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[Krev]

Nintendo need Wii U to hit hard with the core gamer demographic in the launch window period. They're going to have to turn around perception among the major publishers very quickly if they want the platform to have momentum with this demographic, which is necessary to secure major ports of the major multiplatform games of the coming generation.
If they can never get the publishers to stop betting against Nintendo, they'll never see a change in this area.

 

[Aostia]

Nintendo need Wii U to hit hard with the core gamer demographic in the launch window period. They're going to have to turn around perception among the major publishers very quickly if they want the platform to have momentum with this demographic, which is necessary to secure major ports of the major multiplatform games of the coming generation.
If they can never get the publishers to stop betting against Nintendo, they'll never see a change in this area.

I agree
especially because I don't think that the Upad could hit the casual market as hard as the remote did. So, at launch, with a higher price and a casual disinterest, I think that they must create the environment to assure the arrival of third party games.
Those, together with Nintendo hits (that could be aimed to a broader demographic) could at least assure decent sales results (not as high as the wii).
The main question is: how can Nintendo create that environment?
To me, trying to obtain the multiplatform versions of third parties AAA titles, alongside their esclusives (AA titles? à la Killer Freaks).
But to attract that kind of various projects they also need to create new IPs (or reboots) targeted at the same demographic of the vast majority of third parties titles they want to attract.

All this analysis could be indipendent from the "horsepower" and "engines" topic, also if of course having the chance to use the same assets of other consoles could facilitate the process.

 

[ColdBlooder]

Oh boy.

Wii U WILL be more powerful than Xbox 360 and PS3 by a good margin. Lets recap the last 12 month, shall we?

The first dev kits were supposed to be made off "of-the-shelf" parts. The even underclocked it due to heat issues. This kit (from what it sounds like, was unoptimized as hell. Just parts stichted together to work somehow. This dev kit already did one 720p image wich may could have run with heavy optimization on xbox 360/ps3 BUT it also already rendered the a different scene in 480p on the Pad! (Bird demo) So this kit was already more powerful than current gen!

V2 dev kits may not have existed outside Nintendos R&D. We have no info on a V2 dev kit.

V3 Propably was like V1 but without heating issues and propably more clock speed due to not having to underclock anymore. It isn´t too far strechted to assume it was way more optimized then the first dev kits. Wich means quite a bit MOAR POWER

The V4 dev kit arrived and they were reported to have gotten a unexpected and significant power upgrade. Maybe due to the fact that these kits were the first with WiiU specific silicon in it.

The V5 kits wich supposed to have finally arrived have propably just been tweaked and optimized. If it is true what ideaman said, at least Not much known about it. Maybe a smaller power upgrade due to the tweaking

But even going from V1 to V4...

Do you guys REALLY believe its just an Xbox360+?? Or a Xbox 360 and a Wii and a GC ducttaped together?

PS4 and Durango will be more powerful than WiiU but the WiiU won´t be as weak as alot of people believe.

 

[z0m3le]

I agree
especially because I don't think that the Upad could hit the casual market as hard as the remote did. So, at launch, with a higher price and a casual disinterest, I think that they must create the environment to assure the arrival of third party games.
Those, together with Nintendo hits (that could be aimed to a broader demographic) could at least assure decent sales results (not as high as the wii).
The main question is: how can Nintendo create that environment?
To me, trying to obtain the multiplatform versions of third parties AAA titles, alongside their esclusives (AA titles? à la Killer Freaks).
But to attract that kind of various projects they also need to create new IPs (or reboots) targeted at the same demographic of the vast majority of third parties titles they want to attract.

All this analysis could be indipendent from the "horsepower" and "engines" topic, also if of course having the chance to use the same assets of other consoles could facilitate the process.

Yeah, and they have a good chance at doing all of this, all they really need to do is make sure they get key titles like GTAV, if it sells well on Wii U, it will be a good indicator that the customers on Wii U are interested in those types of games. Launching ahead of the other companies will matter more in a couple years when Wii U's install base is twice what the others are and with comparable hardware (maybe not horse power, but in respect to the actual features) Wii U should have all multiplatform games coming to it, unless it couldn't secure titles like AC3, Aliens and GTAV with any meaningful sales from US.

