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The PlayStation 5 Is Starting to Look Like the Revolution It Promised

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3liteDragon

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What’s happening with Sony’s latest console, now that it’s been out for six months? Supply issues aside, it’s proving to be much more than a simple evolution.
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Six months after its November 12 debut, the PlayStation 5 is well on its way to being a success story for Sony. As of March 31, the company had sold 7.8 million of the new video game consoles worldwide—enough, in both units and dollars, to make it the biggest console launch in US history. Bigger than the Nintendo Wii. Bigger than the Xbox One. Bigger than even the PS4. And who knows what that number might be if everyone who wanted one was actually able to buy one. In the world of gaming, PlayStation reigns supreme, but it isn’t Supreme. It’s not engineering scarcity to create marketing buzz like a street-wear company; it’s trying to get its $399 console into customers’ hands. Which is exactly why, in the same breath that he’s using to discuss how the PS5 is outpacing even its mega-selling predecessor, Sony Interactive Entertainment president and CEO Jim Ryan is apologizing.

“We’re working as hard as we can to ameliorate that situation,” Ryan says on a Zoom call, mere hours after receiving his second Covid-19 vaccination shot. “We see production ramping up over the summer and certainly into the second half of the year, and we would hope to see some sort of return to normality in terms of the balance between supply and demand during that period.”

If you’re among the unlucky not-quite-few still having trouble getting their hands on one, you already know the beats of this story too well. Back in November, the twin launches of the PS5 and the Xbox Series X came in the midst of a global lockdown—and what felt like perfect timing for stir-crazy gamers proved to be a perfect storm for sales snafus. The same production and logistical snarls that made it damn near impossible to get a home appliance last year curtailed distribution. In the absence of factory visits and in-person quality checks, vendor relations became far more challenging. When release day finally came, the necessity of online-only sales opened the door for bots and predatory resellers to scoop up big chunks of precious inventory and jack the prices higher than Usher’s falsetto. And then there’s the semiconductor shortage that has affected TV companies and carmakers alike.

So promises of amelioration may feel like cold comfort. But whether you’re among the 7.8 million who already have a PS5, or the millions who might have one if not for that whole unprecedented-global-disruption thing, the real question is whether the PS5 is delivering the experience. Are developers harnessing its feature set to create games that weren't possible before? Have first-party and indie studios navigated the pandemic well enough to keep the pipeline of exclusive titles stocked? Is the PS5 proving to be, as PlayStation chief architect Mark Cerny promised two years ago, a revolution rather than an evolution?

The short answer is yes. The slightly longer and more accurate answer is, it’s getting there.

The day a new game console comes out is about far more than a shiny new piece of hardware. It’s also traditionally a chance for a company to make an argument for said hardware through software—including games that could only be played on that console. System-sellers can happen anytime, but launch system-sellers are a special breed. Think Halo: Combat Evolved on the original Xbox. Resogun on the PS4. Super Mario 64. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild. Hell, think Wii Sports. (And yes, Nintendo has always leaned on its launch titles harder than anyone. It’s had to—it doesn’t compete on console horsepower, instead attracting customers with gotta-play-it first-party exclusives.)

But by 2020, when the Series X and PlayStation 5 arrived to signal the dawn of a new generation, those expectations had changed somewhat. The PS5 may have launched with a dozen titles, but nearly all the standouts, from Spider-Man: Miles Morales to Assassin’s Creed: Valhalla, could be played either on the PlayStation 4 or another platform. On paper, this might have been disappointing. Consider, though, that the best PS5 games weren’t there to be exclusives; they were there to be showcases. People could web-swing through Manhattan as Miles Morales on their PS4, but they couldn’t fast-travel across the city in mere seconds unless they were on a PS5, with its load-time-killing solid-state hard drive. They could enjoy the scenery on the PS4, but they couldn’t see Miles’ reflection in buildings and puddles as they passed without the ray-tracing effects that the PS5 enabled. ”When you can see true reflections in a video game, it's a pretty spectacular moment for players,” says Ted Price, founder and CEO of Spider-Man developer Insomniac Games.

Beyond dialing up eye candy and intensity, those early titles also became a barometer by which Sony Interactive could gauge how developers were utilizing the new features the PS5 made possible—not just ray-tracing or the SSD, but 3D audio capabilities, or the robust haptics of the DualSense controller and its “adaptive triggers” that can deliver variable pressure. Just because a machine can do something doesn’t mean developers will take advantage of it, either immediately or at all. But last summer, at a console reveal event, Sony showed off a double handful of titles that would be arriving for the PS5, six of which featured ray-tracing.

