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The Science of Successful Learning: Strategies to learn and remember knowledge

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This is an absolutely fantastic and essential book, and I would recommend it to anyone who considers themselves to be a lifelong learner or wants to become one. Like the title indicates, this is a book about the science of how we learn, what are the best strategies to learn effectively and what methods can we use to improve cognition/intelligence. In addition to that, this book provides up-to-date research on similar and related topics in cognitive psychology and neuroscience, specifically, mindset, cognitive biases, intelligence, and neural plasticity. However, I am going to specifically focus on learning strategies and ways to improve cognition/intelligence because I think that is what most people here will find useful. If anyone is interested in one of the topics and you don’t think I covered it in enough detail and are interested in it, I will write about it further.

Common learning and study strategies and why they are ineffective

Most students and learners study by reviewing notes and highlights, re-reading text, and doing this all in one big burst, otherwise known as cramming/massed practice. I know that is what I did in high school and college and, until recently, have just read, highlighted and commented in the margins of the non-fiction books that I have read. Does this sound like you? Well, that sort of learning/study strategy is ineffective.

Why is this ineffective?

Because simply being exposed to the material again does not actually make the material ‘stick’ in your mind. Going over the material in a cram session might allow you to pass the test, but the problem is, is that all of that information will just be stored in your working memory. You are not creating long-term memories because to create a long-term memory, it needs to be deeply encoded by understanding the underlying principle, making connections to prior knowledge, and/or that information be deeply personal. Essentially, performance in the moment is not an indicator of durable learning. Remembering and reciting information weeks after is. Reviewing and cramming can’t help you with that.

The most important component, however, is retrieval. Retrieval strengthens and consolidates this deep-encoding process. You can also identify areas that you struggle with, make adjustments to your learning, and, through repeated testing, make the information ‘stick’.

Why do most of us use such ineffective learning strategies? Shouldn’t we be good judges of our learning? Well, we should, but we arent. We delude ourselves into thinking that we are learning when we are really not (learning meaning it ‘sticking’ in our brains). We are masters of self-deception. The first self-deception when it comes to learning is that we mistake the ease and fluency with which we comprehend a text with learning. So with looking over notes and highlights and re-reading texts, we get more practice reading that material, and thus be able to comprehend it more, but we are not consolidating the information and taking steps to actually recall it when we need it. This was illustrated by a number of studies and experiments, but I will just briefly summarize a few. People actually learned more when the font’s text was slightly blurry. Crazy huh? But it makes sense if you realize that they had to concentrate a lot more reading the text and were less likely to confuse fluency with learning. The other studies have to do with the best learning strategies kicking the common ‘review and cram’ learning strategies butt.

Well, then what are these awesome learning strategies?

The first one is testing. Yes, testing is the best learning strategy, and if you take one thing from this post, then you should understand that testing yourself is vastly superior to cram and review as a learning strategy. In fact, that is precisely why I am writing this post. This is a form of testing, and I definitely want this information to ‘stick’ with me. How is this a test? Well, the authors use a very broad definition of testing since any action that requires you to retrieve and recite information from long term memory that you can then receive feedback on is testing to them. Recall, recite, feedback, and corrections = testing.

Well, then why does it work? You just need to go back a few paragraphs above to realize why it is better. review and cram uses working memory. Working memory, however, is temporary, and we forget about 70% of what we read and hear very quickly, the other 30% we will lose more slowly, but we will still lose it. Therefore, you can think of learning as interrupting the forgetting process. Testing yourself does this because you are not taking that knowledge from your working memory. You are taking it from your long-term memory, and the process retrieving this information from your long-term memory results in that learning being consolidated in that long-term memory and you actually being able to recall and recite that knowledge.

How should I test myself

The most effective way to test yourself is spaced-repetition testing. What is that? Well, it means test yourself before you read or learn something (this has been shown to increase learning in studies), test yourself after your learn something, and then continually test yourself if it is something that you want to ‘stick’ in your brain. That repeated testing after the fact is the most important part. Studies indicate that testing once helped learning, but repeated testing at spaced intervals yielded significant improvements in learning retention. I think this is best illustrated in a study in a middle school where a researcher tested the students in the beginning of class and at the end on some of the material. Come final test time, the students remembered that tested material a lot more than the non-tested material. And this experiment did not even use testing at spaced-intervals, which studies indicate is by far the most effective. Remember, we are masters of self-deception, so do not stop testing something you want to learn because you ‘think’ you ‘learned’ it. You can increase the time you go back and test yourself with that material, but never stop testing yourself.

How should I Test myself

Anything works. Flashcards, multiple choice tests, essays, reflections etc, but the simple rule is that the more cognitive effort you put into the test the better the results, so an essay, teaching, or a discussion will be better than flashcards. Feedback is also essential. You need to know what you are struggling with so that you can change up your learning process.

Test to understand the underlying principle, the rule, the theme, etc of what you are learning. This is essential because this creates a foundation of knowledge that you will be able to add new relevant learning to. Without this foundation, you will not know whether or not any new learning you do is relevant or necessary to that body of knowledge.

Interleaving

What is interleaving? Well, this test has informed me that I need to do a bit more learning on this process. However, my understanding is that your learning will improve if you ‘interleave’ two+ related subjects into your learning. This means that focused repetitive practice is not as effective, that ‘burning’ some knowledge or skill into your brain until you ‘get’ it, is not effective.

