The WinTel empire chooses to support HD DVD
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goomba said:
Blu Ray
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I imagine the opposite, minus the game console thing.Tellaerin said:
.The Abominable Snowman said:
Why would you imagine the opposite? MS is practically dictating PC hardware configurations now, which means that HD-DVD's all but guaranteed to make a big showing there. On the other hand, the number of PS3's Sony is likely to move is going to create a substantial userbase for Blu-Ray, and is IMO more likely to expand the living room market than sticking HD-DVD drives in PC's is. (Not every PC is a media center PC, while practically every PS3 is going to be connected to a TV, the majority of them in living rooms.)
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Tellaerin said:
Are you ignoring the fact that Apple, Dell and HP are supporting Blu-ray and *not* HD-DVD?
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What a goddamn shock 
Kleegamefan said:
Just wondering how long Dell and HP's resolve is going to last in the face of a joint announcement like that from MS and Intel. (I see Apple staying the course regardless, naturally.) I think Blu-Ray is fated to become the universal standard, but it's going to be a bumpy road--when have you ever seen MS surrender gracefully when they want something?
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Tellaerin said:
Web TV
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Slurpy said:
Blame Warner (or canada, take your pick)
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Lardbutt said:
Consumers as a rule are generally daft, and have to be taught something over and over again for it to sink in. DVDs were a hard lesson to teach. Some people still don't get HD TV, but a lot of people at least know of it.
HD-DVD has a huge advantage simply in the name. It describes the product very well by combining the two big entertainment things current, HD and DVD. Therefore, while there will be some confusion about compatibility with old DVD players, consumers will be able to figure out much more quickly that it's a type of DVD designed for HD video. While many will be convinced that just regular DVDs are fine for them, as the HD buzz grows, and more people buy HD TVs when they replace their old ones (they're very slowly drifting into the standard market, instead of being high-ticket items), they consider going ahead and buying these HD DVDs to match their new HD TV.
"Bluray" is a completely new name, and a completely new thing in consumer minds, with no hints as to what it relates to. They'll have to be taught first that it's the same basic idea as DVD, then reasons why they need it over DVD.
Something as simple as the name could be a real deciding factor. At this point they HAVE to stick to Bluray as the format name, because that's what's been previously promoted and they don't want to lose what buzz they have so far, but it's not as advantageous as "HD-DVD."
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Gek54 said:
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Gek54 said:
Dell and HP sells PC base on marketing with catch phrase like "Microsoft Windows XP, Intel inside, and etc." If Wintel tells people they need HD DVD, people will demand Dell and HP sell HD DVD drives. Also, Wintel has know to pressure vendors to sale their stuff or otherwise...
I also suspect those slimeballs at Microsoft would put some sort of "feature" in Windows, for example the Media Player, that is only supported by HD-DVDs.
Then they could force Dell/HP to put HD-DVDs in their systems for the fear of having consumers complain "hey why the heck can't I use this feature on my PC????"
Then they could force Dell/HP to put HD-DVDs in their systems for the fear of having consumers complain "hey why the heck can't I use this feature on my PC????"
myzhi said:
But how many of those PC's end up in homes, as opposed to offices? There are hundreds of PC's in use at my company alone. How many of those represent potential HD-DVD/BR video sales? Zero.
And even if you do limit yourself to computers that are in homes, how many of those are people going to watch their movies on? Media center PC's are still far from the de facto standard. On the other hand, most PS3's are going to be sitting in peoples' entertainment centers, connected to the 'good' TV in the house (probably the HDTV, if they have one). There's just not a lot of overlap between what those drives would be used for in the PC market and the sales of movies and video on disc, IMO.
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Lardbutt said:
Microsoft
Intel
Toshiba
Time Warner
Sony
None of these companies are run by saints, believe me
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DAMNIT, why can't they both just DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I want HVD, that's the true next gen format!! Death to the stopgaps!!!!
I want HVD, that's the true next gen format!! Death to the stopgaps!!!!
trmas said:
You know, it's quotes like this that I find unbelievable.
Yeah, wouldn't it be great if MS went under. Think about all of the people that are MS employees. Think about all of the peripheral and support industries that support MS products; and think about the tax revenue generated.
I work with MS in networks, and there isn't a coworker I work with that doesn't share the thought MS are bullies who will stop at nothing to get their way. Anyone who works in the business hates MS..
I have friends who work for MS that would be effected. And you can always find something else. MS plays DIRTY. Really dirty.
Ask their competitors about MS and their tactics.
I have friends who work for MS that would be effected. And you can always find something else. MS plays DIRTY. Really dirty.
Ask their competitors about MS and their tactics.
HokieJoe said:
He has a point, though.
All companies are out to make money, but not all of them go about it in the same way. MS' anticompetitive practices are the stuff of legend. Anybody who can say with a straight face that MS is 'no different from any other company' when it comes to playing dirty has been living under a rock for the last couple of decades. It's true that there are no black and white, just shades of grey; however, MS' shade is a much darker grey than most.
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examples?
I make a six-figure salary doing this kind of work. MS is just one of the necessary evils in life you learn to live with. I tend to not recommend MS in the majority of my designs, because I work mainly with telecommunications, Unix, and such. Many of my coworkers have to deal with MS on a daily basis though because they work servers and desktops.
And I love my job. But there are personal experiences I've seen first hand with MS in big business. They are simply ruthless, and will leverage their position to get you to go along, by threatening to withhold support or products.
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HokieJoe said:
Honestly, it was this behavior that got me to at least, side with Microsoft. They get so much bullshit thrown their way. A lot they deserve, but a whole lot more that they don't deserve. People shit on them over viruses. Well fuck, if 90% of the world's PCs had your operating system, you'd be the target of malicious code too. Or how 90% of Blue Screens of Death are caused by 3rd party developers. When it comes to gaming, Microsoft, to me, admitted that they fucked up with the controllers. The Duke is a piece of shit, the Controller S is a godsend. Best controller ever released to the public until November 22nd. They get way too much hate thrown their way, honestly. It's a tired act.
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