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Kano on the Phone
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Tamanon said:
Please don't be so lewd.
No, Ashley can NOT wrestle. She screws up the most simple things in the ring. They should hire hot chicks who know how to wrestle...they do exist you know.
4 hours...of wrestling? I don't know what show you were watching :lol
If I ran the WWE, I would have given John Cena a heavily hyped title defense against anyone but Eric Bischoff. I would have also put the tag team titles on the line and had an IC title defense. Those matches on top of the Iron Man match and the Edge/Hardy match would have made for a better show. I would also let the wrestlers do what they wanted to do in the ring, and encourage them to innovate as well as play to the crowd more.
As I said, they need to concentrate on the W and not the E. They think that the more entertainment based show helps them appeal to the mainstream, but the WWE is looked at as a joke in the entertainment world (When Vince appeared on CNBC last week, the host of the show kept reffering to it as 'rasslin' and Vince was noticably pissed off). I think if they made it more of a sports product like ROH or Japanese feds instead of a circus attraction then they would get more respect.
BTW, TNA is not a perfect product. They make great PPV's that are always 5 times better than WWE ppvs, but they still have some work to do with thier Impact show. I think the thing that hurts Impact the most is the fact that they only have an hour to work with.
4 hours...of wrestling? I don't know what show you were watching :lol
If I ran the WWE, I would have given John Cena a heavily hyped title defense against anyone but Eric Bischoff. I would have also put the tag team titles on the line and had an IC title defense. Those matches on top of the Iron Man match and the Edge/Hardy match would have made for a better show. I would also let the wrestlers do what they wanted to do in the ring, and encourage them to innovate as well as play to the crowd more.
As I said, they need to concentrate on the W and not the E. They think that the more entertainment based show helps them appeal to the mainstream, but the WWE is looked at as a joke in the entertainment world (When Vince appeared on CNBC last week, the host of the show kept reffering to it as 'rasslin' and Vince was noticably pissed off). I think if they made it more of a sports product like ROH or Japanese feds instead of a circus attraction then they would get more respect.
BTW, TNA is not a perfect product. They make great PPV's that are always 5 times better than WWE ppvs, but they still have some work to do with thier Impact show. I think the thing that hurts Impact the most is the fact that they only have an hour to work with.
Battlezone
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3kuSaS said:
Or, they can hire hot chicks and teach them to wrestle. Neither Trish Stratus nor Victoria were anymore than eye candy when they came in, and they're two of the best workers in the division. Can they hold a candle to some of the Japanese women or whatever? Of course not, but the audience has shown repeatedly that women's wrestling only exists as a tits-and-ass break between the two sweaty men awkwardly groping at each other.
Raw and Smackdown exist to sell PPVs. They're nothing more than a weekly infomercial to shill the product to get you to spend 40 bucks at the end of the month to see the good stuff on PPV. Why give Cena a title match against, say, Angle, on free TV when you'll buy it for Taboo Tuesday? It's not like this is a new business model, they've been doing it for years. And it's not like you have to look to hard to see it, since Cena/Bischoff is nothing more than Austin/McMahon Part II.
And you might not like it, but the only way TNA is ever going to get accepted by the mainstream is if the WWE is accepted by the mainstream again. And the way for that to happen is for them to embrace the "entertainment" side of things as much as possible. Big Show doesn't pop up on Conan because of his in-ring work. He pops up because he's funny, he's entertaining, and because he'll sit there while Conan makes a quick joke at his size and then say, "Make sure to catch WWE Raw, Mondays on USA!" Same with Rock. Same with Cena. Same with Triple H. Same with Trish. This idea that TNA is going to be accepted by the mainstream-hell, the *casual* wrestling audience-as an alternative to the WWE is a pipe dream. Giving them a better time slot won't do it. Moving them to Mondays won't do it. Because, unfortunately, for most of America, pro wrestling *is* WWE.
DonasaurusRex
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can i get a cup of tha hatorade...little thirsty here...