Two helpful examples that the book provided is that a company found it more beneficial to train employees in a new procedure by hopping from process 1 to 3 to 5 to 8, etc, rather than making sure the employee really understands 1 before going on to 2. Why? Well, this does not ‘feel’ effective to us, but it helps better understand the underlying principle of things and helps us distinguish and make connections.

A good example is batting practice. The book discusses a study where they had a college baseball team take 2 extra batting sessions a week for like 6 weeks (or something). The control group continued with their normal batting practice of 15 fastballs, 15 curveballs and 15 changeups. While the study group had no idea what pitch was going to be thrown at them. The study group struggled at first, but at the end of the study, they improved their batting average significantly. Why? because they were interleaving the pitches instead of doing a focused mass practice and they were studying how they play. Even though they struggled at first, they were improving their ability to distinguish pitches. This is pretty significant considering that these were already very good hitters.

practice how you play and vary it up

Test in a manner in the way you are going to actually use the knowledge. As for variability, the book gives an example of drill stations on a hockey rink. That is not effective because a hockey player is just learning how to do a touch-pass on that specific area on the rink in that specific context. Vary it up.

how do I improve cognition/intelligence?

First off, what is the difference between learning and cognition/intelligence? Basically, the learning strategies will be tied to the domain of what you are learning. You will learn and remember that domain very well, but it doesnt increase your natural ability to learn other things faster. You will simply know the best ways to learn. Well, what actions do result in a cognition multiplayer? For adults, there are three scientifically supported ones (babies and little kids have a lot more)

Mindset

This is by far the next most important component of learning. if you don’t want to do every strategy, then you should at least do testing and mindset. Well, what is it? Basically, this revolves around the research of Carol Dweck who wanted to find out why some people give up when they are confronted with failure while others persevere and overcome that failure. Her findings (extensively studied) is that it all comes down to mindset.

Well, what characterizes the people who take failure badly? They see failure as an indication of their innate ability. They think failure means that they are stupid, not intelligent and do not have any hope of overcoming that failure. Their mindset is ‘fixed’. They also see the purpose of learning to be achievement, not actual learning. Why? Well, since they see success and failure as an indication of their fixed ability and intelligence, then learning is simply a way to show the world how smart they are.

What does this result in? A fear of failure. Students who are successful with this mindset do not take risks. And if they are confronted with a hard problem that they do not know how to do, they give up and provide some sort of excuse. They are trying to protect their identity as intelligent. Their main priority isnt to learn, because taking risks and putting forth effort is essential to learning. It is even worse for students who have experienced repeated failure. They internalize a feeling of learned helplessness and simply give up. They think they are stupid and so what is the point? They don’t even try. I will admit that I had a fixed mindset for quite a while. ‘Luckily’, I was ‘successful’ one, but the negative impacts of this mindset definitely impacted my life in a negative way.

How about people who handle failure well? They see learning determined by effort, not by intelligence. Therefore, when they experience difficulty or failure, they view it as an opportunity to learn. This is the proper way to view failure because failure provides you with valuable information. It is one of the main reasons why testing is so effective as a learning strategy. Moreover, because they see learning as determined by effort, they are also willing to take a lot more risks in their learning and persevere through failure.

I am sure a few of you are thinking, is mindset actually backed up by ‘hard’ science or is it just a way to trick the mind. In fact, it is! Besides the loads and loads of studies that Dweck has done, neuroscience also backs it up thanks to neuroplasticity. Our brain changes based on our actions, which means that the power to increase our ability is largely within our own control. Intelligence isnt fixed, but does increase when you put forth cognitive effort.

Deliberate Practice

Increasing our ability being largely in our own hands is also born out by this. Deliberate practice is how you gain mastery in a certain domain. It is goal oriented, mostly solitary, and its purpose is to constantly exceed your past performance. To obtain mastery takes an incredible amount of time and really disproves the notion of ‘they are simply a natural’. No, they achieved mastery through long hours of deliberate practice.

The takeaway is that anyone can achieve mastery in a specific domain if they have the time and focus because what determines mastery is not innate ability, but the quantity and quality of practice. I am sure innate ability helps some, but the point is you can master a domain with just average abilities and deliberate practice, but you certainly can’t master it with natural abilities but no deliberate practice.

Memory Cues
I first should point out that memory cues are a method to organize knowledge that is already learned. You won’t learn anything from using these cues, and you won’t understand the underlying principle or theme of a topic without learning and mastering that first. So remembering a bunch of names and dates and thinking you know history is just stupid, because you dont.

So what is the point of memory cues? Well, it is to organize everything that you have learned and attached cues to what you have learned so you can immediately recall it. The most famous and extensive memory cue system would probably be the memory palace. Basically, it ties what you want to remember to mental images (the more shocking and out there the better) and ‘hangs’ them in an imagined physical location. When you want to recall something, you just mentally walk through that location and the images you placed in that location will trigger what you were trying to remember. Why does it work? Well, we are far better at remembering images than basically anything else. This takes advantage of that fact.

In conclusion, or holy crap that is a long post, just give me the essentials

If you take away two things from this post, then it should be that testing as a tool for learning is by far the most effective study method, and that you need to make sure that you either have or develop a growth mindset so you are psychologically ready to learn.

If you are looking for a good spaced-repetition testing program, then I would check out Anki. It is limited to flashcards, but it is very effective if you want to learn vocabulary or a bunch of terms and definitions.

