The Witcher |LTTP| Catching Up to the Wild Hunt

I played Witcher 2 a couple years ago and it wasn't till last summer, when I played TW1, that I started disliking it.
I tried replaying it but it made me realize it's really not that good a sequel.


Atrocious Act 3 aside it's too linear and too political, Shani was just retconned and let's not pretend Triss wasn't a bitch in TW1, it was also never explained why Geralt was even working for Foltest which is very unwitchery,...

I only just got to Chapter 2...not sure what act you'd call that, or if you're including the Prologue or not. It's the one in Aedirn, I think. With the wraith armies.

Honestly I thought the storyline in TW1 was pretty confusing too, but this series has a good way of leaving you stumped for a while but circling back around to explain everything down the road. I just entered a very confusing part of the narrative in TW2 - not sure who I'm allied with, who're my enemies, what everyone's motivations are, etc. The series has a bad habit of throwing a bunch of names at you that you can only ask the requisite question "Who's X?" an hour after everyone's been talking about them.

I chose Triss in TW1 so I'm not terribly upset if Shani was retconned, she sort of felt like another fling to me.
 
I only just got to Chapter 2...not sure what act you'd call that, or if you're including the Prologue or not. It's the one in Aedirn, I think. With the wraith armies.

Honestly I thought the storyline in TW1 was pretty confusing too, but this series has a good way of leaving you stumped for a while but circling back around to explain everything down the road. I just entered a very confusing part of the narrative in TW2 - not sure who I'm allied with, who're my enemies, what everyone's motivations are, etc. The series has a bad habit of throwing a bunch of names at you that you can only ask the requisite question "Who's X?" an hour after everyone's been talking about them.

I chose Triss in TW1 so I'm not terribly upset if Shani was retconned, she sort of felt like another fling to me.

I'm not gonna spoil anything for TW2 but TW1 was mostly a slideshow of people who knew Geralt but were reintroduced due to his amnesia.

In the first 50 pages of book 1 Geralt meet like half the cast of TW1, and bangs 3 or 4 women.

If Geralt were to ever open a bar he should name it Ye Ol' Nympho.
 
I can't tell if the story in Witcher 1 is actually confusing, or if I'm making it more confusing because of my play style. In Chapter 2, once I got to the swamp, I cleared the entire thing and then went back into the city. Because of the order I did the quests before going to the swamp, once I came back, all the story quests for the investigation storyline started resolving rapid-fire one after the other, but in a completely random order. I'm pretty sure one particular quest that should have been completed before the others was the last one I finished, so a key piece of info didn't get revealed to me until a bunch of quests based on that info had already been accepted and resolved. So I really have no idea what the hell is going on.
 
I really can't stress enough how unsatisfactory the controls situation is in TW2. I love the game, I really do, but this has been a perpetual thorn in my side since day one. There's no reason why you shouldn't be able to just choose a preference and play the whole game that way in relative comfort, or in the very least switch to a control scheme that the game was clearly designed for at the expense of the other (as is the case with Dragon Age: Inquisition).

The frustrating thing about TW2's controls is that they were seemingly built around using different methods for different tasks. Twitchy, demanding combat demands use of a gamepad. Navigating menus demands use of kb/m. Both options are passable in their weak areas but never do they feel natural. In combat there's always that split second where I have to think "what key do I push to throw bombs again?". Menus, especially the quick menu, are barely functional with a controller. As great as the game is, this is the first game I've played where it really feels like the devs couldn't decide what platform they were developing the game for.

For those of you who played on 360, are the menus as unresponsive as using a 360 gamepad on PC? I'm just curious.
 
I can't tell if the story in Witcher 1 is actually confusing, or if I'm making it more confusing because of my play style. In Chapter 2, once I got to the swamp, I cleared the entire thing and then went back into the city. Because of the order I did the quests before going to the swamp, once I came back, all the story quests for the investigation storyline started resolving rapid-fire one after the other, but in a completely random order. I'm pretty sure one particular quest that should have been completed before the others was the last one I finished, so a key piece of info didn't get revealed to me until a bunch of quests based on that info had already been accepted and resolved. So I really have no idea what the hell is going on.