Keyser Soze
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DonasaurusRex said:
It comes bottled. Get your own frikken cup!!
Outcast2004
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
He's right. People who accept Vinnie Mac's shit,force fed, low impact style are what's killing wrestling. Quite simply McMahon forgot what the second W in WWE stands for.
I'll sum it up for you.
I missed the first hour of the show and didn't care. Now I used to be the biggest wrestlng mark. PERIOD. I've seen every WWE PPV for the better part of a decade, never missed a Raw or Smackdown or Nitro when it was on.
Lately? I just don't care. The wrestling is terrible save for a few outstanding talents. If they aren't Canadian or a former amature wrestler they seem to suck ass where it counts... between the ropes.
Look at your champs lately... neither of them are worth a shit.
Cena is stale as hell on the mic with his pandering to the crowd and his in-ring ability is lax at best. Name the last goood match he had, it was with Angle and he CARRIED Cena. Before that? Jericho, he carried Cena MAJORLY. To the point where the crowd started turning on Cena and cheering Jericho.
Let's take a closer look at last night shall we? They had 3 hours and what did they give us? A show that sould have been a home run, a sure thing and PPV quality.
3 hours of segments and barely any matches.
The ladder match? Short as hell and not very good... saved only by Lita interacting and being a nice visual. You could tell neither Edge's or Hardy's heads or hearts were in it.
A main event with the "rebel" champ vs. the gm/owner figure... yep saw this before in the late 90's. It was better then, leave it there.
Himuro said:
Hell, every WWE show lately IS boring or subpar. Smackdown is a damn running joke and likely to be cancelled as soon as the contract is up for renewal.
I actually got my wife to sit down with me last night do something she hasn't done since WCW folded. She used to watch all the time with me and go to PPV's. Hell, she bought our floor tickets to WCW vs WWF Invasion! Now though? She avoids it like the plauge... she hates it.
She sat down and watched the first match of Impact last night with AJ vs Roderick Strong and she was amazed. She hasn't had that look on her face in a long time. Jaw on the floor. She was hooked from then on and watched the rest of the show. This is the first time she's watched ANY match since 2001.
The reaction on her face when she saw the Canadian Destroyer? PRICELESS!
Am I going to say that TNA's is perfect?
No, not at all. Their Heavyweight Division isn't exactly great and they need lots of work on their backstage segments. But in the ring? Excellent stuff week in and week out. These are guys that are hungry and ambitious and seem to LOVE what they do. It's astounding what a difference that can make.
The overall product in TNA is worlds above what shit Vinnie Mac is putting out lately.
Battlezone said:
Why is there no room for an alternative? If it weren't forr Brad Siegle not allowing WCW on TV anymore they would still be around and being owned by Eric Bischoff.
How is it so much of a pipe dream to have 2 companies and have both be successful? It's worked time and again.
For the longest time (if you'd like to admit it or not) WWF/E was getting it's ass handed to it and was on the verge of being shut down at one point.
Plain and simple you really don't know what the hell you are talking about.
How people can defend a subpar product is beyond me..hell, even most of the wrestlers working for the WWE are miserable and they understand that the product generally sucks because of Vince trying to push the E. I really think that TNA can get over with fans who appreciate wrestling, and become successful based on delivering in the ring not on the mic. In order to do that, they need to get rid of the worthless "talent" that they hired simply because they are recognizable (Jeff Hardy, Konnan, BG James), and pick up more indy and japanese wrestlers.
Hatorade? Seriously guys, you are the ones missing out by only watching WWE. I still support them because they have a lot of talented wrestlers who happen to be some of the best in the business...I watch RAW, Smackdown, Heat and Velocity every week. Hell, I still even go to thier shows live every now and then (its usually a waste of money, but at least I can get some good nachos). I love wrestling. And take it from me, if you think the WWE is in good shape right now, its because you're either a close minded fanboy or you just haven't seen anything better.