Interested in learning more? Well, first read this book, but you could also read Mindset by Carol Dweck, Thinking Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman, and/or The Power of Habit by Charles Duhigg. I am sure there are many more, but these are the ones that I have read.
 
I find that one of the best ways to tie all of those things together is to force yourself to teach what you learned to someone else. I remember in high school, I used to always misuse semicolons, until one day a teacher got tired of my shit and made me teach its proper usage to the rest of the class; now I'll never forget it.

I actually kind of do something similar at work, now. How do you make testers improve their bug writing quality? What I do is ask them to write up a bug and then have someone completely unrelated to their project reproduce it without being able to directly communicate to the original writer. Every question from the second person leads to an opportunity to tune up the bug, and eventually the most communicative and concise style becomes second nature to the original bug writer.
 

Piecake

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I find that one of the best ways to tie all of those things together is to force yourself to teach what you learned to someone else. I remember in high school, I used to always misuse semicolons, until one day a teacher got tired of my shit and made me teach its proper usage to the rest of the class; now I'll never forget it.

I actually kind of do something similar at work, now. How do you make testers improve their bug writing quality? What I do is ask them to write up a bug and then have someone completely unrelated to their project reproduce it without being able to directly communicate to the original writer. Every question from the second person leads to an opportunity to tune up the bug, and eventually the most communicative and concise style becomes second nature to the original bug writer.

Oh, I definitely agree. Teaching is a fantastic way to test yourself. It requires you to put knowledge into your own words and then recall it. That right there is probably the test that takes the most cognitive effort.

It should be no surprise, but after this book, I really started to examine how I was taught in school, and barely any used these best learning practices.

The most obvious being college. So much of it was either just big papers or a mid term and a final with discussions or lectures. Well, the discussions are good (if you participate), but lectures could be vastly improved if the professor does an informal quiz before class, asks the students to solve a representative problem or put a question in their own words during the lecture and after an important theme, and do an informal quiz at the end of class. Moreover, Instead of a mid term or final, having a bunch of quizzes that kept on quizzing info from past quizzes would be far more effective

Another one was High School Math. How that is taught apparently flawed because it teaches units, then tests those units, then tests everything at the end. Problem is, is that there is no spaced-repetition testing and students to not get any practice with distinguishing which formula that they should use for a specific problem because teaching and tests (until the final) are all unit based.

A better method would be to include past problems in the homework given and include every previous formula, rule, problem (whatever) in every single test. That way, the students will actually remember how to do the problems and will have lots of practice in figuring out which formula they need to use.
 

jepense

Member
What you wrote is true and well accepted. Learning is an active process and it is up to the learner to do the learning. Learning can be fun but significant learning usually involves a lot of work. Because we tend to be lazy, we fool ourselves into thinking we can learn faster and more easily than we actually can. Since you seem to be interested in the subject, maybe you want to check out some introductory textbooks on pedagogy?

Things like memory cues and flash cards can help you through a test, but they are actually not good learning strategies because they aim at a very shallow level of learning - basically memorisation - and such knowledge is often useless if it needs to be applied in a new context. It's better to strive for deeper learning and mastery by applying your knowledge in meaningful ways. Practice and self-testing can be a part of this, but even then the testing should be more demanding than just requiring memory. True expertise in any skill or topic develops only after prolonged work on the subject.

Understanding how people learn can help you develop powerful learning strategies. Also, people are different and so you should not just stick to a given study recipe but experiment and find your own best methods. Of course books like these can give you plenty of ideas on what is likely beneficial.

Oh, and a lot of things in traditional school teaching (e.g. typical exams) drive students to use inefficient learning techniques, so it's not surprising that cramming is so common.
 

velociraptor

Junior Member
I appreciate this thread. I am due to start the second year of my medical school soon so I'm sure these strategies will come useful. Although I scored 80% for my medical sciences exams in the 1st year, I feel like I have forgotten most of it. Heh. I've used the tried and tested method of 'brute force learning' throughout my entire year...

I'll give this a proper read tomorrow morning and hopefully implement better strategies to learn.
 

Zaptruder

Banned
There's a certain implicit assumption that goes into a book like this...

That learners are entirely responsible for their own education.

Kinda true - you do need to take life with the mindset that you can always learn.

But at the same time, one of the biggest problems in education is that it presents material poorly. The very core assumption that kids should be taught in batches goes against the grain of efficient learning for the individual.

How the hell are you supposed to build meaningful connections when you're missing half the connections to get you to the next step, because the classes didn't teach them, or more likely rushed through them?

Ideally, we'd take advantage of modern tools to create a learning environment that allows for more questions, more iteration, more collaboration* and more mastery.

*similar to how we gather on GAF and talk about high falutin' shit - it's actually pretty much the testing scenario described in the OP - we use memory and recall to state our POV and let others spot incongruencies and help us auto-correct the information.

It's not that some people aren't able to thrive under the modern learning environment... but the advice gleaned from the excerpt seems to amount to... practice harder and better. Ok, but that's not a panacea for modern learning, and really amounts to saying something asinine like: Just use more willpower.

Outside of formal learning environments... the trick to been a life long learner is simply to pursue a wide range of subjects that you find interesting... and believe that everything relates and connects back into each other (because it does - it all exists in our universe after all). Eventually, that natural interest will help you build a very detailed and cohesive model of the world... which will help you better understand how you can interact with the world to achieve your ends.
 
Because we tend to be lazy, we fool ourselves into thinking we can learn faster and more easily than we actually can.

