have to tell a big story to explain the little box, nor did he (yet) have to follow the aggressive pricing plan I suggested in my 2005 predictions. He'll sell the first half million just on exuberant inertia. But then sales might drop off as they did with the original Mac. THAT's when we'll get the real story on what this thing is for.

Everyone seems to think the Mini is a media PC, and it has the basic characteristics of one. Though the box has no TV tuner, Apple does offer an analog adapter. And you can burn DVDs with it if you get the optional DVD burner. Still, there were hints in that MacWorld presentation of something bigger to come, and the Mac Mini is a big part of that.

Here's my thinking, and it is just thinking -- I have no insider knowledge of Apple's plans, I haven't been diving in any Cupertino dumpsters, and nobody who knows the truth has told me a darned thing. I think the Mac Mini is a fixed component in a system that will extend iTunes to selling and distributing movies.

The first hint came to me a day or so before the MacWorld show when right at midnight my computer stopped playing Apple movie trailers. The only way to watch QuickTime movie trailers (the closest I get to a movie since we have little kids) was suddenly through iTunes 4.7, which takes you straight through the iTunes Music Store. The regular QuickTime player wouldn't work. Apple had made no announcements, nor had they upgraded QuickTime, so I'd say it was a glitch that presaged the eventual replacement of that player for the selling of movies. Since then Apple fixed things and the QuickTime player now works for playing trailers, but I had already seen the future.

Now go back to Steve's MacWorld performance, which you can see on the Apple web site. What the heck is Mr. Ando of Sony doing there? Nominally he's sharing the stage to herald the ability of Apple's new iMovie 5.0 to import high definition video from a new Sony consumer HD camcorder. Apple will also be selling the Sony camcorder online and in its stores. But you don't get the head of Sony at your event just to sell camcorders. And Jobs explained it himself -- it is the "Year of HD" and nearly all of the year is yet to come. As he darkly hinted, we can expect further announcements.

It is simple to say that Apple hopes to repeat with video the success it already has with iPod and iTunes. Jobs denies interest in video, citing the dominance of cable companies, but then he always denies right up until the moment he changes his mind, and that moment is coming.

If Apple hopes to emulate its iPod/iTunes success, what does that mean? It means selling hardware devices and proprietary content to play on those devices. The first such hardware device is probably the Mini. And the proprietary content will be video encoded in AVC H.264, which will be supported first in OS X 10.4, promised for the second quarter of this year. So Apple can't announce that it is in the movie distribution business until 10.4 (code-named Tiger) is available.

Remember Steve said this is the Year of HD. So one could expect that any video sold by Apple would be in high definition format. That gets around the supposed cable monopoly (there is no HD monopoly) and is suitably proprietary that Apple ought to be able to enforce its Digital Rights Management system.

The Mac Mini would look fine on, under, near, or generally around your TV. It has a DVI connector and so do many HDTVs, including those from Sony. Sony in its HDTV manuals says the DVI connector is "not intended" for connecting a computer, but it seems to work. That brings us back to Mr. Ando and my guess about the next Year of HD announcement or two. When OS X 10.4 ships, the Mini will suddenly become Apple's version of a media PC. Like the iPod, it will be a simple device that serves proprietary content, in this case HD video. Just like Gateway, HP, and Dell before it, Apple will start selling in its stores HDTVs, only they'll carry the Sony brand. Do you want to buy a Gateway TV or a Sony TV?

Now about that HD video content, Jobs was careful in his speech to point out more than once that there are two competing standards for High Definition DVDs -- Blu-Ray and HD-DVD -- but that H.264 is a constant on both systems. With movie studios divided between the two standards, this promises to be another VHS versus Betamax competition which means it will take two to three years for one standard to dominate, and in that interim devices will cost more than they ought to and will be coming later to market. Enter Apple and the Mac Mini, supporting every part of HD except a DVD standard, because one isn't needed. The Mini will download its HD video over broadband Internet connections so no optical component is required. The result is that Apple once again gets to market early and has a chance to become the de facto standard, just like iTunes did. Blockbuster can't compete with Apple until there are HD DVDs, and even digital cable doesn't have enough channel capacity to offer as many pay-per-view HD movies as Apple will be able to offer on the first day of service.

The movie studios will play along, too. They already allow on-line distribution through MovieLink and comparable services, so that's not a big obstacle. And Jobs, through his ownership of Pixar, is viewed as a movie industry player -- an insider with as much to lose as any other producer if "Toy Story" is pirated. And of course there is the fact that every movie distributor -- including Sony -- wants to take over Disney's role as Pixar's distribution partner, giving Jobs and Apple even more leverage. I know that Pixar and Apple are separate, but I also know that Steve Jobs will play every card in his deck.

The correlation of HDTV ownership and broadband penetration is very high. People who own HD TVs for the most part don't have HD movies. Movies are the key here, much more than HDTV, which is available for free over air (hence the lack of a tuner in the Mac Mini. Besides, viewers will tolerate non-real-time movie downloads -- as long as they take less time than driving to Blockbuster and back -- but they won't wait for the evening news to download. It simply has to be about movies.