Hatorade? Seriously guys, you are the ones missing out by only watching WWE. I still support them because they have a lot of talented wrestlers who happen to be some of the best in the business...I watch RAW, Smackdown, Heat and Velocity every week. Hell, I still even go to thier shows live every now and then (its usually a waste of money, but at least I can get some good nachos). I love wrestling. And take it from me, if you think the WWE is in good shape right now, its because you're either a close minded fanboy or you just haven't seen anything better.
Nameless
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TNA is a mixed bag, and really the only thing worth watching is a few of the tag teams and the X-division. Look at Impact's premeire, they have that amazing Triple threat match, and then hit us with Jeff Hardy vs Rhino, a match that seems more like a Sunday Night Heat or Velocity main event. Nash(in this stage of his career) and Jarrett isn't exactly must watch wrestling either. Raw was putting on great shows from I say around Wrestlemania until the end of the draft lottery. Since then, its been rather horrid yes. Smackdown, even though I rarely see anymore on TV has been solid on the other hand.
The biggest problem with the WWE is that they have some VERY VERY weak champions in my opinion leading the company. Cena is annoying, and because of his gimmick(which is no longer interesting at all) has seemingly taken a step backwards in the ring. And then you have Batista whos maybe the least entertaining champion the company has ever had. His matches are like a broken record, he sucks on the mic, and he can't even carry a match something Cena can atleast do a little bit.
The other problem is the brand split which is getting stale, as it offers little to no parity in wwe programming. We get forced feuds because some guys have no else to feud with(Show vs Snitsky..ewww) And the major feuds are shoved down our throats for 3 months.
The biggest problem with the WWE is that they have some VERY VERY weak champions in my opinion leading the company. Cena is annoying, and because of his gimmick(which is no longer interesting at all) has seemingly taken a step backwards in the ring. And then you have Batista whos maybe the least entertaining champion the company has ever had. His matches are like a broken record, he sucks on the mic, and he can't even carry a match something Cena can atleast do a little bit.
The other problem is the brand split which is getting stale, as it offers little to no parity in wwe programming. We get forced feuds because some guys have no else to feud with(Show vs Snitsky..ewww) And the major feuds are shoved down our throats for 3 months.
Quite honestly, two things keep me from watching TNA:
1) I'm not home when it's on
2) Seems like every TNA fan isn't just like, "yeah, it's a good show." They have to get into this macho-bullshit elitist smark mindset and put every console fanboy on this forum to shame. If you like it, that's fine, but when you troll EVERY wrestling thread with the same song and dance, it sounds like jealousy of WWE's success instead of being behind TNA's product. It's the same thing that soured me on ECW after about 1995. Just be a fan, we don't need the constant wahhhmbulance.
That said, I WOULD buy a DVD of Double J throwing tortillas at Mexicans. :lol
1) I'm not home when it's on
2) Seems like every TNA fan isn't just like, "yeah, it's a good show." They have to get into this macho-bullshit elitist smark mindset and put every console fanboy on this forum to shame. If you like it, that's fine, but when you troll EVERY wrestling thread with the same song and dance, it sounds like jealousy of WWE's success instead of being behind TNA's product. It's the same thing that soured me on ECW after about 1995. Just be a fan, we don't need the constant wahhhmbulance.
That said, I WOULD buy a DVD of Double J throwing tortillas at Mexicans. :lol
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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I can only think of two reasons why anyone would be entertained by the shit WWE has been shoveling out onto cable:
1) They haven't seen Samoa Joe/AJ Styles or Joe/Styles/Daniels from the last two TNA PPVs.
2) Their fanboy loyalty and ability to be easily marketed to rivals that of Nintendo fans.
The Samoa Joe/AJ Styles/Christopher Daniels match is probably match of the decade, and a download link has been posted in wrestling threads here recently... just watch it and then try and stomach 35 minutes of Austin rehashing a tired gimmick and feud, two full segments of HHH beating on an old man with a sledgehammer, and a boring champion that can't wrestle being forced to wrestle an old guy who isn't a wrestler (your main event, btw).