“That’s astonishing,” says Cerny. “I thought ray-tracing was something that would be used in second and third-generation titles. I thought that maybe an early title might show a little bit about the potential, and it would be one of those things where you’d be wondering, as somebody involved with the creation of the hardware, was this worthwhile to be put in, given the associated cost in silicon? And to have that question answered the very first time titles were shown in public was amazing.”

Amazing because some console tech never catches on, either because it’s simply not intuitive (Cerny cites the PlayStation Vita’s rear touchpad) or because it takes time to learn the intricacies of a new machine. Anytime a new console is on the horizon, and again when it's released, Cerny travels around the world talking to studios about its capabilities, and he’s heard it all—including literal boos, as when he told one unnamed developer years ago that the forthcoming PS4 might use a bit of Flash memory to help cache data. (The boo worked; Sony moved away from that architecture choice.)

Cerny’s most recent developer tour happened virtually, of course, but he was surprised by what he found. “The conversations can be very contentious,” he says. “I actively seek out the people who will have strong opinions, who clearly lay out all the issues they're having with the hardware, so that we can get busy thinking about how we can address those in the future.” The PS3’s architecture made it difficult to get a graphics pipeline going; the PS4’s CPU wasn’t as powerful as folks hoped. The PS5, Cerny says, has found miraculously little pushback.

Now, six months after launch, a new phase of PS5 games has begun: titles that are leveraging the console’s capabilities to push forward. First was Returnal, a console exclusive from Housemarque, the same studio that created PS4 standout Resogun. The creepy rogue-like shooter received raves for its immersive narrative techniques and atmospheric gameplay that tapped into the PS5’s 3D audio and haptics like nothing before it. When players run through an overgrown biome on a hostile alien planet, the raindrops somehow feel like they’re coming through the controller itself. Aiming your weapon at an attacking creature is a two-part process: Your trigger stops halfway to use your usual sidearm, and depressing it more unlocks the weapon's secondary function. (Astro’s Playroom, a cute platformer from first-party Japan Studios that came preinstalled on the PS5, shows off the DualSense’s haptics as well, but it functions as a tech demo as much as a game.)

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Housemarque isn’t even a first-party developer; what’s coming from the collection of companies under the PlayStation Studios umbrella bears out the breadth and depth of the pipeline. In June, Insomniac will follow up Miles Morales with Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart, the newest installment in its long-running platform shooter franchise. The SSD’s impact is on full display there, allowing players to walk through dimensional portals and emerge nearly instantly into an entirely other level. Later this year, Guerrilla Games will release Horizon Forbidden West, a sequel to its massive 2017 hit Horizon Zero Dawn. While Forbidden West will be available on the PS4 as well, Guerrilla studio director Angie Smets credits the DualSense’s haptics capabilities with allowing special sauce well beyond fast travel and graphical fidelity. ”If you want to take a stealth approach to a combat situation and you dive into long grass,” she says, “you can feel those long grass leaves.”

According to Hermen Hulst, a Guerrilla co-founder whom Jim Ryan tapped to lead PlayStation Studios in 2019, the group has more than 25 titles in development for the PS5—nearly half of which are entirely new IP. “There’s an incredible amount of variety originating from different regions,” Hulst says. “Big, small, different genres.”
And in many of those cases, Sony’s shared services became a lifeline for studios navigating lockdown. Having moved all its employees home in early 2020, Guerilla Games found itself staring down the barrel of a game that hadn’t even finished its voice and performance capture, let alone play-testing. For the audio, Guerrilla shipped recording booths to the voice actors’ homes. Performance capture was tougher, since it couldn’t use its usual facilities in California, but last summer the studio moved into a new Amsterdam space they’d designed to have a motion-capture stage; that, plus some very careful hygiene, allowed them to get what they needed. And the play-testing? Well, it’s a good thing Sony had invested in cloud gaming for its streaming service PlayStation Now. “Seeing that first play test using PlayStation was a huge relief,” says Smets. “Knowing that, ‘OK, great, we can continue."

