[The Rare Canceled Game Art Thread]
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StealthGoblin
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Lijik said:
mysteriousmage09
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2 big names in one generation isn't enough to be concerned? With this and Bungie wanting away from them, it's pretty clear that MS's management over their devs is utter shit. Making Ensemble (a dev that's famous only for rts games) work on a damn Halo MMO? Force RARE to work on sports games instead of more Banjo or the highly wanted Killer Instinct revival?Linkified said:
You don't see Sony making GG work on a Sims like title.
goldenpp72
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mysteriousmage09 said:
Bungie felt they got a bad deal being bought out by microsoft and MS let them go and that makes them.. bad with developers?
What the fuck? Ensemble also failed on consoles, halo wars is very boring, like it or not MS is focusing on console stuff and even using a huge ip like halo couldn't get them a big hit, and ensemble to my understanding was hugely bloated to run, so they cut them.
The rest were just circumstantial, you can't blame MS for when developers want to venture off, anymore than when insomniac decided to make some multiplatform games :/
InaudibleWhispa
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I think its really unfair to dismiss Kinect Sports because of its genre. A lot of love was clearly put into the game and I'd argue that its the best example of the genre on any console. As well as the core games, the 16+ mini-games really take advantage of Kinect and I personally find them more fun. With party play (and awesome characters) and well implemented online play, it covers pretty much all multiplayer bases, and its full of little charming Rare touches. A generic cash-in sports title it is not.
ACES Game Studio, Digital Anvil, FASA Studio spring to mind.Linkified said:
oh and do blame MS:
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/microsoft-destroyed-development-culture-weisman
http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/features/rare-comments-from-phil-harrison/
mysteriousmage09 said:
Which ones have MS killed outside of Ensemble? Bungie the parted ways with sure but didn't kill them off. Bungie wanted to pursue other development opportunities if their next game is indeed an mmo/mmo-lite who would you want with experience on their side Microsoft or Blizzard?
So they have only killed one studio?
[Nintex] said:
Ok. Was he even around when FASA closed the doors, because didn't he set up Smith and Tinker in 2007?
riceandbeans
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[Nintex] said:
They also managed to piss off Bungie.
DeaconKnowledge
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The Rare of old is long dead. MS selling off arms an legs is of little consequence.
Argue that it's a great title in its own right, but c'mon, not a cash in? Kinect as a whole is a cash in on the Wii craze.
Wii Sports.jpg.InaudibleWhispa said:
Argue that it's a great title in its own right, but c'mon, not a cash in? Kinect as a whole is a cash in on the Wii craze.
NullPointer
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.Guevara said:
InaudibleWhispa
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I simply mean that they didn't just create a basic Wii Sports rip with no real identity of its own which would have probably sold just as well. They actually took the time to create a solid, content-filled game.DeaconKnowledge said:
Starwolf_UK
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I wish I knew the answer to this as well. In any case Wil still seems to be doing art related stuff but I have a feeling his website is more for the hobby side of things rather than the day job. Though he does show some examples of his work (I did not know about the anime UK stuff...that probably explains why there was even an anime section in Super Play). Also the portfolio does have concept art for a female avatar. I'm just trying to imagine Kinect Sports concept art now...Cerebral Assassin said:
plagiarize
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the mascots are awesomeStarwolf_UK said:
i'll be sad if this gets fully confirmed partly BECAUSE of Kinect Sports. that game is so polished, and more to the point full of personality and you can tell that the people who worked on it actually cared about it.
Hero of Legend
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apana said:
I went through Goldeneye Wii's credits at MobyGames, and found quite a number of Free Radical folks (un-noted below), plus one Rare guy... and even a Retro person!
Jon Tollman
Brad Warren (actually also did the renders in Diddy Kong Racing according to his LinkedIn profile)
Lewis Boadle
Simon Edgar
Stephen Davison
Chad Ellis
Keith Turner (Rare)
Jake Gumbleton
Martin Keywood
Kai Martin (Retro Studios)
Danny Wong (worked on Mario vs. Donkey Kong: Minis March Again)
I'm baffled at IGN saying something about a "number" of ex-Rare folks being at Eurocom, they were right about there being ex-Free Radical folks though (oddly, none of the above sans Brad Warren also worked at Rare...).