Things like memory cues and flash cards can help you through a test, but they are actually not good learning strategies because they aim at a very shallow level of learning - basically memorisation - and such knowledge is often useless if it needs to be applied in a new context.
I think this is the crux of the issue of learning. Ultimately, we--or most of us--try to avoid spending the greater amount of cognitive effort it would take to truly learn something. There are no shortcuts. And we can be lazy. Or sometimes we're just tired and don't want to study, even though we may know that the situation calls for it.

Finding a way to apply the knowledge can be hard, too, without having another person present to evaluate you. Simple things can be self-tested, but with something complex, it can be hard to tell if you are doing something correctly until someone more experienced can review your work.
 

Piecake

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Understanding how people learn can help you develop powerful learning strategies. Also, people are different and so you should not just stick to a given study recipe but experiment and find your own best methods. Of course books like these can give you plenty of ideas on what is likely beneficial.

I really think this is another form of self-deception. There is really no evidence for learning styles (if that is what you are referring to--and the evidence for multiple intelligence is inconclusive at best) and thinking that they do exist can have harmful effects because it can lead you to ineffective learning strategies, or worse, avoid reading because you are an 'auditory' and 'visual' learner.

I know everyone has learning preferences, but just because we all have preferences does not mean that those preferences are actually effective. I think this is again the whole fluency and ease deception. We like it because its easy, and since its easy we think we learned the material sufficiently. It doesnt work like hat though. Testing, in its broadest sense, definitely seems to be the most effective strategy to learn. I am sure you can come up with different and creative ways to make that happen. But yea, feedback is definitely essential to this process. And with more complicated and involved thinking, that either takes more effort on your part, or a teacher, friend, coach to bounce ideas off and get corrected.

I mean, this thread and the discussion we are having right now is a test and learning strategy for me.

As for memory cues, I honestly havent used them, but I think it really depends on how you use them. Like I said, they arent a learning tool, they are a recall tool. The book gave examples of people using memory palaces to take complicated analytical essay tests that definitely forced them to get to the heart of the problem and use higher-order thinking.

But yea, learning is basically all prior knowledge. It is just that these strategies will actually help that knowledge 'stick' and not just piss away because you left it in your working memory. I also think that prior knowledge is essential to higher order thinking, and that with more knowledge the better you will be able to understand the themes/issues/principles, and be more creative and innovative. The memory cues are what will actually help you recall all of that prior information.
 

entremet

Member
Thanks for the rec, Piecake. Getting this post haste!

Mindset is a life changing book as well. Should be required reading for all students.
 
Very nice thread. This is pretty in line with the learning strategies I try to use. My biggest problem is that I can never be bothered to do it, even when I know it works. I need to stop being so fucking lazy.
 

Red

Member
For those interested in a guided exploration of this subject: here is a free Learning How to Learn course.

Also got to relay enthusiasm on your endorsement of Thinking Fast and Slow, Piecake. A great, incisive book that dissects mental biases we may pick up on but have difficulty articulating. One of my favorites.
 

Skinpop

Member
my experience has been that I only really learn things/they only stick when I've achieved some level of insight. as a result of this thinking, my approach since probably HS(i'm 30 now) has been to go deep into whatever subject I'm studying. Even with abstract concepts I want to be able to build an internal model and visualize how parts work and fit together. whenever it clicks I just know that I comfortably can move on and feel sure about the knowledge staying in place.

I've mostly been doing math, cs and as a hobby sculpting/art which are all areas in which this approach is very applicable. I like to for example create internal visualizations of math proofs or memory patterns for code. if there is a piece missing or I don't know how to place it's usually indicative of a lack of insight/knowledge, and I'll know what to focus on next.
Practically this means reading a lot from varied sources while intermittently doing exercises. I find the best exercise by far be to create mini projects that I make sure to see through.

This whole style is a fairly fluid thing for me. The biggest drawback is that I might spend too much time on some details or subjects when a superficial understanding is enough for the course I'm taking, but on the flipside it's much more rewarding for me personally to have a deep understanding of things.

What I struggle with is something like memorizing 2000 kanjis because the effort is a lot more mechanical and repetitive. I knew around 1000 by heart several years ago and took 2 kyu of jlpt but I failed at putting in the effort to maintain that knowledge. To me learning has to be a challenge in understanding an idea, simply put it would be more interesting for me to try and solve the problem of designing an effective system to memorize the kanji than actually doing the task of memorizing them.

Lastly I think that education(here in sweden atleast) fail horribly at teaching natural sciences and math. I believe that in all those subjects a pupil shouldn't even be allowed to progress unless they can clear every single problem of a test. Part of it is that those subjects largely rely on accumulated knowledge, so if you can't figure out some problem it means you don't fully understand it and that will cause issues further down the line. the other part is that I think students would struggle less with this approach since the success of actually sticking through until a section is cleared would boost confidence long term. For that purpose these subjects should have individual "time lines" but with a common end goal.
 

Ambient80

Member
The "Mind Palace" technique (no, it didn't originate on Sherlock) is an incredible way to learn material. I wish I could use it more often. I tried it out for a week when studying for my medical boards, and didn't feel like I was getting anywhere. Now though, I can still remember precisely what I studied and where I "placed it" in my mind palace. It just seems a bit time consuming, though.
 

Piecake

Member
There's a certain implicit assumption that goes into a book like this...

That learners are entirely responsible for their own education.

Kinda true - you do need to take life with the mindset that you can always learn.