 

[EVIL]

Software and pricing will be the deal maker or breakers. No Matter how powerful the Wii U is, a bad launch title lineup and a steep price point can kill a system (Vita)

The only way I can see the Wii U be successful if they differentiate themselves from the 360 and ps3, and try to compete with the next gen platforms.

I mean if the Wii U is going to be on par with 360 and ps3, then I don't see anybody jumping on that system if it doesn't directly compete with the price-point of those 2 consoles.

so I either see
a powerful Wii U who will be Trojan Horsing themselves in the next gen space
or a super cheap console that is trying to serve as an alternative to the 360 and ps3

they really need to do something different and unique besides the tablet and take a large piece of the console market pie

 

[iKhayal18]

Software and pricing will be the deal maker or breakers. No Matter how powerful the Wii U is, a bad launch title lineup and a steep price point can kill a system (Vita)

The only way I can see the Wii U be successful if they differentiate themselves from the 360 and ps3, and try to compete with the next gen platforms.

I mean if the Wii U is going to be on par with 360 and ps3, then I don't see anybody jumping on that system if it doesn't directly compete with the price-point of those 2 consoles.

so I either see
a powerful Wii U who will be Trojan Horsing themselves in the next gen space
or a super cheap console that is trying to serve as an alternative to the 360 and ps3

they really need to do something different and unique besides the tablet and take a large piece of the console market pie

Judging on what we have heard from Nintendo, I think that probably WiiU would be more an alternative to the 360 and ps3, just like the Wii was. Nintendo has been following their own route since Wii/DS, graphics do not matter for them, they are focusing on "creating new experience", so I think that unfortunately we can't look forward to see a "trojan horse" system when they launch WiiU...

I still believe that if they take advantage of the graphics, whether it is not a trojan horse, I'll be satisfied with visuals like we saw with the Zelda Tech Demo or the bird one.

The problem is, would third parties work harder to take advantage of the graphics or... when they see that they have to expend a lot of time to make great games for WiiU because it doesn't provide enough power and it is not easy to do cheapy ports they will leave it apart? Nintendo has to think about that.

 

[ozfunghi]

Well the 'IdeaMan-cult' has been growing these last threads. What bothers me is that he has been posting basically the same recycled and vague 'info' that can't be disproven no matter what happens at E3. He has taken on the role of some kind of authority figure and wants us to jump through hoops for his precious tidbits. It seems like he wants us to twist and turn everything he says, like we would with for example a statement from Iwata, for his own high amusement. As I've said before, and even if he does have some solid info, there's a thin line between sparking a discussion and attention seeking.

And again, i agree, and again, i raised these very concerns 2 threads ago. I just don't understand how some people seem to have just woken up to his modus operandi. At this point in time, i feel it's up to a mod to preserve the peace if what is happening isn't acceptable. Ideaman has said his piece, those who dislike his style have said theirs. No use going in circles and make him or his comments more important than the thread.

 

[Sadist]

Man, watching the 2006 E3 presentation (tomorrow it will be exactly six years ago) and Nintendo only talks like seven minutes(!) about the DS. They casually announce a few new titles like Yoshi's Island 2, Star Fox DS and Diddy Kong Racing.

I also like the inclusion of Disaster Day of Crisis

 

[beje]

Judging on what we have heard from Nintendo, I think that probably WiiU would be more an alternative to the 360 and ps3, just like the Wii was. Nintendo has been following their own route since Wii/DS, graphics do not matter for them, they are focusing on "creating new experience", so I think that unfortunately we can't look forward to see a "trojan horse" system when they launch WiiU...

I still believe that if they take advantage of the graphics, whether it is not a trojan horse, I'll be satisfied with visuals like we saw with the Zelda Tech Demo or the bird one.

The problem is, would third parties work harder to take advantage of the graphics or... when they see that they have to expend a lot of time to make great games for WiiU because it doesn't provide enough power and it is not easy to do cheapy ports they will leave it apart? Nintendo has to think about that.