Yeah, that's one problem I've found. Quests can be completed in quite a few different orders, but then sometimes that leaves dialogues and motivations hanging in the air really awkwardly.

There was a key piece of info in Chapter 2 that Geralt basically 'discovered' twice for me. He acted surprised or like it was a new idea the 2nd time and I'm like "dude, you already knew that..."

For those of you who played on 360, are the menus as unresponsive as using a 360 gamepad on PC? I'm just curious.


It's been a while since I played TW2, but I don't remember having any problem whatsoever with the controls when I played on the 360.
 
The official english translation is supposedly rather bad in general, I'm reading them in german, which is very odd for me not having a read a book in my mother tongue for nearly half a decade, but I was advised not to purchase them in english both online and my local fantasy bookstore.
Yeah, I actually stuck with the fan translations after reading a couple pages of the official one.
 
I really can't stress enough how unsatisfactory the controls situation is in TW2. I love the game, I really do, but this has been a perpetual thorn in my side since day one. There's no reason why you shouldn't be able to just choose a preference and play the whole game that way in relative comfort, or in the very least switch to a control scheme that the game was clearly designed for at the expense of the other (as is the case with Dragon Age: Inquisition).

The frustrating thing about TW2's controls is that they were seemingly built around using different methods for different tasks. Twitchy, demanding combat demands use of a gamepad. Navigating menus demands use of kb/m. Both options are passable in their weak areas but never do they feel natural. In combat there's always that split second where I have to think "what key do I push to throw bombs again?". Menus, especially the quick menu, are barely functional with a controller. As great as the game is, this is the first game I've played where it really feels like the devs couldn't decide what platform they were developing the game for.

For those of you who played on 360, are the menus as unresponsive as using a 360 gamepad on PC? I'm just curious.

I play games now mostly on gamepad (Xbox360 gamepad) but Witcher 2 I could only play with M+K.. I was dying all the time when I played with gamepad, so I switch back to M+K, and the game became a lot, a lot easier.. the menus are not great with mouse, but they are atleast not terrible, but combat is really meant to be played with MK..well, atleast for me.. every other modern RPG I can play without problems with gamepad, but not W2
 
I play games now mostly on gamepad (Xbox360 gamepad) but Witcher 2 I could only play with M+K.. I was dying all the time when I played with gamepad, so I switch back to M+K, and the game became a lot, a lot easier.. the menus are not great with mouse, but they are atleast not terrible, but combat is really meant to be played with MK..well, atleast for me.. every other modern RPG I can play without problems with gamepad, but not W2

Weird, I finished Witcher 2 twice on hard, both times with controller, didn't have any issues..and that was back before they nerfed it. The inventory controls suck with gamepad, but I didn't mind that much, I always did what I needed to do and that was that.
 
Have just started playing the first game myself. Just got to chapter 2 now but man that first chapter boss was kicking my arse...died sooo many times.

Gutted that I camt use a pad with this game.

Is there any mods I should be looking at at all?
 
Have just started playing the first game myself. Just got to chapter 2 now but man that first chapter boss was kicking my arse...died sooo many times.

Gutted that I camt use a pad with this game.

Is there any mods I should be looking at at all?

There is some graphics mod afaik.
 
I play games now mostly on gamepad (Xbox360 gamepad) but Witcher 2 I could only play with M+K.. I was dying all the time when I played with gamepad, so I switch back to M+K, and the game became a lot, a lot easier.. the menus are not great with mouse, but they are atleast not terrible, but combat is really meant to be played with MK..well, atleast for me.. every other modern RPG I can play without problems with gamepad, but not W2
May I ask what was it about kb/m combat that you preferred over gamepad? I agree that everything else is better but that one area just feels markedly worse to me. I also prefer arm wrestling and QTE's on gamepad, but I can't even figure out how to play dice poker properly - never found a way to select multiple dice for re-roll.
 