No one's saying TNA is perfect or consistent, but they at least have TWO watchable segments on each of their PPVs and TV shows... there was nothing watchable on Raw last night except Lita. (I'm still waiting for some screencaps... even wwe.com doesn't have any of her.)
1) They haven't seen Samoa Joe/AJ Styles or Joe/Styles/Daniels from the last two TNA PPVs.
2) Their fanboy loyalty and ability to be easily marketed to rivals that of Nintendo fans.
The Samoa Joe/AJ Styles/Christopher Daniels match is probably match of the decade, and a download link has been posted in wrestling threads here recently... just watch it and then try and stomach 35 minutes of Austin rehashing a tired gimmick and feud, two full segments of HHH beating on an old man with a sledgehammer, and a boring champion that can't wrestle being forced to wrestle an old guy who isn't a wrestler (your main event, btw).
No one's saying TNA is perfect or consistent, but they at least have TWO watchable segments on each of their PPVs and TV shows... there was nothing watchable on Raw last night except Lita. (I'm still waiting for some screencaps... even wwe.com doesn't have any of her.)
jobber
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
I did see #1 and I find WWE entertaining. Entertaining is the key word son. Wrestling isn't about the work rate or any of the athletic stuff anymore. That ended when the Attitude hit.
Stone Cold saying What for 30 minutes is more entertaining that TNA's first "network" show and I've followed TNA since it first started.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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I haven't said anything about workrate being my requirement for a good wrestling show.jobber said:
I still didn't see anything entertaining about last night's show. It's kind of embarrassing that you guys are accepting what we saw last night as entertainment. I'd hope you're just forgetting the glory years of Kurt Angle/Christian/Edge/Mick Foley, Kurt Angle/Steve Austin/Vince McMahon, The Rock/Michael Cole/Mick Foley, etc. THOSE were entertaining skits and segments. Kurt Angle stealing Steph from HHH is an entertaining storyline that didn't require any sort of workrate to get over and be enthralling to watch.
I didn't see any of that sort of classic entertainment magic last night. I'm wondering why you'd watch Stone Cold do one joke and gimmick into the fucking ground for over 30 minutes instead of watching any other show on TV which easily packs in dozens and dozens of jokes and a couple good, well-developed storylines into the same timeframe. Last night, I mostly saw washed up guys repeating their same gimmicks and angles for 3 fucking hours, and boring matches without any emotion or entertaining aspects behind them (I loved the ending visual with Lita holding Matt back as he watched Edge win, though).
To a WWE fan, that is the reality. But every other promotion takes wrestling seriously. To a WWE fan, wrestling isn't about workrate, but to real wrestling fans it is. People who bitch about the WWE still tune in every week to see whats left of their wrestling product. I have such a love for wrestling that I put up with a lot of WWE's crap just to see HBK, Mysterio, Benoit, Angle etc...
The show that set attendance records this year wasn't wrestlemania, it was Pro Wrestling NOAH Destiny. In japan, wrestling is so popular because it is a sport, not a circus sideshow. I think there is a market for Pure Wrestling in America, but many people just don't think it exists, and when they think of wrestling they think of bad actors prancing around in tights instead of hard hitting, emotional, epic battles. But even if WWE continues to completely put wrestling on the sideline and concentrate more on the circus antics, you people will still love it. To those saying things like-
and
Can you really call yourselves wrestling fans? To people like you, I think WWE is just like any other TV show. Some of us actually take wrestling seriously. And before you say that taking wretling seriously is pathetic, just think- every wrestler backstage takes it just as seriously as I do, and moreso. And they themselves don't like that the WWE is becoming more focused on Divas and skits than actual wrestling. So what do you have to say about that? At least admit that you are close minded WWE fanboys instead of acting like you've actually given a non WWE product a chance.
I do agree that people shouldn't constantly troll WWE threads though.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Same thing people said about Sabu/Douglas/Dreamer in 94-95...