If they're intelligent enough, they'll use the same "trojan horse" strategy that actually worked on the 3DS post-bomba: undercut or at the very least match previous gen hardware in pricing to eat their market share, I don't know if it's still the case but for a long time it's been cheaper getting a 3DS than a PSP (at least in Europe, and without taking into account the wifi-less E1000 which is dirt cheap) so if they play their cards right about becoming the flagship of the next generation consoles, they will have a good chance at either making the HD twins look extremely overpriced (especially 360 Kinect packs) or they will force them to price drop to "soon-to-stop-being-supported hardware" price tags, in both cases really beneficial to get a good step ahead.

 

[z0m3le]

Judging on what we have heard from Nintendo, I think that probably WiiU would be more an alternative to the 360 and ps3, just like the Wii was. Nintendo has been following their own route since Wii/DS, graphics do not matter for them, they are focusing on "creating new experience", so I think that unfortunately we can't look forward to see a "trojan horse" system when they launch WiiU...

I still believe that if they take advantage of the graphics, whether it is not a trojan horse, I'll be satisfied with visuals like we saw with the Zelda Tech Demo or the bird one.

The problem is, would third parties work harder to take advantage of the graphics or... when they see that they have to expend a lot of time to make great games for WiiU because it doesn't provide enough power and it is not easy to do cheapy ports they will leave it apart? Nintendo has to think about that.

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/120427qa/03.html

Question 7 is really directly addressing the issue you just brought up, Iwata's response is right after, but here is the main point:

"Wii was able to reach a large number of new consumers who had never played games before by bringing hands-on experiences with its “Wii Sports” and “Wii Fit.” However, we could not adequately create the situation that such new consumers played games frequently or for long, consistent periods. As a result, we could not sustain a good level of profit. Moreover, regrettably, what we prioritized in order to reach out to the new audience was a bit too far from what we prioritized for those who play games as their hobby. Consequently, we presume some people felt that the Wii was not a game system for them or they were not willing to play with the Wii even though some compelling games had been released.

Once consumers have a notion that “this system is not for us,” we have learned that it is extremely difficult to change their perceptions later. Therefore, in promoting the Nintendo 3DS and the Wii U, we have announced that we would like “width” and “depth” to coexist. With the Nintendo DS and the Wii, the approach of “width” was well accepted by many people; however, what we did in terms of “depth” was not satisfactory for some consumers. This time, we would like consumers to be satisfied in both aspects. In order to do so, we started to work on the “depth” aspect first, and the current and existing software you can see for the Nintendo 3DS is based on that idea. In the future, the approach will evolve. By exploring the development both from width and depth standpoints, it is our intention to satisfy a wider audience with one gaming platform. Our approach for the Wii U is basically the same."

Iwata's a smart man, he isn't blind to what Nintendo needs to fix, the hardware is going to be there this time, and I am sure he is working to get those third party games we want to play on his system so we don't have to buy Xbox3s and PS4s.

 

[EloquentM]

You know what I despise, people talking about other people behind their back.
People have an issue with Ideaman's posts, then tell it to him personally via PM or when he is online. Why am I reading about the personality of a poster vs speculations about the game console and the companies behind it? As long as Ideaman is telling me something new about the console or games for it, I don't care how he does it. In the end, no matter what anybody tells us, even so called "insiders", its all meaningless until Nintendo officially announces it. So the whole thread by definition is one big tease. And we are all masochists for coming back to it.

I completely agree with this. I didn't expect many of the regulars in this thread to be so rude, but here they are chasing idea man around with fire and pitchforks like some proverbial monster. I just read nearly 10 pages from earlier today and half of those pages were spent shitting on a poster because of his style of giving information? The sad part is most of you claimed to not even question his legitimacy anymore. If you don't like the way he posts then that's fine, but the responses to his method were just clearly distasteful.

 

[beje]

I don't see how they could underprice 360/PS3 without losing a ton of money.