Have just started playing the first game myself. Just got to chapter 2 now but man that first chapter boss was kicking my arse...died sooo many times.

Gutted that I camt use a pad with this game.

Is there any mods I should be looking at at all?

The first boss was insane. I was getting whooped in like 4 seconds when I tried. Took about 16 times to finally beat it (and realizing that apparently your alchemy wears off during the cutscenes....)
 
May I ask what was it about kb/m combat that you preferred over gamepad? I agree that everything else is better but that one area just feels markedly worse to me. I also prefer arm wrestling and QTE's on gamepad, but I can't even figure out how to play dice poker properly - never found a way to select multiple dice for re-roll.

Hmmm.. well, the combat response for me was way faster on M+K than with gamepad - the camera movement and control over here was better with mouse aswell - I just couldn't fight good when I controlled the game with gamepad.. I don't have any major problems with gamepad controls in W2 overall, but I always prefer M+K when it comes to W2.. yeah, the arm wrestling is easier with gamepad, but then it is too easy - like every time you can win within 5 seconds - that's not fun for me.. and the QTE are easy with M+K, no problems there
Or I can say it this way - in the first hour of the game - that part about which many, many people were complaining about the difficulty of the game - when I played that part with M+K I died maybe about 4 times, which is perfectly fine in my opinion (and in the battle with kayran maybe 2 times at most) and that was before the patches which made the game easier, but when I tried with gamepad, I would die and die all over again (at the same difficulty and after all those patches which made the game way too easy - well, when I played with M+K :D )
 
I bought a partially played through The Witcher 2 on X360. Going to have to try it again. Not playing 1 is bothering me, but I don't have a viable way to do so. That gameplay video looked pretty good.

Found this in another thread.

steelbookcover_big.jpg


And dat BBY promo..
 
May I ask what was it about kb/m combat that you preferred over gamepad? I agree that everything else is better but that one area just feels markedly worse to me. I also prefer arm wrestling and QTE's on gamepad, but I can't even figure out how to play dice poker properly - never found a way to select multiple dice for re-roll.
move between them with the d pad (left right) and select with Y, will light up when selected (depending on who you are fighting the lighting can be a bit too bright and hard to see what you are selecting ^^)
 
I bought a partially played through The Witcher 2 on X360. Going to have to try it again. Not playing 1 is bothering me, but I don't have a viable way to do so. That gameplay video looked pretty good.

Found this in another thread.

steelbookcover_big.jpg


And dat BBY promo..

Would love if they released these as wallpapers, they have posted many more on their Facebook. Seems they're for preordering.

By the way, is it ever explained what became of Ves, (Ending of Chapter 2 from TW2)
after Geralt says she was lying and that there was no way for her to be alive
?
 
Just got to Chapter 4 in Witcher 1. Still liking it, but man the repeating character models and environments are starting to get to me.
 
Just got to Chapter 4 in Witcher 1. Still liking it, but man the repeating character models and environments are starting to get to me.
I think the most frustrating element of TW1 for me are all the time-dependent quests. Like you'd be instructed to go meet someone but the game wouldn't tell you what time, so you had to keep running back to the inn to meditate over and over until you happened on the right time. Despite having a couple time-specific objectives in TW2 I haven't noticed it being quite as bad.
 
Oh good, I didn't have to deplete all his health - unless you're thinking of a later fight with him that I don't know about - I just beat him in Flotsam. All Aard did was stagger him unfortunately, his shield was still active. Just tried to chain as many consecutive Aards on him as possible before he got his shields back.

.

Ah well, shows how little I remember. :P

No that would be
the Operator
, especially on harder difficulties

Forgot about him but then, he's an optional fight.
 