But at the same time, one of the biggest problems in education is that it presents material poorly. The very core assumption that kids should be taught in batches goes against the grain of efficient learning for the individual.

How the hell are you supposed to build meaningful connections when you're missing half the connections to get you to the next step, because the classes didn't teach them, or more likely rushed through them?

Ideally, we'd take advantage of modern tools to create a learning environment that allows for more questions, more iteration, more collaboration* and more mastery.

*similar to how we gather on GAF and talk about high falutin' shit - it's actually pretty much the testing scenario described in the OP - we use memory and recall to state our POV and let others spot incongruencies and help us auto-correct the information.

It's not that some people aren't able to thrive under the modern learning environment... but the advice gleaned from the excerpt seems to amount to... practice harder and better. Ok, but that's not a panacea for modern learning, and really amounts to saying something asinine like: Just use more willpower.

Outside of formal learning environments... the trick to been a life long learner is simply to pursue a wide range of subjects that you find interesting... and believe that everything relates and connects back into each other (because it does - it all exists in our universe after all). Eventually, that natural interest will help you build a very detailed and cohesive model of the world... which will help you better understand how you can interact with the world to achieve your ends.

I think the authors would mostly agree with your points. In summarizing (insert joke here) what I thought to be the most important insights for me and the most useful for other adults, I certainly eliminated some nuance, didnt include some points and arguments, and simplified the whole thing a bit.

As for schooling, their definitely is a strong implicit criticism of it. They state that all of these strategies are counter-intuitive. It is the job of educators to teach these strategies to students and incorporate them into their classroom and then provide them with support and tools to be able to do that on their own. So I would disagree with you that they are arguing that people just need to study better and that will solve everything. They make a explicit role for teachers and them effectively supporting this sort of study instead of the review and cram (also, they aren't advocating studying longer. they are just reporting findings that more cognitive effort means more learning is retained).

Their criticism is that teachers and professors aren't doing this. They arent giving students opportunity to test and recall what they have learned in their own words nearly enough and are certainly not revisiting and re-testing them at periodic intervals. They also criticize the nature of how tests are used because tests in school are used as a measure of achievement, not as a learning tool. That should be changed. This is the ideal place to get tons and tons of feedback and currently that is not being taken advantage of. As for curriculum content, that really is outside the scope of the book, so they didnt discuss that.

After students learn how to make what they learn 'stick' though and are taught how to develop a growth mindset, then I think the authors would argue that people are in control of their own learning. They have the tools to do so, and it is just up to them, whether or not they want to expend the effort, to actually do so. I would agree with that. Though certainly shit classes and uninteresting material definitely lessens motivation and desire to actually put forth effort to make it stick.

As for lifelong learning, I think having or developing a growth mindset is absolutely essential for it. Where testing comes in, I think, is in discussing what you learned in book clubs, with friends, or online (like in this topic). Obviously, another effective strategy is to write a review, write down what you think is the main points, the underlying themes, etc. So the nature of the tests change when you don't have school and feedback, but testing still is key if you actually want to remember what you read. They would agree with you that the more you learn about a subject the more easily it is to remember what you read, make connections, etc though.
 

bobbytkc

ADD New Gen Gamer
I have learnt of these strategies from the learning how to learn coursera course. They work, dont get me wrong, but at the same time they take a shit ton of mental energy and concentrated effort. in practice, it is impractical for the average person to employ these strategies for all facets of learning. In the end, people will still have to pick and choose the most important parts of a material to use with these strategies and make those stick, rather than go through the entire material practicing them.

Another thing they dont stress well is that employing these strategies will easily double or triple the amount of time you need to spend on a given material. Sometimes, the sheer voume of the material to have to cover makes them not quite feasible.
 

Kieli

Member
For those interested in a guided exploration of this subject: here is a free Learning How to Learn course.

Also got to relay enthusiasm on your endorsement of Thinking Fast and Slow, Piecake. A great, incisive book that dissects mental biases we may pick up on but have difficulty articulating. One of my favorites.

Unrelated to your book, but this is absolutely a great point.

As much as we like to think we're in control, we often have too high of an opinion of ourselves. Resulting in easily succumbing to many mental biases.

I watched a neat video (forgot the name) where a person explained procrastination of an activity. He stated that the reason why stating "I'll do it later, tomorrow, next week, next month" never works is because it places an unfair expectation on a future version of us. We're hoping that the future-us will be in the mood or mindset to do this task that we didn't want to do today. But people rarely change in a day. So why should future-us be any more willing to do that task that present-us?

Hence, to break this cycle of laziness, we should just do it.

Now, obviously I'm not saying this applies to everyone (and I don't think the YouTuber was, either), but it greatly helped me to cut down on slacking because I no longer got caught into this mental trap.

Edit: The YouTuber I'm referencing is Vsauce, but I can't seem to find the actual video.
 
Great post, OP. Where was this post 2 years ago. I had to learn most of this through trial and error but I got it now. Will definitely pick up those books.
 

Zaptruder

Banned
I think the authors would mostly agree with your points. In summarizing (insert joke here) what I thought to be the most important insights for me and the most useful for other adults, I certainly eliminated some nuance, didnt include some points and arguments, and simplified the whole thing a bit.