Indies are getting in on the fun too. Haven Studios, a new venture from industry veteran Jade Raymond, has partnered with Sony for its next game, as has Firewalk Studios for an unannounced multiplayer title. Ember Lab, an animation and digital studio, is releasing its first major game, the Zelda-esque Kena: Bridge of Spirits, in August; while the game began its life as a PS4 title, Sony encouraged co-founders (and brothers) Josh and Mike Grier to make it available on both. Now, the pair is excited not just about what they’ve been able to do with the added horsepower—more characters onscreen, 3D audio, using the haptics to make the protagonist’s bow and arrow feel as lifelike as possible—but what they’ve learned for when it comes time to make their next title. “Our groundwork was on the PS4,” says Josh Grier. “But looking at game two, focusing on taking advantage of the SSD and building mechanics and tools around that, will be really fun. I know for sure we haven't fully taken advantage of how actually fast it is—we were getting a lot of benefits of it being just out-of-the-box better. But I think you can push it even more.”

Save for Returnal, of course, all that’s in the offing. But just because the best might be yet to come doesn't mean PS5 owners haven't been using it so far: According to Sony spokespeople, from launch through the end of March, users logged 81 percent more time on the console than on the PS4 during its own comparable period in 2013-14. Similarly, 11 percent more game units have been sold during the PS5's first five months than on its predecessor. Is some of that thanks to increased home time? No question. Across the PlayStation ecosystem, user gameplay time was 20 percent higher in March 2021 than a year prior. There's some irony, of course, in the fact that the thing driving usage is also in part driving shortages. "What you’re seeing is the high demand that we’ve seen during the pandemic coming across all aspects of consumer electronics," says Carolina Milanesi, president and principal analyst at Creative Strategies. "Televisions, consoles: We were just online more than we ever have been before."

But it also speaks to the strength of the offerings—even if they represent earlyish explorations of the PS5 feature set. Many of the cross-platform titles performed better on the PS5 than they did on the Xbox Series X, for instance.
And for the folks inside the company who have been playing preview builds, there’s a feeling of deep satisfaction about what’s to come. “I spent some time yesterday with Horizon Forbidden West for the first time in seven or eight months,” says Hermen Hulst, who had been involved with the game in its early years before leaving Guerrilla to head up PlayStation Studios. “To step away and to come back to it? Talk about giving me a gift.”
 
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Matsuchezz

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If Sony somehow includes their first party games and third party games in an exact service like gamespass. Sony would surpass in value whatever gamepass is offering simply due to first party sony is far superior than first party ms. Ms has the numbers but not the quality devs. If sony merge psnow and plus in one service or offer flavors of one unified service. Ps fans could have the sweetest deal in gaming obliterating MS gamepass. Jim Ryan said they are preparing something. If this come to pass It could be very very sweet.
 
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Razvedka

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Some of the content is interesting. The bits from Cerny's perspective:

Cerny’s most recent developer tour happened virtually, of course, but he was surprised by what he found. “The conversations can be very contentious,” he says. “I actively seek out the people who will have strong opinions, who clearly lay out all the issues they're having with the hardware, so that we can get busy thinking about how we can address those in the future.” The PS3’s architecture made it difficult to get a graphics pipeline going; the PS4’s CPU wasn’t as powerful as folks hoped. The PS5, Cerny says, has found miraculously little pushback.
 
I guess it could be in the right scenario. 3D audio head set, top of the line TV, etc. Oh which I have neither, lol.

Nothing on the PS5 is all that mind blowing (not to take anything away from Returnal and Demon's Souls). Too early still but like with every generation, we'll eventually get those insane mind blowing experiences once developers truly harness the power.

Remember the PS2 launch? Fantavision, Madden, Orphen. It took a while for the goods to be delivered.
 

Clear

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The problem is non-technically minded people simply didn't understand the ramifications of having an ultra-performant i/o stack.

Even "enthusiast"-types I think were somewhat unaware due to them being used to measuring benefit based on stuff like GPU throughput, which is working at a higher level (of abstraction) from the engine than the data flow that feeds the render/rasterization pipeline.
 
If Sony somehow includes their first party games and third party games in an exact service like gamespass. Sony would surpass in value whatever gamepass is offering simply due to first party sony is far superior than first party ms. Ms has the numbers but not the quality devs. If sony merge psnow and plus in one service or offer flavors of one unified service. Ps fans could have the sweetest deal in gaming obliterating MS gamepass. Jim Ryan said they are preparing something. If this come to pass It could be very very sweet.
Please no. I want the premium games. We won't get that with a rental service. I'll gladly pay for higher quality.
 