I think the most frustrating element of TW1 for me are all the time-dependent quests. Like you'd be instructed to go meet someone but the game wouldn't tell you what time, so you had to keep running back to the inn to meditate over and over until you happened on the right time. Despite having a couple time-specific objectives in TW2 I haven't noticed it being quite as bad.

in those cases the internet is your friend, though after a while I knew their routes and caught them rather quickly.
 
I'm so hyped, I re-read all the books. Because why not.

They're awesome. And Ciri is one of my favourite characters in the book (no spoilers), so I hope she's just as awesome in the game.
 
I think the most frustrating element of TW1 for me are all the time-dependent quests. Like you'd be instructed to go meet someone but the game wouldn't tell you what time, so you had to keep running back to the inn to meditate over and over until you happened on the right time. Despite having a couple time-specific objectives in TW2 I haven't noticed it being quite as bad.

Yeah, that was really annoying too. Especially some of the beginning of the game into chapter 2. It seemed I was always just searching for someone. Even if I knew when they'd be around, it was kind of frustrating, because you have to go search out a fire or another npc and then meditate until that time. Then you meet that person and the quest sends you off to another person on the other side of town.
 
I managed to secure a pre-order for the Collector's Edition after all, from my local GameStop. Seems that thing sold out rather quick online, especially the PC version I was after.
I'm thinking of giving the first game another shot, since it's been ages since I last tried it out - around the time that game originally released. At the time I wasn't swept away with the fiction and I didn't enjoy the combat. This time around, with the Enhanced Edition and all and having an itch to get a better picture for the whole of the trilogy I think I might like it better. Of course, finishing that would mean I would need to finish Assassin's of Kings again for any choices to carry over (which is by no means a chore).

Anyway, whilst I was shopping for that CE, I came across this companion book of sorts for the series.


I don't suppose this is anything like compendium that actually ships with the physical copy of the game? If this book is just a wiki written in context of the series with good art, I'm totally buying it - but if the same basic information is conveyed in the compendium that comes with every copy of the game I feel inclined to pass.
Not that ~35€ is much of an ask. It's a shame that this thing is shipping the same day as the game though. I'd much rather read up on everything before the date, and then enjoy the game without any pause to check up on things.
 
I beat Witcher 2 multiple times on hard and dark mode with a controller, so I don't know what's going on there. There are some flaws in the game, but I never understood the dislike for the combat past the very beginning when you don't know how to play yet.
 
I don't suppose this is anything like compendium that actually ships with the physical copy of the game? If this book is just a wiki written in context of the series with good art, I'm totally buying it - but if the same basic information is conveyed in the compendium that comes with every copy of the game I feel inclined to pass.

It's my understanding that the book is a detailed artbook & encyclopedia. It wouldn't make much sense for the compendium to include the same information, so I'm sure that the book is worth a purchase.
 
I beat Witcher 2 multiple times on hard and dark mode with a controller, so I don't know what's going on there. There are some flaws in the game, but I never understood the dislike for the combat past the very beginning when you don't know how to play yet.

Combat controls with the gamepad are the ones I actually like - it's kb/m that always throws me. My complaint about gamepad controls is mostly centered around how it handles menus, which makes navigating the inventory or the quick menu a pain. Not sure what it is about a simple radial menu that was so hard to implement with a gamepad.

Anyway, I love the combat when it plays to its strengths - namely telling you what sort of threat to expect and rewarding those who spend the time preparing traps/oils/bombs for the coming battle. My only complaint about the Letho fight was that it comes out of nowhere. You know you're probably going to fight him but there's no down time between the arachas fight and the Letho fight to let you prepare.
 
Combat controls with the gamepad are the ones I actually like - it's kb/m that always throws me. My complaint about gamepad controls is mostly centered around how it handles menus, which makes navigating the inventory or the quick menu a pain. Not sure what it is about a simple radial menu that was so hard to implement with a gamepad.

