The Official 'Collateral' Thread

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Who here is really interested in this new Tom Cruise film? It also stars Jamie Foxx and is directed by Michael Mann for those who wish to know. So far, from the trailers and television commercials, the movie looks pretty damn good. I really can't wait to see it -- in fact, my anticipation for it is higher then that of the Village surprisingly enough. Anyways, it starts August 6th (so less then 2 weeks away) and I was just curious if people were interested in it as well. :)
 
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Funny you mention that movie... isn't wasn't half as bad as terrible as I thought it would be.

I agree that Tom Cruise will make an excellent Hitman. I'm hoping this will be the start of him playing more roles where he's no longer the protagonist.
 
Yea this movie has peaked my interest.

I love the trailers I've seen so far, because they pull you in, but you don't really know very much about the movie. You know a guy is using a cab driver to go around and kill people, but you know very little else. I almost want to see the movie just to figure out why Cruise is killing all these people.
 
Well, judging from the latest trailer
Jamie Foxx says something about how he killed the DA or is after the DA, so I imagine he's been contracted to kill a few people who are pivitol in a rather large case against some big name criminal. That doesn't, of course, tell much more about the underlying story, but you know WHY he's killing these people
 
I've been dying to see this for a very long time now. Michael Mann is the best American director working today.
 
I like how the movie seems to be shot. There's like this grainy effect to all the footage to make it seem moreso like a budget project rather then some hugely over-budgeted film. Though, unlike Bourne Supremacy, I'm sure Mann won't sacrifice substance for style.
 
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Though, unlike Bourne Supremacy, I'm sure Mann won't sacrifice substance for style.
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Haha you must be joking, Mann movies are stylish and fashionable as all hell. Style is priority one over substance, as evidenced in Ali.
 
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Haha you must be joking, Mann movies are stylish and fashionable as all hell. Style is priority one over substance, as evidenced in Ali.
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I was actually going off of Heat more then anything else. Heat's primary action sequences are very heavy on action, but at the same time, you can tell in every shot what's going down. There's no point during the sequences when you're thinking "ok, wtf? I couldn't tell what happened ebcause the camera was zoomed in on some guys pants."
 
Oh ok. Well "substance" might not be the best word to use.. maybe "clarity" or something like that. Heat was very well-shot and well-edited (and 'well-' everything else really)
 
Michael Mann fuckin rules. Has anyone been able to track down the trailer with Alice in Chains playing on the internet?

Also, I sent off for CHUD screening tickets today.. hoping to score those. I'm a huge Mann fan and really excited about seeing this movie. I don't think the trailers look so hot, but Mann has done me no wrong ( unless the count the Keep,. which I don't)
 
This movie is getting some amazing reviews.

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Michael Mann is to cinema today what Miles Davis was to music forty years ago: a consummate artist pushing both himself and his chosen art form to new levels, by happily bouncing between accepted conventions and lofty flights of fancy. While some individual notes or bridges might not be thematically correct when they first engulf you, they all fall into place once the entire work has completed.
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David Denby writes Michael Mann a love letter

Shot by shot, scene by scene, Mann, whose recent work includes “Heat” and “The Insider,” may be the best director in Hollywood. I don’t mean that he’s the greatest artist. He lacks such qualities as the tormented humanism of Scorsese, the generous showmanship and warmth of Spielberg, the moral curiosity of the Clint Eastwood who directed “Unforgiven” and “Mystic River.” But Mann has become a master builder of sequences, the opposite of the contemporary action directors who produce a brutally meaningless whirl of movement. Methodical and precise, he analyzes a scene into minute components—a door closing, an arm thrust out—and gathers the fragments into seamless units; he wants you to live inside the physical event, not just experience the sensation of it.
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Also, something about this still from the movie:

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just screams "Michael freakin' Mann": not just the palm trees, but the color palette and the image composition, with Cruise's face dominating one side of the frame. This summer has left me pretty cold so far--except for the visuals in Cuaron's Harry Potter, everything I've seen looked and sounded like something I'd already seen before. But this looks like it might justify the rest of the bad-to-average stuff I've sat through in theaters in the past couple of months.
 
As much as I wanted to be excited for this flick, I didn't like the way the preview was looking at all. Now I guess I don't have to worry. Attaboy, Mike.
 
Glad someone brought this thread back. I'd hate to have to be the one to do it tomorrow. I'm definitely going to see the matinee for it. I can't friggin wait. It's going to be awesome. :) I can't believe Tom Cruise actually practiced with real guns and used live ammunition for a lot of the scenes in the film (obviously not the ones where it shows him and the victim in the same shot), but any time where you only see him shooting, he's using live ammo. That's definitely cool.
 
Good post Prospero, Denby's quote is on point. You can see why some like Scorsese can easily say that Mann is one of the best American directors working.
 
and, of course, you can't spell the word 'or'.