The Awkward Wizard
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When I read the thread title, I thought it just meant some artists were getting the axe, like last March. Then I clicked the link. I did not prepare myself for this.
God.
Fucking.
Dammit.
I still love Rare. Not just because of their Super Nintendo and N64 work, but also for Viva Pinata and Banjo Kazooie Nuts & Bolts, both being some of my favorite games (of this generation). I also liked the Avatars and Kinect Sports, but to watch them go down that path when their designers, artists, programmers, musicians can do so much more is painful to watch. I had hoped Perfect Dark's XBLA reception and rumors of Rare working on XBLA games meant that, in addition to doing stuff like Kinect Sports, we'd also get the quirky, funny, creative Rare we all love. But this news convinces me that I was far too optimistic.
I hope that their next few games prove me wrong.
God.
Fucking.
Dammit.
I still love Rare. Not just because of their Super Nintendo and N64 work, but also for Viva Pinata and Banjo Kazooie Nuts & Bolts, both being some of my favorite games (of this generation). I also liked the Avatars and Kinect Sports, but to watch them go down that path when their designers, artists, programmers, musicians can do so much more is painful to watch. I had hoped Perfect Dark's XBLA reception and rumors of Rare working on XBLA games meant that, in addition to doing stuff like Kinect Sports, we'd also get the quirky, funny, creative Rare we all love. But this news convinces me that I was far too optimistic.
I hope that their next few games prove me wrong.
Nuclear Muffin
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Starwolf_UK said:
Man that art takes me back. I used to love those mags, reading them as a kid (and the art of course!)
Retro Gamer is the best mag out there by far right now!
MrNyarlathotep
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goldenpp72 said:
I replayed PD on its HD rerelease on XBLA, and sorry, even with its obviously dated design it is a far superior single player game to PD0
right up until you go off to Skedar and chuck all the espionage action out of the window for a shitty poor mans version of Unreal, but that was weak sauce at the time too
PD0 is an outright shitty singleplayer FPS game; the fact that it needed glowing trails to show you where you were supposed to be going and what you were supposed to be doing because the objectives and level design were so bad that you couldn't intuit it any other way, the incredibly generic weapon design when - even though timewise it was a prequel and do justified in the storyline - it was ostensibly a sequel to a game with a host of hugely memorable weapons and gadgets, and the outright shitty plotline and setting (that managed to outdo the mostly shitty storyline but good setting of the orginal) all contributed to it's near universal and well deserved contempt for it as a game.
Seriously, I had more fun playing GRAW and that was a shitty shooter too.
Launch title-ness only gets you so far.
CrunchyFrog
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Oh wait, we've been saying this for like 10 years now haven't we?
Oh wait, we've been saying this for like 10 years now haven't we?
With Microsoft closing so many of it's own game development studios, it makes me wonder what they are planning for the next Xbox. I can only assume they will launch the system with just multiplatform titles, and hope people buy the system because of XBL?
Because if that's the case, it doesnt' seem like a very sound plan.
Because if that's the case, it doesnt' seem like a very sound plan.
It seems that with a future director of hardcore gaming(that they're currently looking for) MS is going to develop more games in-house. I'm not sure where that would be but they've been hiring a lot of game designers for their Redmond office and I doubt that they're all working on Halo stuff.JaxJag said:
REMEMBER CITADEL
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mysteriousmage09 said:
If I remember correctly, Ensemble approached Microsoft with the concept of the Halo MMO and Microsoft turned it down. And I'm pretty sure that I read some interviews in which ex-Ensemble guys claimed it was their inability to adapt that brought them down.
There's no doubt that some developers couldn't work with Microsoft, but Bungie never seemed to have a huge problem. They wanted to move away from Halo and become independent again, kind of like David Jaffe wanted to move away from God of War and become independent again, or like Insomniac wanted to go multiplatform and work with other publishers. It's just how this generation panned out, a lot of once exclusive franchises and developers decided to spread out.
And while we're talking about the good ole evil M, why don't we also mention all those studios they helped get up on their feet? Companies such as Mistwalker, Ruffian, Robot and others that Microsoft has successfully cooperated with. Hell, would Remedy even manage to remain afloat if it wasn't for Microsoft's support? And what about all those positions they opened within new studios under the MGS umbrella, including places for some of ex-ACES guys and so on?