There are a couple outfits already offering what could be the software components of this system. Their names are almost identical -- iFlicks and iFlix -- and both seem to be in flux. It could be that iFlix is freaked by the movie studio crackdown on bitTorrent servers, but suddenly their downloads don't download anymore while iFlicks has plain withdrawn its product from the market, leaving only mysterious messages on its web site. Both products manage well the organization and playing of videos on your Mac or PC. Either product could be the core of a new Apple movie service. I'm guessing that one or both have been -- or are about to be -- purchased by Apple."
 

Koshiro

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If it's about movies they better hurry and convey that message before the machine is seen as a PC replacement. Market it as a movie player/receiver and you'll attract a whole different market.
 

missAran

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Koshiro said:
If it's about movies they better hurry and convey that message before the machine is seen as a PC replacement. Market it as a movie player/receiver and you'll attract a whole different market.
Wait for Tiger before Apple announces anything.
 
Both products [iFLicks & iFlix] manage well the organization and playing of videos on your Mac or PC. Either product could be the core of a new Apple movie service. I'm guessing that one or both have been -- or are about to be -- purchased by Apple."

Interesting if true
 

Macam

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I find all this terribly premature and horribly irrelevant to the Mac Mini itself. The Mini is, and should primarily be regarded as with respect to the mainstream market, an extension of their Switch campaign. It's a shrunk down PowerBook G4 in essence, and though it may have elements of a media center in it, it's still lacking in some respects, and notably, if one were to compare this to the iPod/iTunes combination, is a lack of an included DVD ripper.

Moreover, HDTV and broadband may be correlated, but broadband figures are far higher than HDTV ones in consumer homes, and the whole process of ripping your DVDs to a computer, let alone streaming movies into your home is far too new to get a significant number of users on board. Early adopters, sure, but these folks should already be doing so regardless of Apples plans. The iPod took off only about two years ago, long after MP3s, ripping, burning, Napster and the whole scene became a big fiasco -- there's no real comparable digital movie scene to drive this into the mainstream market's mindset. Apple may have the entertainment industry's attention and leverage in the movie market, but I don't see a real venture into the movie enterprise as suggsted becoming a reality, certainly not built around the Mac Mini. Given the Apple's long ridden the high end video niche for some time, I view the Keynote more as delivering to them than to the mainstream. I would expect this year to focus on further expansion into the music industry built around the iPod brand name and the Shuffle, alongside really trying to bring Apple out of its niche markets and more into the mainstream, by using the Mini as a base, and potentially by continuing to offer productivity software such as the iLife and iWork suites to bring people over.
 
But the glaring flaw is there isn't any SPDIF connection or a way to output digital audio to a receiver. What's the point in a media device pushing movies or HD content that doesn't output the appropriate sound that people expect with that type of video quality?

Heh reading the article, it reminded me how I always forget that I literally live right across the street from Apple.
 
Marty Chinn said:
But the glaring flaw is there isn't any SPDIF connection or a way to output digital audio to a receiver. What's the point in a media device pushing movies or HD content that doesn't output the appropriate sound that people expect with that type of video quality?

Not to mention not enough horsepower for realtime encoding in high res for MPEG2/4 and no PCI slot for decent PVR capture card solution. I suppose PCI thing could be solved with a Firewire or USB 2.0 capture solution even then. 1.25Ghz G4 is gonna have tough time encoding video strem in real time.
 

border

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Exactly how many HD movies is the sad little 40 GB hard drive going to hold? 3? At best this would be for rental since you won't be able to keep more than a handful of films at the time.

This guy is just off his rocker, I think.
 
The sad thing is its typical Apple where they have a great idea, an amazing design, and yet it falls short in usually two areas, price and/or functionality. In this case, it's the funtionality. Apple has great ideas but they leave an easy window for someone to come in and fix the mistakes. I would have hopped on this easily if they would just tweak it a bit and it would be my first Mac ever. They nearly had me but the lack of SPDIF out is the killer. I've hooked my g/f's shuttle PC up to our TV and it was amazing seeing HD content.
 

border

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Just out of curiousity, will the Xbox output HD content? Or is the processor too slow? Maybe just HD MPEG2, and not one of the more heavily compressed formats....
 

Phoenix

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Shogmaster said:
Not to mention not enough horsepower for realtime encoding in high res for MPEG2/4 and no PCI slot for decent PVR capture card solution. I suppose PCI thing could be solved with a Firewire or USB 2.0 capture solution even then. 1.25Ghz G4 is gonna have tough time encoding video strem in real time.

Encoding an HD stream in real time is a chore. HD takes up like 13MB/s (yes second) in storage uncompressed and compressing that stream down in realtime without dedicated encoding hardware is non trivial. It shouldn't be done on the G4 or on a P4 - both are actually too slow to do it in real time.
 

SteveMeister

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While I'm not convinced the current iteration of the Mac mini is the complete movie solution, I have long considered what the article talks about to be Apples "next step" -- use of iTunes to sell and manage movies and other video content as well as music.