Mann never put a foot wrong, although he has been a 'little' out of step in some movies.
Although The Keep is flawed (edited. to. fuck.), there are some great scenes in it (the soldiers opening the tomb with Tangerine Dream's Logos is one of my most favourite scenes in cinema)

Collateral cant come to Europe fast enough.
 
Ok, just got back from seeing Collateral. After seeing the trailer I was pretty interested, so I went into this knowing it would probably be pretty good, but not expecting anything amazing. But Collateral kicks about 18 levels of ass. Best movie of the summer.

The acting is phenomenal. Cruise is perfect for the part, and as much as I didn't care for Jamie Foxx before this movie, I can definitely say I think he has potential as a serious actor now. The cinematography is amazing yet incredibly simplistic. Mann isn't flashy like Aronofsky, but his style is just as distinct. I also love his little realistic touches (very minor spoilers unrelated to the plot)
like when Vincent throws a chair through a glass wall and then jumps through the glass but trips on the chair or when Max throws a trash can at the glass door but it just bounces off
. It's just those little things that make it feel more realistic (even though much of it isn't).

I'm not sure how long the movie is (it's at least two hours), but it didn't drag on at all. It felt very brisk and well-paced. You'll be tense, biting your nails, on the edge of your seat for much of the film; especially the last 20 or so minutes.

Anyway, one of the best movies of the year. Easily the best movie of the summer. I can't recommend it enough.
 
Ryu said:
I like how the movie seems to be shot. There's like this grainy effect to all the footage to make it seem moreso like a budget project rather then some hugely over-budgeted film. Though, unlike Bourne Supremacy, I'm sure Mann won't sacrifice substance for style.
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it was shot in DV, thus the grainy look and the edgy look of all the shots.

i wish people had watched mann's tv show :/
 
Saw it tonight after seeing The Killers in concert (watch for me on MTV! haha).. amazing in every sense of the word. Michael Mann is my favorite director and I was looking forward to this for quite a long time and I was totally satisfied. It's a definite must-see and I'd say will definitely be Mann's first financial success. It's been a long time coming..
 
fart said:
it was shot in DV, thus the grainy look and the edgy look of all the shots.

i wish people had watched mann's tv show :/
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Collateral was NOT shot in DV. It couldn't have been. It looks too damn good. How is that possible?!
 
Every time I see a picture of Tom Cruise in this I think. I guess he couldn't get Dinero. You think he could have easily got Dinero after heat. How do you spell his name that doesn't look right?
 
Mason said:
Collateral was NOT shot in DV. It couldn't have been. It looks too damn good. How is that possible?!
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DV has improved greatly in the last few years, and looks really good now even when transferred to film. Arthouse filmmakers have been shooting amazing stuff in DV for a while now: check out Russian Ark or Cremaster 3. Those films are definitely not for mainstream tastes, but they look absolutely gorgeous.
 
Oh, and for those of you who are thinking of not seeing the movie based on a trailer--the quality that makes Michael Mann movies great isn't something that can really show up in a trailer. Like David Denby said, Mann's skill lies in pacing a movie over a long stretch of time, and carefully arranging his shots so that something that looks insignificant in and of itself becomes intensely emotionally charged when placed in the context of the entire film. Though he's visually stylish, he almost never has "money shots," the kind of short but flashy images that marketing drones would slap into a trailer to get people excited about a movie. The three different trailers for Heat were unimpressive as well, but the movie itself is one of the best crime dramas ever made.

I wouldn't ignore the high RT rating on this one, just because of the trailers.
 
The previews for this really haven't had me all that interested... Maybe it's because of Jamie Foxx, because whenever I see him all I can think of is is AWFUL sitcom. I'll give it a shot thuogh.
 
Got back from it a couple of hours ago. What an amazing film. The last friggin fourty minutes were just non-stop with little to no breaks anywhere. The tension, especially at the very end, was incredibly well played out. If this movie was shot entirely in DV, then just wow. It was about as masterful as movies get with some prettty damn good characters. I like how his style incorporates everything that is totaly necessary to the film even from the most mundane of shots. It's really great stuff. That scene where Vincent talks about jazz was easily one of my favorites.
 
The trailer I saw from seeing another movie, made Collateral look interesting (despite Jamie Foxx's presence), so I'll be seeing it (though not this weekend). The only thing is
I've heard that the last third of the movie or so is kind of bad in comparison to the first two thirds of the film because of the plot where they're after Jada's character. So I don't know, maybe that part comes off better than I've heard.
BTW I don't know if any of what I said can be considered a spolier, but just in case...
 
This movie is awesome!!

What the fu-- ? What the hell!! The guy.. the guy just fell... he fell and landed on the taxi... oh shit... what the hell... he landed on my taxi man....

oh shit...

you killed him didn't you?
 
Mason said:
Collateral was NOT shot in DV. It couldn't have been. It looks too damn good. How is that possible?!
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it was well lit and shot with good lenses on the latest cams. DV cams have made HUGE strides in the last couple of years.
 
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