As for schooling, their definitely is a strong implicit criticism of it. They state that all of these strategies are counter-intuitive. It is the job of educators to teach these strategies to students and incorporate them into their classroom and then provide them with support and tools to be able to do that on their own. So I would disagree with you that they are arguing that people just need to study better and that will solve everything. They make a explicit role for teachers and them effectively supporting this sort of study instead of the review and cram (also, they aren't advocating studying longer. they are just reporting findings that more cognitive effort means more learning is retained).

Their criticism is that teachers and professors aren't doing this. They arent giving students opportunity to test and recall what they have learned in their own words nearly enough and are certainly not revisiting and re-testing them at periodic intervals. They also criticize the nature of how tests are used because tests in school are used as a measure of achievement, not as a learning tool. That should be changed. This is the ideal place to get tons and tons of feedback and currently that is not being taken advantage of. As for curriculum content, that really is outside the scope of the book, so they didnt discuss that.

After students learn how to make what they learn 'stick' though and are taught how to develop a growth mindset, then I think the authors would argue that people are in control of their own learning. They have the tools to do so, and it is just up to them, whether or not they want to expend the effort, to actually do so. I would agree with that. Though certainly shit classes and uninteresting material definitely lessens motivation and desire to actually put forth effort to make it stick.

As for lifelong learning, I think having or developing a growth mindset is absolutely essential for it. Where testing comes in, I think, is in discussing what you learned in book clubs, with friends, or online (like in this topic). Obviously, another effective strategy is to write a review, write down what you think is the main points, the underlying themes, etc. So the nature of the tests change when you don't have school and feedback, but testing still is key if you actually want to remember what you read. They would agree with you that the more you learn about a subject the more easily it is to remember what you read, make connections, etc though.

Essentially, if we replace the term 'testing' with the phrase 'practical application and use with the chance for correction and review', then we're in perfect agreement!

I mean, that's what the authors mean by testing in so far as I can tell - it's simply the word testing is laden with unfortunate connotations and specific practices that don't really get at the meat of the processes that make 'testing' a useful tool for learning.
 

Piecake

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Essentially, if we replace the term 'testing' with the phrase 'practical application and use with the chance for correction and review', then we're in perfect agreement!

I mean, that's what the authors mean by testing in so far as I can tell - it's simply the word testing is laden with unfortunate connotations and specific practices that don't really get at the meat of the processes that make 'testing' a useful tool for learning.

Oh yea, they are taking a very very broad definition of testing. Basically, any action that requires you to retrieve and recite information from long term memory that you can then receive feedback on is testing to them.


Does it mention creating emotional impact of some sort? i.e. a funny picture or comic accompanies the lesson

It is briely touched upon as a component to help begin the process of deeply encoding material into long-term memory (also included in that is connecting new knowledge to old, higher-order thinking, and personal connections, etc.

However, the book's focus is really about making all of that knowledge 'stick', and they argue that the evidence points to repeated testing as the best way to make it 'stick'. See above for their definition of testing.

To most of us, learning something "the hard way" implies wasted time and effort. Good teaching, we believe, should be creatively tailored to the different learning styles of students and should use strategies that make learning easier. Make It Stick turns fashionable ideas like these on their head. Drawing on recent discoveries in cognitive psychology and other disciplines, the authors offer concrete techniques for becoming more productive learners.

Memory plays a central role in our ability to carry out complex cognitive tasks, such as applying knowledge to problems never before encountered and drawing inferences from facts already known. New insights into how memory is encoded, consolidated, and later retrieved have led to a better understanding of how we learn. Grappling with the impediments that make learning challenging leads both to more complex mastery and better retention of what was learned.

Many common study habits and practice routines turn out to be counterproductive. Underlining and highlighting, rereading, cramming, and single-minded repetition of new skills create the illusion of mastery, but gains fade quickly. More complex and durable learning come from self-testing, introducing certain difficulties in practice, waiting to re-study new material until a little forgetting has set in, and interleaving the practice of one skill or topic with another. Speaking most urgently to students, teachers, trainers, and athletes, Make It Stick will appeal to all those interested in the challenge of lifelong learning and self-improvement.

That's the Good Reads description. So yea, they place a high priority on memory, prior knowledge, and how increasing prior knowledge furthers higher order thinking.
 

Wilsongt

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I find that one of the best ways to tie all of those things together is to force yourself to teach what you learned to someone else. I remember in high school, I used to always misuse semicolons, until one day a teacher got tired of my shit and made me teach its proper usage to the rest of the class; now I'll never forget it.

I actually kind of do something similar at work, now. How do you make testers improve their bug writing quality? What I do is ask them to write up a bug and then have someone completely unrelated to their project reproduce it without being able to directly communicate to the original writer. Every question from the second person leads to an opportunity to tune up the bug, and eventually the most communicative and concise style becomes second nature to the original bug writer.

I definitely agree with this. I am a hands-on learner myself. I learn by doing and by working with whatever it is I am doing. However, I feel like I learn the material better and retain it better when I am actively teaching someone about the information or presenting it.
 

Piecake

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What I struggle with is something like memorizing 2000 kanjis because the effort is a lot more mechanical and repetitive. I knew around 1000 by heart several years ago and took 2 kyu of jlpt but I failed at putting in the effort to maintain that knowledge. To me learning has to be a challenge in understanding an idea, simply put it would be more interesting for me to try and solve the problem of designing an effective system to memorize the kanji than actually doing the task of memorizing them.

Have you tried using a program like Anki? If not, I think it would greatly help you out because it is a spaced-repetition testing program that uses flashcards. The vocab that you know well you will review less, but the vocab you struggle with you will review more. It is basically the principles above in action.