Right now there is no killer app for either PS5 or Series X. I love the super fast loading times, and I've enjoyed enhanced last gen games on the Series X, but there is no one must have console selling game yet. PS5 is slowly moving up the list though. I want to play Demon's Souls, but I own it on PS3 so I can wait until a price drop. I want to play Miles Morales but while I enjoyed Spider-Man it wasn't one of my favorite Sony games from last gen, so again, I can wait for a price drop. I am sort of interested in Returnal (but not until it gets cheaper). Ratchet & Clank is the first game so far that looks like I would be willing to buy at full price.
 

Matsuchezz

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Please no. I want the premium games. We won't get that with a rental service. I'll gladly pay for higher quality.
Yep I am with you I have no problem paying for quality games, i was just saying if that were to happen it would be like that, but Jim ryan hinted that something is coming. I do not think SIE devs would lower the quality of the games in order to ship more games to fill such a service.
 
Yep I am with you I have no problem paying for quality games, i was just saying if that were to happen it would be like that, but Jim ryan hinted that something is coming. I do not think SIE devs would lower the quality of the games in order to ship more games to fill such a service.
I think quality would dip. It's a lot more pressure to ensure super high quality when your game HAS to sell for $70 and not be just good enough to keep people from cancelling their rental subscription service.
 

NickFire

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If both consoles were pushing out next gen games like Sony is, it would be gospel by now that new gen truly is revolutionary for consoles. NES was revolutionary at the time. 3d graphics were revolutionary at the time. Online was revolutionary at the time. And these SSD's are in a whole new league compared to all prior disc based consoles.

Edit: I forgot about the controller. Yeah, it really is that good.
 
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RoboFu

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Games.

PS. I wish for curiosity to live in that reality that the games on PS5 are not showing the promises.
What games?
A revolution is a complete change in what we had before. 99% of the games on ps5 are on ps4 and other platforms.

now that doesn’t mean it couldn’t be in the future with some truly ground breaking games and/or experiences. It just isn’t there currently.
 
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ethomaz

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What games?
A revolution is a complete change in what we had before. 99% of the games on ps5 are on ps4 and other platforms.

now that doesn’t mean it couldn’t be in the future with some truly ground breaking games and/or experiences. It just isn’t there currently.
Well I have a PS5 and the games made for it are truly revolutionary... play Astro or Returnal and you will understand.

It is not just about graphics... perception, feeling, audio, etc... the experience changed.

Plus the sub 2s loading is a thing you can’t go back anymore.
 
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What games?
A revolution is a complete change in what we had before. 99% of the games on ps5 are on ps4 and other platforms.

now that doesn’t mean it couldn’t be in the future with some truly ground breaking games and/or experiences. It just isn’t there currently.
The generation is only a few months old.

We have Demon's Souls, Astro's Playroom, Returnal, Godfall and Ratchet and Clank in a few weeks. Certain cross-gen games like Spider-Man and Sackboy still utilize many of the PS5 specific features.
 
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sircaw

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From "in serious trouble" to a "revolution" in six months.

Either Sony managed a way to completely alter course within that six month span, or the media is incredibly short sighted and is trying to sell a narrative for clicks rather than being responsible and looking at reality. :pie_thinking:
i think its got something to do with the amazing games they are releasing like demon souls, r+c, returnal etc
 

Fbh

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Literally reads like something you'd expect to see posted on the playstation blog.
Anyway, I'm sure that in time these console will have really awesome games. But for now they are mostly just tools to play nicer versions of Ps4/Xb1 games. Hardly revolutionary.

From "in serious trouble" to a "revolution" in six months.

Either Sony managed a way to completely alter course within that six month span, or the media is incredibly short sighted and is trying to sell a narrative for clicks rather than being responsible and looking at reality. :pie_thinking:

I still don't get the "in trouble" part.
Availability issues aside it seems to be selling really well and people seem happy with it.
 

Kimahri

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If Sony somehow includes their first party games and third party games in an exact service like gamespass. Sony would surpass in value whatever gamepass is offering simply due to first party sony is far superior than first party ms. Ms has the numbers but not the quality devs. If sony merge psnow and plus in one service or offer flavors of one unified service. Ps fans could have the sweetest deal in gaming obliterating MS gamepass. Jim Ryan said they are preparing something. If this come to pass It could be very very sweet.
Oh bla bla, yuppity yadda bla blergh.

The last great game Sony released was God of War III. After that it's just trite overhyped mediocrity.
 

Soulja

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I've had both since release and neither have been revolutionary, but I have been impressed by the increased frame rates and shorted loading times. If last gen games didn't work on both current gen consoles then it would of been a very boring 6 or 7 months.
 
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