The incorporation of movie trailers and music videos into iTunes last year was one clue, plus it just makes sense. iLife is all about managing your media, and the big chunk that's been missing is management of pre-recorded video content (as opposed to home movies).

Big, big hurdles still exist to overcome, bandwidth and hard disk storage being two of them. But they've already got the foundations laid -- even an iPod (the iPod photo) that is likely capable of playing these videos.

So I while don't think it's necessarily happening any time in the next 12 months, I do believe it's going to happen.
 
Phoenix said:
Encoding an HD stream in real time is a chore. HD takes up like 13MB/s (yes second) in storage uncompressed and compressing that stream down in realtime without dedicated encoding hardware is non trivial. It shouldn't be done on the G4 or on a P4 - both are actually too slow to do it in real time.

I wasn't talking about HD. Just NTSC. knowing that a Barton Athlon XP @1.9Ghz (2600+) @85% CPU utilization is required for smooth MPEG2 encoding via a "hardware" encoding option like the Hauppage PVR250 PCI card I have, 1.25~1.4Ghz G4 just ain't gonna cut it. No way.

I don't even want to know about the CPU requirement for HD res encoding in realtime. @_o
 

ckohler

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Forget encoding HD. Hell, just playing back raw, full frame HD video is a huge chore for a CPU. Elgato sells a HD PVR solution for the Mac but to playback full size, full frame rate HDTV requires a dual G5.
 
ckohler said:
Forget encoding HD. Hell, just playing back raw, full frame HD video is a huge chore for a CPU. Elgato sells a HD PVR solution for the Mac but to playback full size, full frame rate HDTV requires a dual G5.

What do you mean by "raw"? My Pentium 4 3Ghz does 1280x720 WMV9 playback fine. Hell, my friend's 2.4Ghz 400Mhz FSB Northwood P4 does as well. I wonder how "raw" differs with something like WMV9.
 

ckohler

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Calling video "raw" is just my way of saying it hasn't been remastered or recompressed from it's native format (in this case HD).

Raw HD video is 1920x1080 MPEG2 running a constant 1.7MB/sec. The key here is MegaBytes, not megabits. So in other words, it's running at around 13.6Mb/sec. A much higher resolution and likely much higher bitrate than the WM9 videos you mention.
 
ckohler said:
Calling video "raw" is just my way of saying it hasn't been remastered or recompressed from it's native format (in this case HD).

Raw HD video is 1920x1080 MPEG2 running a constant 1.7MB/sec. The key here is MegaBytes, not megabits. So in other words, it's running at around 13.6Mb/sec. A much higher resolution and likely much higher bitrate than the WM9 videos you mention.

Definitely higher res, and obviously WMV9 is a much better codec than MPEG2, thus lower bitrate than MPEG2 running @ 1920x1080, but P4 3Ghz will play 1920x1080 WMV9 fine as well, IIRC.

BTW, I wasn't aware that HD media will still use MPEG2. That's a big surprise for me. I always thought something better like MPEG4, WMV9, Sorensen, or H.264 would be used.
 

ckohler

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Broadcast HD is MPEG2 though HD-DVDs will likely end up using H.264.

If you want to test playback of raw HD, try this torrent. It's a 5 minute clip of Fellowship of the Ring in broadcast HD (500MB).
 

Fusebox

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Marty Chinn said:
But the glaring flaw is there isn't any SPDIF connection or a way to output digital audio to a receiver. What's the point in a media device pushing movies or HD content that doesn't output the appropriate sound that people expect with that type of video quality?

I would have bought one in a sec for a HT rig if it had digital out. :(
 
ckohler said:
Broadcast HD is MPEG2 though HD-DVDs will likely end up using H.264.

If you want to test playback of raw HD, try this torrent. It's a 5 minute clip of Fellowship of the Ring in broadcast HD (500MB).

Sorry for the old thread ressurect, but we just got to dl and test the file on a PC.

I had to download VLC to play it, but it plays back at full speed on a 400Mhz FSB 2.4Ghz Northwood P4 on an Intel865 mobo with 1GB of PC2700 in dual channel with a 64MB GF3 Ti 500. I'm not gonna even bother with playing it on my 800Mhz FSB 3Ghz Northwood with HT.

BTW, the source must be horrible. It looks like total crap (interlacing is really chunky so I enabled deinterlacing on the VLC). I've seen WMV9 @ 720p that look MUCH better. The 5th Element WMV9 is probably the best HD encoded stuff I've seen so far.
 

Cooper

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Shogmaster said:
BTW, the source must be horrible. It looks like total crap (interlacing is really chunky so I enabled deinterlacing on the VLC).

If this is the same "HD" transfer of LotR that played on HD PPV and WB, yeah, it's a crappy source. The image was zoomed/cropped, which made everything look pretty blocky. I think the DVD looked better than this transfer.
 
Cooper said:
If this is the same "HD" transfer of LotR that played on HD PPV and WB, yeah, it's a crappy source. The image was zoomed/cropped, which made everything look pretty blocky. I think the DVD looked better than this transfer.


Yeah, it's got the WB logo in the corner. It is a really shitty transfer. All that bandwidth wasted for worse than 480i DVD quality. :lol
 
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