I just started using it for Chinese characters and I have found it quite effective so far.

One thing that should cheer your heart is that if you stuck those 2k characters into long-term memory those will always be there. If you can only recall like 1k now, that just means that retrieval is an issue, and that is easier to get back then learning all of those characters all over again.
 

jepense

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I think the authors would mostly agree with your points. In summarizing (insert joke here) what I thought to be the most important insights for me and the most useful for other adults, I certainly eliminated some nuance, didnt include some points and arguments, and simplified the whole thing a bit.

As for schooling, their definitely is a strong implicit criticism of it. They state that all of these strategies are counter-intuitive. It is the job of educators to teach these strategies to students and incorporate them into their classroom and then provide them with support and tools to be able to do that on their own. So I would disagree with you that they are arguing that people just need to study better and that will solve everything. They make a explicit role for teachers and them effectively supporting this sort of study instead of the review and cram (also, they aren't advocating studying longer. they are just reporting findings that more cognitive effort means more learning is retained).

Their criticism is that teachers and professors aren't doing this. They arent giving students opportunity to test and recall what they have learned in their own words nearly enough and are certainly not revisiting and re-testing them at periodic intervals. They also criticize the nature of how tests are used because tests in school are used as a measure of achievement, not as a learning tool. That should be changed. This is the ideal place to get tons and tons of feedback and currently that is not being taken advantage of. As for curriculum content, that really is outside the scope of the book, so they didnt discuss that.

After students learn how to make what they learn 'stick' though and are taught how to develop a growth mindset, then I think the authors would argue that people are in control of their own learning. They have the tools to do so, and it is just up to them, whether or not they want to expend the effort, to actually do so. I would agree with that. Though certainly shit classes and uninteresting material definitely lessens motivation and desire to actually put forth effort to make it stick.

As for lifelong learning, I think having or developing a growth mindset is absolutely essential for it. Where testing comes in, I think, is in discussing what you learned in book clubs, with friends, or online (like in this topic). Obviously, another effective strategy is to write a review, write down what you think is the main points, the underlying themes, etc. So the nature of the tests change when you don't have school and feedback, but testing still is key if you actually want to remember what you read. They would agree with you that the more you learn about a subject the more easily it is to remember what you read, make connections, etc though.

The common school environment actively teaches shallow learning strategies. This is largely due to the way assessment is done, because exams, which is by far the most common method of assessment, require the students to recite a lot of information at once but don't typically require meaningful application of the information. Students also quickly learn what is expected of them in class and adjust (or don't) to this.

Definitely teachers and schools should teach and promote good learning practices and the evaluation should also support them. Merely telling students how they should study is pointless if they are evaluated using metrics that reward cramming.

Exams and lectures are used so much because they are controlled and easy for the the teacher. It's easy to teach and evaluate like everyone does instead of trying to develop or implement better practices, not to mention there is often a lot of resistance to change from students and colleagues.

I teach first year courses at university level, and I'm in the process of implementing a practice where almost all contact teaching is focused on individual and group activities, i.e., testing as meant by the OP. This is my plan for the upcoming semester: The raw information is given to the students in reading assignments, and I revisit it in class in the context of the assignments after the students have had their go. I vary the types of assignments I give to the students and I revisit previous topics as the course progresses (as I'm not restricted by a lecture schedule). Some assignments are graded based on being correct, some according to the level of argumentation so that both effort and mastery are rewarded. It's possible to get the top grade by performing well during class and doing a project. It's also possible to take an exam, but class performance is heavily rewarded also in this route. Let's see how it goes!
 

Red

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Unrelated to your book, but this is absolutely a great point.

As much as we like to think we're in control, we often have too high of an opinion of ourselves. Resulting in easily succumbing to many mental biases.

I watched a neat video (forgot the name) where a person explained procrastination of an activity. He stated that the reason why stating "I'll do it later, tomorrow, next week, next month" never works is because it places an unfair expectation on a future version of us. We're hoping that the future-us will be in the mood or mindset to do this task that we didn't want to do today. But people rarely change in a day. So why should future-us be any more willing to do that task that present-us?

Hence, to break this cycle of laziness, we should just do it.

Now, obviously I'm not saying this applies to everyone (and I don't think the YouTuber was, either), but it greatly helped me to cut down on slacking because I no longer got caught into this mental trap.

Edit: The YouTuber I'm referencing is Vsauce, but I can't seem to find the actual video.
Yeah, I agree. The two biggest mental traps we fall into are believing A.) we are in control of ourselves, and B.) we are good people. Everyone believes these things, and everyone succumbs to the neuroses and contradictions that rise out of them.
 

Piecake

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I appreciate this thread. I am due to start the second year of my medical school soon so I'm sure these strategies will come useful. Although I scored 80% for my medical sciences exams in the 1st year, I feel like I have forgotten most of it. Heh. I've used the tried and tested method of 'brute force learning' throughout my entire year...

I'll give this a proper read tomorrow morning and hopefully implement better strategies to learn.

I just finished the last chapter (The last chapter was review, so I wrote this up before that and used the last chapter as feedback) and they actually talk about an example where a medical student with no pre-med background did horribly the first year, looked for better ways to actually to learn since he spend so much time reviewing but it just didnt work, and finally adopted self-testing as a study strategy and is now among the top performers.

So yea, I would definitely recommend reading the book since my brief (insert joke here) summary of what I thought was the most important will likely not be as nearly as meaningful as reading the whole thing.