If TNA does happen to take off like wildfire, and I hope it does so that it spurs some competition in the industry to get WWE to stop resting on old laurels (because honestly, RAW homecoming was more about stuff that HAS happened, rather than what is GOING to happen in the future), I will be interested to see how many current TNA diehard start to frown on the product and say it was better when it was "underground" or whatever.
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Outcast2004 said:
I never said there was no room for an alternative. But the circumstances now are quite different than they were ten years ago. Vince is hardly likely to make the same mistakes in dismissing TNA like he did WCW. You really have to look no further than "Brother Devon" and "Brother Ray" to see that. It's going to be a much tougher struggle for TNA to make it, because it's hard for lightning to strike twice in the way that WCW caught fire seemingly out of nowhere.
YOU, seem to be the one who doesn't want the alternative. YOU want wrestling to be all about the workrate, and spotfests, and insane circus acrobatics. YOU completely want to disregard anywone who enjoys what the WWE has to offer as a simpleminded fool. I think there is room for both pure wrestling AND sports entertainment, and I can enjoy both. One does not need to exist at the expense of the other.
I agree with you on this-the wrestling side of the WWE has certainly been lacking, and for a long time. But-and let's not forget this here-what were casual wrestling fans talking about on Tuesdays during the last wrestling boom? The Chris Jericho/Dean Malenko feud, or Austin, DX, and Val Venis? Even when WCW was stomping all over WWE, it was on the strength of Hogan and the NWO. The cruisers and the midcarders were a nice side dish, but they were hardly the main draw.
I'm sure you'll dismiss me now as some sort of a WWE fanboy, and I guess, to an extent, you'd be right. I haven't seen enough of TNA to become a fan yet, and my interest in wrestling has waned enough over the past few years that I can't be bothered to go find some ROH tapes or watch some indy wrestling fed. (Although I've downloaded that Styles/Daniels/Samoa match, I haven't had time to watch it yet.) But I think blindly dismissing the talent the WWE currently has (and there IS young talent there), is just as bad as that guy claiming Shane McMahon's Ali dance is more entertaining than what TNA is putting out there.
LKBAP said:
I haven't watched RAW yet, but this is what concerned me leading into the show last night. Bringing back all those legends certainly is a draw for the people that haven't seen the product in years, but they had an opportunity to use those legends to spotlight the fresh new talent they have there. With three hours, I'd hoped they'd treat this more like a PPV, instead of a Special Attraction Show.
jobber
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3kuSaS said:
jesus christ man get the thong out your ass. If you're looking for WWE to put on a New Japan type of show then you need medical help.
WWE/F has given up putting on any 45 minute "classic" matches ever since they started the 12/15 PPVs a year. Why give away something people would pay $35 a show to see on free tv? Think about it. Raw and Smackdown are nothing but 2 hour infomercials for the PPVs. You should know that by now. Stone Cold in his heel days was the best thing I've seen out of him...EVER. That's when the What chant caught on. Honestly, I miss it.
Brian Fellows
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I've just never been able to take Stone Cold seriously ever since him and Kurt were fighting over who got to sing to Vince. That shit was comedy gold but it ruined his character in the process.
Outcast2004
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Battlezone I'll hndle your comments when I get home after 6.
I've got a lot to say on this topic, but am not at liberty to type that much now.....
I've got a lot to say on this topic, but am not at liberty to type that much now.....
I never said that WWE should try and emulate Japanese wrestling...In reality, i just want them to balance the entertainment and wrestling better instead of wrestling being second to the entertainment. Especially since the entertainment comes from Hollywood writers who can't get a real job in the entertainment industry. If the WWE wants to get rid of the "soap opera for men" image that it has held it back, I believe that quality wrestling should be the main focus. I really loved the WWE during the Gold Rush tournament this year and I was hoping that was the start of WWE's wrestling comeback, but then came the Diva search...and it all went downhill from there.