Anyway, I love the combat when it plays to its strengths - namely telling you what sort of threat to expect and rewarding those who spend the time preparing traps/oils/bombs for the coming battle. My only complaint about the Letho fight was that it comes out of nowhere. You know you're probably going to fight him but there's no down time between the arachas fight and the Letho fight to let you prepare.

I agree about certain control options. I guess the PC version with controller lacks console features, like using the stick to directly select radial menu spells/items rather than having to cycle through with up or down, and I believe the console version has some camera assist so you don't constantly have to rotate it manually. I could be wrong, but it's what I read.

"Surprise, motherfucker!" moments are some of the flaws IMO. A cutscene ends, and you're already getting hit while you fumble to get your sword.
 
Have just started playing the first game myself. Just got to chapter 2 now but man that first chapter boss was kicking my arse...died sooo many times.

Gutted that I camt use a pad with this game.

Is there any mods I should be looking at at all?

The first boss in TW1 is easily the hardest one. I remember everyone complaining how hard it is back when the game was still new. What makes it hard is because you don't have very good weapons or enough skill points at that point of the game.
 
The first boss in TW1 is easily the hardest one. I remember everyone complaining how hard it is back when the game was still new. What makes it hard is because you don't have very good weapons or enough skill points at that point of the game.
I personally had a lot more trouble with Azar Javed, but I don't remember why.
 
Fighting Letho and failing.

Man, this game's combat mechanics really don't support the style of combat they wish to have. It's ambitious, but the framework really isn't there to make a deadly one-on-one duel. It feels like "how can I best cheese you with signs"...practice makes perfect, I guess. Dumping you into a random boss fight without any prep time is sort of against the spirit of the series, but I'll stop whining and beat it already.

Throwing knife spam won me the day here. Hardest required fight in game if properly geared. If you accidently rush through chapter 3 like I did and had some mid chapter 2 weaponry the final boss can be quite difficult as well.

The first boss in TW1 is easily the hardest one. I remember everyone complaining how hard it is back when the game was still new. What makes it hard is because you don't have very good weapons or enough skill points at that point of the game.

Forgot to purchase the spirit damage sword oil on my first playthrough, the boss at the end of Act 1 took way too many tries to take down.

Tip for those looking to trivialize the combat later in game: upgraded Igni sign is op. Also make sure to learn and discover alchemy potions, some of the best ones help immensely in the tougher boss fights.
 
I saw the Enhanced Edition for 2, and now a Silver Box? There is debate over what extra content is in that release. Is it just a comic, or actual playable content integrated with the story in game?
 
I saw the Enhanced Edition for 2, and now a Silver Box? There is debate over what extra content is in that release. Is it just a comic, or actual playable content integrated with the story in game?
There are no playable contents locked, all available for free. So whatever it is, it is not that.
 
Yeah, Witcher 1 Dandelion is the most uncharismatic bard ever. Definitely needed a recast going into Witcher 2.

Both him and Triss have been the 2 disappointments for me in their game incarnations. Although in Dandelion's case it's because the bar is set so high. Triss's problem is that they sucked out her personality and gave her the same stock personality every other Sorceress has.
Pretty much everyone was just reading lines off the scripts.
 
I bought a partially played through The Witcher 2 on X360. Going to have to try it again. Not playing 1 is bothering me, but I don't have a viable way to do so. That gameplay video looked pretty good.

Found this in another thread.

steelbookcover_big.jpg


And dat BBY promo..

Decided to be sensible and just go with the BestBuy steelbook. Collectors Edition (which is STILL up for preorder on XboxOne at Walmart. Com) is just too much. I'll still pick up the World of The Witcher artbook down the road tho.

I really need to set aside time to reread at least The Last Wish. LOVE that book :)
 
Wrapped up Chapter 2 in TW2.