Some 360 packs (HDD + Kinect) are 400 bucks, I'm completely sure Nintendo can manage to retail for lower than that so for some people (late adopters that aren't really into system wars and just want something to play with, plain and simple) it would be almost a no brainer: old console at 250 to 400 bucks or new one that will be supported for longer for 300 to 350? It's obvious that Microsoft is already really scared, looking at the $99 + 2 years subscription model. Prices for the HD twins are still in the mid-generation area and not in the late-generation one (that would be around 100-200 bucks) because they didn't think Nintendo could destroy their plans in the long run.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Judging on what we have heard from Nintendo, I think that probably WiiU would be more an alternative to the 360 and ps3, just like the Wii was. Nintendo has been following their own route since Wii/DS, graphics do not matter for them, they are focusing on "creating new experience", so I think that unfortunately we can't look forward to see a "trojan horse" system when they launch WiiU...

I still believe that if they take advantage of the graphics, whether it is not a trojan horse, I'll be satisfied with visuals like we saw with the Zelda Tech Demo or the bird one.

The problem is, would third parties work harder to take advantage of the graphics or... when they see that they have to expend a lot of time to make great games for WiiU because it doesn't provide enough power and it is not easy to do cheapy ports they will leave it apart? Nintendo has to think about that.

Maybe Im just lame but how does that bird demo not satisfy people? I mean just watch it again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF4rInTqOLI&sns=em

I dont know if Ive seen a game this gen pull off the steam on top water at all like that. The demo is so fluid and beautiful you just want miyamoto to make a bird game or some shit..

 

[Portugeezer]

"on par with 360/PS3" is not realistic expectations.

Wii was about on par with the original Xbox though.

However this generation has also gone on longer than expected so on par with 7 year old 360 would be a joke. I think the "2x 360" rumours may be correct, whatever that means it good enough for me, and I have a gaming rig.

Can't say this looks bad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2Nsa06KRLo and if it was a quickly put together tech demo then we should expect a bit better, this demo is quite interactive too.

 

[beje]

Wii was about on par with the original Xbox though.

However this generation has also gone on longer than expected so on par with 7 year old 360 would be a joke. I think the "2x 360" rumours may be correct, whatever that means it good enough for me, and I have a gaming rig.

Can't say this looks bad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2Nsa06KRLo and if it was a quickly put together tech demo then we should expect a bit better, this demo is quite interactive too.

Yup, it's not like we're talking about bullshit-tech demos that are actually plain CGI Sony-style. Nintendo managed to show something real and tangible that goes some stages over the current consoles with just preliminary dev kits that, if IdeaMan is to be trusted, are already even more powerful.

 

[Peru]

Maybe Im just lame but how does that bird demo not satisfy people?

Bird demo is fairly sterile, like a screensaver. Not the kind of concept that excites people, I think, although yes, I'd be happy with graphics of that level.

 

[z0m3le]

.

Glad we mostly agree that the bird demo is fine as far as graphics, just remember that that was early dev kits, so we can expect that to improve by some level.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Bird demo is fairly sterile, like a screensaver. Not the kind of concept that excites people, I think, although yes, I'd be happy with graphics of that level.

I am talking about in terms of graphics..not the concept lol..

 

[BurntPork]

What is your source though? Last we had a discussion like this (which was way back in the first thread) you said it was someone on the IGN forums. Unlike harker, lherre, and Arkam, I don't recall you being involved in the industry.

The simple solution would be to privately ask one of them to look at the target specs for Wii U and PS4 he allegedly received. Keep everything private, and no NDAs have to be broken.

 

[Portugeezer]

Yup, it's not like we're talking about bullshit-tech demos that are actually plain CGI Sony-style. Nintendo managed to show something real and tangible that goes some stages over the current consoles with just preliminary dev that, if IdeaMan is to be trusted, are already even more powerful.

Pretty much. You're not just looking at a video of pretty graphics, you have data streaming to the controller screen, different camera angles, you can look around the environment. Of course, little player interaction but Nintendo said these demos were put together rather quickly so it leaves hope, UE4 or not.

If IdeaMan is to be trusted I would say it's a little more powerful is some way.

 

[Plinko]

For all the people complaining about IdeaMan:

Put him on your ignore list. Problem solved. That way, you don't have to read his posts and the rest of us don't have to read your numerous posts about how you don't like what he's doing. That's why the ignore list is there.

 

[japtor]

Is this a boondocks reference?

Or Donald Rumsfeld, which is where the Boondocks got it.