BTW, here are the TNA ratings.
http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=14418
850,000 viewers is not a bad start, especially considering that Velocity in the same time slot usually got .4-.6 range. This is also a better rating than anything on Spike besides the UFC stuff. Plus giving away the 1st 30 minutes of the next PPV free is pure genius, especially because its the PPVs where TNA totally owns WWE as far as quality wrestling. Again, I totally think TNA has a chance to make an 'Impact' in the American wreslting scene
BTW, here are the TNA ratings.
http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=14418
850,000 viewers is not a bad start, especially considering that Velocity in the same time slot usually got .4-.6 range. This is also a better rating than anything on Spike besides the UFC stuff. Plus giving away the 1st 30 minutes of the next PPV free is pure genius, especially because its the PPVs where TNA totally owns WWE as far as quality wrestling. Again, I totally think TNA has a chance to make an 'Impact' in the American wreslting scene
Outcast2004
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Battlezone said:
Vince may not be likely to make the same mistakes, but he'll do entirley NEW mistakes! Yes it wil be an uphill battle for TNA, but on the other hand Vince needs to realize that a little competition is good for his buisness as well. You're going to have people that watch TNA and not WWE and vice versa. If you can get those same fans to cross poolinate each other it only helps with merchandise and ratings.
Let's face facts here. WWE is in the shitter creativley and talent wise right now. Too many situations of bringing up KIDS way too soon. They are as green as grass and have no business on TV. Mostly it's because they have million $ bodies. Their talent on the other hand? About $10
As for WCW? they didn't just catch on out of nowhere... they were on Saturday nightTV for ages before doing Nitro live every week. Turner has a love and respect for wrestling and decided to show that in the roster and budget. No good deed goes unpunished though. The costs got out of control and the inmates ran the asylum...into the ground. This was all after Turner was no longer in direct control though. His no-compete wit the WWE is up this year... so we'll see what happens.
Battlezone said:
YOU seem to be fishing here. I WANT and alternative. WWF/E was at it's best when it had competition. When there is an alternative you have more reason to bring your best to the table. As a long time fan of wrestlign as a whole I am disgusted with the product that WWE has put out for the past 3 years. They have their moments, but overall? not very good.
What do I want out of a wrestling match? Real simple, a real simple storyline that isn't overly-dramatic (guy has title, other guy wants title that's all you need), good in ring work. I agree that there is room for both entertainment and pure wrestling, unfortunatly Vince doesn't see it that way. The wrestling is suffering at the expense of his ridciulous soap opera/quasi-comedic tripe.
With TNA I know I'm at leas tgoing to get one great match a show, PPV wise at least 3. WWE's PPVs have been so sub par that I feel sorry for people who pay for them. Look at the card for No Mercy and tell me ONE good match on there. You'll be hard pressed to find one that looks good on paper. The only possible saving grace is the US Title 4 way and even that has the possibility to fall apart.
What's WWE going to do within the next couple of years when his best workers all start retiring? Benoit, HBK and Angle all don't have much time left on their bodies.
Battlezone said:
Well the "attitude era" was a different beast altogether. Yes you had the great moments with your Austins/DX and so forth. But you also had guys who could work a great match. BUT, you can't compare audiences between now and then. It's a much different time. Your audiences are MUCH smarter to whats int front of them now. Wrestlemania 20's Lesnar/Goldberg match was an example of this. WWE did not even acknowledge that Lesnar was gone, but the crowd knew.
Battlezone said:
You don't know enough about the product(s) yet want to run it into the ground? Sounds a bit hypocritical to me. So don't dismiss something if you can't make an educated assessment.
As for myself, I am a fan of both. I watch them both every week as well as PPV's.. good or bad. It kills me to see WWE slip like this. They had the potential to knock the ball out of the park on their "Homecoming" and they failed to deliver. This should have been used as an opportunity to get back on a trend of making RAW a "must-watch" and they dropped the ball entirely.
As for WWE's talent, I'm not disputing that there is potential there. The problem stems from them being so un-ready to be put in front of a live crowd. Look no further that Chris Masters. He doesn't get cheers or heat, just indifference. No one cares.