The common school environment actively teaches shallow learning strategies. This is largely due to the way assessment is done, because exams, which is by far the most common method of assessment, require the students to recite a lot of information at once but don't typically require meaningful application of the information. Students also quickly learn what is expected of them in class and adjust (or don't) to this.

Definitely teachers and schools should teach and promote good learning practices and the evaluation should also support them. Merely telling students how they should study is pointless if they are evaluated using metrics that reward cramming.

Exams and lectures are used so much because they are controlled and easy for the the teacher. It's easy to teach and evaluate like everyone does instead of trying to develop or implement better practices, not to mention there is often a lot of resistance to change from students and colleagues.

I teach first year courses at university level, and I'm in the process of implementing a practice where almost all contact teaching is focused on individual and group activities, i.e., testing as meant by the OP. This is my plan for the upcoming semester: The raw information is given to the students in reading assignments, and I revisit it in class in the context of the assignments after the students have had their go. I vary the types of assignments I give to the students and I revisit previous topics as the course progresses (as I'm not restricted by a lecture schedule). Some assignments are graded based on being correct, some according to the level of argumentation so that both effort and mastery are rewarded. It's possible to get the top grade by performing well during class and doing a project. It's also possible to take an exam, but class performance is heavily rewarded also in this route. Let's see how it goes!

Nice! Good luck! The book also recommends that explaining effective study techniques to students, then modeling that in class, and explaining the research behind growth mindset and neural-plasticity helps a lot too.
 

Mexen

Member
Great thread! There are definitely techniques outlined that I already use but I appreciate what the book has to offer. I'll buy this book.
 

Piecake

Member
Does this help at all with trying to attain a photographic memory?

A photographic memory is really a myth. The closest thing that you can do to achieve something like a photographic memory though is to start creating memory palaces. I outlined the general gist of what that is in the OP, but if you are interested in actually doing that you might have to go to other resources (books, web) other than this book. The book does tell you what it is, tells you how to do it, and tells you why it is effective, but doesnt spend a great deal of time on it.
 

schick85

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If you want to know the biology behind learning-- the actual organic process that goes in our heads when we are actively trying to get better at something-- I strongly advise you read "The Talent Code". Trust me, you'll be fascinated by it. You'll learn about Myelin, how good mentors are able to harness them in us and all that cool jazz. It ought to be your next book.

EDIT: Excellent thread BTW!
 

hohoXD123

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Subbed, thanks for the thread OP, this should be useful for next year.

For those interested in a guided exploration of this subject: here is a free Learning How to Learn course.

Also got to relay enthusiasm on your endorsement of Thinking Fast and Slow, Piecake. A great, incisive book that dissects mental biases we may pick up on but have difficulty articulating. One of my favorites.

Yeah, I've been slowly going through that course, looks useful.
 

KimiNewt

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Read most of the thread, and it is unclear to me how well these methods work on more technical studies (i.e. Maths, engineering or sciences related studies. As opposed to history or psychology or whatnot). Most of it seems relevant, but it does not seem exact. What needs to be modified?

Also, I recently started studying maths in uni after not having done so since highschool (a little over five years ago). I found that while I did remember the basics (derivatives, integrals, etc) I could not explain what I did and could not do very difficult problems.
I then viewed online a series of lectures which proports to be "understanding based" (even going back to the most basic math) attempting to get students to understand rather than memorise, etc. (though formulas cheatsheets and calculators are still not allowed). It, along with fitting problems, mostly mixed from different topics, did wonders. I now understand the material better than I ever have, and can much more quickly assimilate new knowledge. I often forget formulas and the like but I now have the ability to recreate most of them.
Not sure if that's really related, but this turned maths from something I had neutral to negative feelings about to actually actively enjoying it, as each problem is like a new riddle and I get a real pleasure from actually understanding these things rather than knowing formulas and solution methods by rote.
 

Red

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Read most of the thread, and it is unclear to me how well these methods work on more technical studies (i.e. Maths, engineering or sciences related studies. As opposed to history or psychology or whatnot). Most of it seems relevant, but it does not seem exact. What needs to be modified?

Also, I recently started studying maths in uni after not having done so since highschool (a little over five years ago). I found that while I did remember the basics (derivatives, integrals, etc) I could not explain what I did and could not do very difficult problems.
I then viewed online a series of lectures which proports to be "understanding based" (even going back to the most basic math) attempting to get students to understand rather than memorise, etc. (though formulas cheatsheets and calculators are still not allowed). It, along with fitting problems, mostly mixed from different topics, did wonders. I now understand the material better than I ever have, and can much more quickly assimilate new knowledge. I often forget formulas and the like but I now have the ability to recreate most of them.
Not sure if that's really related, but this turned maths from something I had neutral to negative feelings about to actually actively enjoying it, as each problem is like a new riddle and I get a real pleasure from actually understanding these things rather than knowing formulas and solution methods by rote.
Can you share a link to those lectures? Khan Academy?
 

Two Words

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I think I learn the best in math and computer science by practicing with the acceptance that I will get stuff wrong. I moved away from the mindset of "get it done" and it has helped.
 

Red

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They're lectures my uni put out, and you have to actually be a student to watch most of them, unfortunately. There are a few available online, but they're in Hebrew.
That's too bad. There is an invitation to mathematics course available through the Hebrew University of Jerusalem on coursera, I wonder if it's similar.
 
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