TL;DR: Quite literally Wii U, PS4 and Xbox3's difference will be in horse power, but they will all be modern boxes.

Pretty much what I said in DBZ form, I figure they're all over 9000.

Wii was about on par with the original Xbox though.

However this generation has also gone on longer than expected so on par with 7 year old 360 would be a joke. I think the "2x 360" rumours may be correct, whatever that means it good enough for me, and I have a gaming rig.

Can't say this looks bad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2Nsa06KRLo and if it was a quickly put together tech demo then we should expect a bit better, this demo is quite interactive too.

Yeah that's a longer version of the bird demo that shows more stuff going on, I think they only showed it up to the fish in the presentation before the rain comes in.

 

[Hoo-doo]

For all the people complaining about IdeaMan:

Put him on your ignore list. Problem solved. That way, you don't have to read his posts and the rest of us don't have to read your numerous posts about how you don't like what he's doing. That's why the ignore list is there.

Except that whenever Ideaman posts, the entire thread goes nuts in excitement for even the tiniest scraps of information and the obligatory tease comment.

This is by no means a solution.

 

[Spieler Eins]

Man, watching the 2006 E3 presentation (tomorrow it will be exactly six years ago) and Nintendo only talks like seven minutes(!) about the DS. They casually announce a few new titles like Yoshi's Island 2, Star Fox DS and Diddy Kong Racing.

I also like the inclusion of Disaster Day of Crisis

Feels like yesterday It was amazing, I hope the 3DS showtime will be equally short this year. And Reggie needs to be angrier again.

 

[z0m3le]

Yeah that's a longer version of the bird demo that shows more stuff going on, I think they only showed it up to the fish in the presentation before the rain comes in.

yep, but the version they ended up showing off in the presentation didn't have the save graphical features as the floor version, so it wasn't nearly as impressive, probably the biggest blunder they made last E3, next to the Wii U feature video that only talked about the controller.

Except that whenever Ideaman posts, the entire thread goes nuts in excitement for even the tiniest scraps of information and the obligatory tease comment.

This is by no means a solution.

neither is talking about it endlessly.

 

[EatChildren]

The simple solution would be to privately ask one of them to look at the target specs for Wii U and PS4 he allegedly received. Keep everything private, and no NDAs have to be broken.

I've seen target specs for the PS4, and what I've seen notably exceeds everything I've heard about the Wii U.

bg doesn't have to give me any info, I'm just curious. I remember when he was saying stuff way back when, and in the end it turned out his 'source' was a guy on the IGN forums. Though he may have corroborated information with known sources here (eg: lherre), I still don't buy it, just as I didn't back then.

 

[UncleSporky]

Except that whenever Ideaman posts, the entire thread goes nuts in excitement for even the tiniest scraps of information and the obligatory tease comment.

This is by no means a solution.

Yeah, ignore lists only work if everyone else ignores that person too.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

yep, but the version they ended up showing off in the presentation didn't have the save graphical features as the floor version, so it wasn't nearly as impressive, probably the biggest blunder they made last E3, next to the Wii U feature video that only talked about the controller.



neither is talking about it endlessly.

What graphical features are you talking about? kinda curious.

 

[beje]

I've seen target specs for the PS4, and what I've seen notably exceeds everything I've heard about the Wii U.

So, we can say they're going to exceed their FIVE HUNDRED AND FIFTY NINE U S DOLLARS fiasco, meaning they didn't learn dog shit with both PS3 and Vita?

 

[BurntPork]

I've seen target specs for the PS4, and what I've seen notably exceeds everything I've heard about the Wii U.

bg doesn't have to give me any info, I'm just curious. I remember when he was saying stuff way back when, and in the end it turned out his 'source' was a guy on the IGN forums. Though he may have corroborated information with known sources here (eg: lherre), I still don't buy it, just as I didn't back then.

BG has been clearly saying that PS4 will significantly outperforms Wii U; just not the same as Wii --> PS3. That doesn't really disagree with anything we've heard.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

everything looks great on paper

I want to see how things stack up 3 years from now

 

[z0m3le]

What graphical features are you talking about? kinda curious.

http://www.nintengen.com/2011/06/wii-u-garden-demo-had-better-graphics.html Plenty of direct comparison shots there.