Plain and simple they are trying way too hard to make stars. That's not the way it works, the crowd makes the wrestlers stars.
Battlezone said:
Exactly. The matches did not deliver and the legends (and Dean Malenko) served almost no purpose. Instead of showcasing some of the talent they do have they decided to try and live on past accomplisments... and it backfired.
Of course this is WWE they have no advance planning for anything anymore. They try to get from one PPV to the next with no goal in sight.
Battlezone
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Outcast, I think we're really arguing the same side of the coin here, but I just wanted to add a couple of comments:
When I made that remark about WCW catching fire out of nowhere, I meant Monday Nitro. I'm well aware of WCW Saturday Night; I watched it every Saturday at 8:05 for years.
I don't think you can use WM 20 as an example of how the audience has gotten smarter; it was in New York, and that crowd has ALWAYS skewed smarter. Same with Philly. Same with Toronto. That's why WM 18 turned into BizarroLand and was directly responsible for Hogan Nostalgia Run #48231.
Where did I run anything into the ground? You must have missed my post in the iMPACT thread about how I enjoyed the first episode, although there were some things that gave me pause. I never dismissed anything; all I said was my interest as a wresting fan has diminished to the point where I don't seek out any alternatives. And you can place the blame for THAT directly at the feet of Vince McMahon.
When I made that remark about WCW catching fire out of nowhere, I meant Monday Nitro. I'm well aware of WCW Saturday Night; I watched it every Saturday at 8:05 for years.
I don't think you can use WM 20 as an example of how the audience has gotten smarter; it was in New York, and that crowd has ALWAYS skewed smarter. Same with Philly. Same with Toronto. That's why WM 18 turned into BizarroLand and was directly responsible for Hogan Nostalgia Run #48231.
Where did I run anything into the ground? You must have missed my post in the iMPACT thread about how I enjoyed the first episode, although there were some things that gave me pause. I never dismissed anything; all I said was my interest as a wresting fan has diminished to the point where I don't seek out any alternatives. And you can place the blame for THAT directly at the feet of Vince McMahon.
:lol at the signs that were in the front row:
he got pwned at the beggining of the show tho. when mick came out, he held up signed that said "foley=stuntman" while mick's back was turned to him as he was addressing the camera side and once mick turned around he looked at the smark and the dude got punked out and hid his sign behined the barrier w/ the quickness :lol
he got pwned at the beggining of the show tho. when mick came out, he held up signed that said "foley=stuntman" while mick's back was turned to him as he was addressing the camera side and once mick turned around he looked at the smark and the dude got punked out and hid his sign behined the barrier w/ the quickness :lol
Hydro_Alexis
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Nope he the reason i stopped watching wrestling and stephanie is hot bring that bitch back and i will start watching again promiseNameless said:
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
http://media.putfile.com/WCW---Jericho-Reads-His-1004-Hol
Someone figure out how to dowload this then send it to me!!!!!!!
Someone figure out how to dowload this then send it to me!!!!!!!
I wouldn't be surprised at all.Guzim said:
As a matter a fact, I thought the reason they put Coach on and turned it into a 3 man annouce team in the first place was because it was part of some plan to eventually phase him out completely.
I really don't see him replacing either Cole or Tazz on Smackdown either. Looks like his days are numbered.
FortNinety
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Guzim said:
Sorry, but I'm a web noob on a Mac. Could you please clarify?
FortNinety
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Guzim said:
FUCK! The link won't work!
I wonder if yousendit is banned from my work... I'll just have to download it later tonight at home. But thanks!
dskillzhtown
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Guzim said:
The rumor is that JR is going off Raw soon, maybe within 2 weeks and will be announcing the WWE.com broadcast of Raw instead.
Ninja Scooter
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DMczaf said:
Its even better in motion :lol
:lol Mrs. McMahon.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Lita looking as skanky as ever.
U.2.K. Tha Greate$t
Banned
wrestling is like a damn sopa opera. S*** fell off years years years ago.
Ninja Scooter
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DMczaf said:This wont end pretty...
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