It's not so black and white.
No, they just make their once major PS1 and PS2 studios work on PSP and PSN games.
timetokill
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Hoping there will be a Rare fire sale where their IP get sold off for cheap.
It would be so awesome for Nintendo to buy back some of the IP at a pittance compared to what they sold it for.
Obviously I'm curious to see what Retro could do with a new IP, but I'd imagine Retro could make a pretty good Banjo game.
It would be so awesome for Nintendo to buy back some of the IP at a pittance compared to what they sold it for.
Obviously I'm curious to see what Retro could do with a new IP, but I'd imagine Retro could make a pretty good Banjo game.
Hero of Legend
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Nintendo buying Banjo would be a godsend.
Problem is, MS owns him, not Rare, so Nintendo would have to pay top dollar for the IP.
Rare themselves DO won the DKR gang, Taj, Timber, Wizpig, etc. Those could end up back with the DK Crew if were lucky, it still pisses me to this day that they're not DK characters...
Problem is, MS owns him, not Rare, so Nintendo would have to pay top dollar for the IP.
Rare themselves DO won the DKR gang, Taj, Timber, Wizpig, etc. Those could end up back with the DK Crew if were lucky, it still pisses me to this day that they're not DK characters...
Nah it'll likely go down something like this:timetokill said:
A) No creative/lead staff, nothing exciting coming up, too expensive to keep Rare floating when all the staff consists of interns and contracters
B) Main HQ in Twycross shut down, fire sale on Ebay, server upgrade Unseen64 suddenly makes sense
C) If anyone is left they'll lose their job or are transfered to Lionhead
D) New studio in Birmingham renamed and continues to operate for Avatar/Kinect-testing purposes
REMEMBER CITADEL
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WrikaWrek said:
I agree, but if today's Rare couldn't make excellent games in those franchises (not saying that's the case, by the way), why not let someone else work on them? Give Banjo to Twisted Pixel, Perfect Dark to Monolith, Jet Force Gemini to Treasure...
Pretty sure these labels are pretty much all needed to get the point(s) across to the masses. Whether you were the one to immediately get that the boot means both Kinect and inept management that only cares about cash (because it's more than just one thing) doesn't mean the rest would.Stumpokapow said:
Saying that Kinect is obviously the boot or else you're an idiot is really ignorant.
ToyMachine228
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While I have certainly been disheartened by Rare's lack of productivity and sometimes creativity over the past two generations, the worst move was Rare being the developer of Kinect sports. Anyone could have developed that game. What I want from Rare is Banjo-Threei. The real Banjo-Threeie. A new Conker. Grabbed by the Ghoulies 2. YES! GRABBED BY THE GHOULIES 2 I SAID IT! And it might actually make sense on Kinect. Rare is just too talented a studio to have been pissing everything away. And I don't completely blame Microsoft. It started during the GameCube era. I think Rare themselves are as much to blame.
Rare is certainly to blame as well but all the above you're asking for was at some point 'pitched' and shot down by Microsoft or management. Some of those were in development for years, others for a month. Take Banjo Threeie for example, they wanted to start out with a Banjo remake, much like Conker's Live & Reloaded but Conker bombed so the plan to develop an altered version of Banjo Kazooie was shelved.ToyMachine228 said:
Shiggy said:Last month, this post appeared on 4Chan.
Initially, I did not intend to create a topic based on this post. After all, it was 4Chan, therefore nobody believed it, not even I.
But then some things have happened earlier this month. Animators and artists who had been there for five years or more started to depart, including art director Steven Crow, concept artist Ryan Firchau (the guy who made the famous butcher ;D) and apparently even Chris Seavor who hadn't directed anything since the Kinect change (his last known project was PD Core in early 2008).
Seavor's most recent tweets:
ElRenoRaven
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And his bio on twitter is very telling too.
charlequin
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Stumpokapow said:
He should've left the boot black and textless but put three little unevenly spaced circles on it.
Massa said:
"M$" was already an old and tired cliche in 1993 when I saw it on the internet for the first time, long before anything like that was happening.
plagiarize
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speaking of, and OT i know, but what ARE monolith up to these days? does anyone have any ideas? they're hiring, also looking for play testers.REMEMBER CITADEL said:
have any rumours leaked out what they might be up to?