 

[blu]

The simple solution would be to privately ask one of them to look at the target specs for Wii U and PS4 he allegedly received. Keep everything private, and no NDAs have to be broken.

What would that give us exactly, though? If you expect some kind of a multiplier, no respectable developer would give you one (just because those things are largely meaningless when taken by part/out of context). Unless said devs spilled the full beans, the only kind of statement we could get would be 'Yes, 720/ps4 is clearly more powerful', which has been non-news for the past one year.

 

[japtor]

How's Develop? http://www.develop-online.net/news/39951/Unreal-Engine-4-demo-at-GDC

Epic recently revealed to Develop that it would support mobile games studios much sooner with Unreal Engine 4 than it had with the engine’s predecessor.

Old (from February) but if Develop isn't BSing or misinterpreting then that'd be a sign of scalability for anyone that didn't think UE4 would be able to scale down. Doesn't change that most stuff would be up to publishers still.

So, we can say they're going to exceed their FIVE HUNDRED AND FIFTY NINE U S DOLLARS fiasco, meaning they didn't learn dog shit with both PS3 and Vita?

They could make it $199!*

*with two year contract

 

[Portugeezer]

So, we can say they're going to exceed their FIVE HUNDRED AND FIFTY NINE U S DOLLARS fiasco, meaning they didn't learn dog shit with both PS3 and Vita?

I don't think target specs get priority over price anymore, I would be surprised if Sony drop the ball next gen with their pricing.

 

[DeaconKnowledge]

The biggest issue I have with Ideaman's posts and people's fawning over him is that it reeks of Stockholm syndrome. We all want info desperately. Ideaman has it, but withholds it so as to tease and string us along. All the while seemingly enjoying watching us squirm and relishing his teases. While I obviously want the information too, it doesn't sit right with me and leaves a nasty taste in my mouth.

..so you'd rather talk about nothing for 30 pages like before. Seems like you're mad that he knows shit and you don't.

Idea man makes this thread worth checking.

 

[Hoo-doo]

So, we can say they're going to exceed their FIVE HUNDRED AND FIFTY NINE U S DOLLARS fiasco, meaning they didn't learn dog shit with both PS3 and Vita?

No. Seeing as there isn't a crazy experimental CELL processor jacking up the price, and Blu-Ray drives are also cheap.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

http://www.nintengen.com/2011/06/wii-u-garden-demo-had-better-graphics.html Plenty of direct comparison shots there.

I remeber those comparison shots now, was there ever any explanation for that or something?

 

[Peru]

Yeah come back IdeaMan.

 

[boiled goose]

UPAD

I actually don't mind either John Harker's or Ideaman's styles of revealing potential insider info.
Both lead to the same result. Some speculation, some uncertainty, some mystery, some hype.

I simply appreciate it anytime someone drops knowledge bombs on GAF. If they want to engage the board and have some fun with the speculations I don't really care.

People complaining about the insiders should seriously relax. If you don't like speculation why come to a speculation thread? Without the insider hints we would pretty much have nothing except old interviews and the occasional dev comments.

UPAD

 

[AceBandage]

Oh, so we're going to start doubting BG as well, now?


How about this guy:

SPEAKING OF WHICH THIS IS INFORMED SPECULATION BASED ON WHAT I HAVE HEARD DEVELOPERS TALKING ABOUT LATELY

DO NOT TAKE THIS AS FACT AND DO NOT START CHICKEN LITTLEING BECAUSE OF THIS POST. EVEN IF EVERYTHING I HAVE HEARD IS 100% ACCURATE, THERE COULD BE REASONS IT WILL NOT HOLD TRUE FOREVER.

I'll say that you should not expect the moon with the Wii U.

Everything I have been told is "best of the current generation by a country mile but not significantly beyond that."

It is the XBox to the PS2. The Gamegear to the Gameboy. The Mad Men Alison Brie to Community's Alison Brie. It'll look better, but generational transition probably won't apply to it.

On the plus side, there will probably be nothing hardware-wise stopping downgraded ports from what people think the new XBox will offer. We're talking, like, Witcher 2 on high settings vs. Witcher 2 on low settings. Same game, same basic idea, different graphics.