+ The area was more open and accessible than Flotsam
+ The narrative was strong - felt more vital to the overall story than Ch.1 did
+ Greater variety of monster types
+ Finally got to sleep with
Ves
+ Dethmold is a creepy motherfucker and a great liaison throughout
+ Got to kill
Henselt

- That quest where you lug the drunk around that has like a dozen different non-obvious fail states
- The
Draug
boss. What were they going for here, exactly? Was I supposed to win this fight by lobbing bombs at him? Because that was the only tactic I found that worked. Honestly this series has terrible boss fights.
- Agh, again with the body switching! The
necromantic ritual where you inhabit the body of the assassin
wasn't so bad because at least you could dodge, but the part where you
inhabit the bodies of the slain soldiers in the battlefield
was awful, same as when you become
Henselt
. I really hope there aren't any of these segments in TW3, except for Ciri since she'll have a fully-formed moveset.
 
Wrapped up Chapter 2 in TW2.


- That quest where you lug the drunk around that has like a dozen different non-obvious fail states

Ooooooodrin is disappointed with you. :(

- The
Draug
boss. What were they going for here, exactly? Was I supposed to win this fight by lobbing bombs at him? Because that was the only tactic I found that worked. Honestly this series has terrible boss fights.

Agreed. I would say the Letho fight is the sole decent one.
- Agh, again with the body switching! The
necromantic ritual where you inhabit the body of the assassin
wasn't so bad because at least you could dodge, but the part where you
inhabit the bodies of the slain soldiers in the battlefield
was awful, same as when you become
Henselt
. I really hope there aren't any of these segments in TW3, except for Ciri since she'll have a fully-formed moveset.
Oh that was awful too. Dunno what they were thinking.

Given you earlier comments on certain characters, you will probably get the same ending I did on my first playthrough. Not gonna spoil anything for you but I remember some people not being very okay with a certain controversial thing on this path.
 
The
Draug
is super easy and much easier than Letho. Yrden and backstab, backstab, backstab. Dead in one combo. He's a bit one-shotty on Dark, but Dark is definitely an "extra extra" challenge mode. Most times it's easy but it has some real huge difficulty spikes. It's not a real gauge of the game's balance. But I don't know if you're playing on it.

Chapter 3 boss is hardest, at least on insane and hard.
 
Ooooooodrin is disappointed with you. :(



Agreed. I would say the Letho fight is the sole decent one.

Oh that was awful too. Dunno what they were thinking.

Given you earlier comments on certain characters, you will probably get the same ending I did on my first playthrough. Not gonna spoil anything for you but I remember some people not being very okay with a certain controversial thing on this path.

I'm okay with that.

By the way, I've been curious - when did I choose the Roche path? When I went to his aid in Ch.1 or when I went straight to Phillipa's house in Ch.2?

The
Draug
is super easy and much easier than Letho. Yrden and backstab, backstab, backstab. Dead in one combo. He's a bit one-shotty on Dark, but Dark is definitely an "extra extra" challenge mode. Most times it's easy but it has some real huge difficulty spikes. It's not a real gauge of the game's balance. But I don't know if you're playing on it.

Chapter 3 boss is hardest, at least on insane and hard.

Hmm. I tried Yrden'ing him but he just charged right through it every time. I agree that he's still easy though. Just took about a dozen bombs to kill him from a distance.

Playing on normal, BTW.
 
When you helped him
storm Loredo's house
. You're at a crossroads after
you find Cedric
The final mission in Flotsam is dependent on who you help.

Edit: Fixed
 
Hmm. I tried Yrden'ing him but he just charged right through it every time. I agree that he's still easy though. Just took about a dozen bombs to kill him from a distance.

Playing on normal, BTW.

Unfortunately that's a bug on bigger enemies like the Bullvore and Trolls as well. There's another that happens with all enemies, where you Yrden and they pivot to always face you.
 
Hmm. I tried Yrden'ing him but he just charged right through it every time. I agree that he's still easy though. Just took about a dozen bombs to kill him from a distance.
Yeah it might've bugged out or the charge makes him invulnerable to it, because once yrden hits, you can kill it with just one decent backstab combo
 
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