But games that do take advantage of the Wii U's hardware are going to blow this current gen out of the water. I am not sure we'll see that at E3 (seriously, think back to nearly every console's launch, most of those titles don't stand up today), but I'm sure we'll see it eventually.

So. We have multiple sources that we know have information, including someone who is "too reasonable for this forum" saying that he Wii U is indeed quite a bit more powerful. Not a generational leap, but it never was.

I just... I dunno.
You guys, every few weeks you seem to want to slip back into your dooming and glooming. Completely ignore every thing we've heard.

It's a bit annoying.

 

[EatChildren]

BG has been clearly saying that PS4 will significantly outperforms Wii U; just not the same as Wii --> PS3. That doesn't really disagree with anything we've heard.

Yes, and I'm not sure how the whole comparison thing is going to shape up. The whole "HOW MANY 360s" and "DOES IT COMPARE TO THE WII SITUATION" thing was stupid from the get go and still is, trying to simplify are complicated situation.

So, we can say they're going to exceed their FIVE HUNDRED AND FIFTY NINE U S DOLLARS fiasco, meaning they didn't learn dog shit with both PS3 and Vita?

No idea. All I know is the PS4's target specs were pretty impressive. They also match reports (that came much later) that the PS4 was targeting PC-like architecture.

Oh, so we're going to start doubting BG as well, now?

I don't doubt bg. I doubt bg's 'source', because I've seen no evidence to suggest his source is to be trusted.

 

[Antioch]

Is it just me or has this thread taken the final plunge into insanity?

 

[Krev]

Wii U Speculation Thread VI: Lord of the Flies

 

[beje]

Blergh, I guess it's time for me abandon this thread at least for a couple of weeks or so until actual games or info about the DRC leak. We're still running in circles and if I want graphical power I'll most likely have a PC that will outclass both the 720 and PS4 by the time they're released anyway, and for a fraction of their price probably.

 

[Neoriceisgood]

How are the DBZ powerlevels on this thing looking?

 

[Kacho]

Is it just me or has this thread taken the final plunge into insanity?

We're exactly 4 weeks away at this point. We can only go deeper.

 

[wsippel]

I've seen target specs for the PS4, and what I've seen notably exceeds everything I've heard about the Wii U.

The problem is that this and stating the Wii U won't be just a little bit more powerful than PS360 are not a contradiction.

I believe the only performance metric we've ever seen was the short statement by Audiokinetic I dug up a while ago, but that was incredibly specific (takes neither the GPU nor memory bandwidth into account) and a bit vague. Still, it certainly seemed to hint at a more powerful CPU if anything, and also serves as a very good explanations for the issues many insiders, including Arkam, mentioned. As I already wrote, being a "developer" doesn't necessarily mean "engine developer" and doesn't necessarily require a deep technical understanding. If a development house working on a cross platform game runs into performance problems on a specific system, the obvious conclusion is usually "the hardware sucks", not "the tools aren't properly optimized yet". That's even worse in Audiokinetic's case, as developers don't even get the source code as far as I know - even if they had the technical expertise, they can't really tell why it performs badly or how much room for improvement there is.

 

[StreetsAhead]

Is it just me or has this thread taken the final plunge into insanity?

Retro is making a Halo/Uncharted/CoD/GTA Killer staring Ness with a Wii Music style mini game and cameos from all your favourite games ever!

There, that ought to do it.

 

[TerryWogan]

So, er, this has probably been asked/answered on one of the many pages of one of the many threads, but here goes:

Will Virtual Console purchases carry over?

I ask because I'm a little concerned. Take my example: I bought a 3DS and put £20 on the 3DS eShop on day one. However, there was literally NOTHING there of interest so I waited it out. Then I sold my 3DS before I ever bought anything.

I contacted Nintendo and asked if I could have the £20 transferred over to the Wii's eShop. No. They said they could only transfer my £20 to another 3DS if I ever buy one again. So Nintendo are sitting on £20 of my money that I might never get to spend unless I buy another 3DS.

So neither of these stores/accounts/purchase histories are connected. Presumably the WiiU's store will be a separate entity again? This is worrying.