Celcius
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To be fair, I don't normally keep up with politics and I wasn't familiar with the Epstein case until the recent public uproar (I didn't vote for Trump though)
There is no Epstein Client List
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Brazen
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It's good that more do keep up with it though. And keep up with both sides imo.
lughnasadh123
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"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, Ok?" Trump has a better grasp on his base more than anyone. Well, until this, they've never given a damn about the other stuff. Ask them, I'd love to know too.
12Goblins
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Right? I feel at this point he could just say 'Why Not? You Wouldn't Fuck this 16 Year old? ' and most people would be like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Brazen
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Since everyone is giving their theories willy nilly, I may as well go ahead and state mine.
Epstein was primarily a networker for powerful interest and did the bidding of powerful individuals ahead of various prominent institutions.
This is so damning and involves so many people that our federal institutions will not allow public knowledge for generations.
My current interest is with the billionaire who funded Epstein and his entire operation and did so cleverly. Anyone wanting another rabbit hole just read on Les Wexner Epstein's connections.
Epstein was primarily a networker for powerful interest and did the bidding of powerful individuals ahead of various prominent institutions.
This is so damning and involves so many people that our federal institutions will not allow public knowledge for generations.
My current interest is with the billionaire who funded Epstein and his entire operation and did so cleverly. Anyone wanting another rabbit hole just read on Les Wexner Epstein's connections.
Brazen
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The victim interviews were the most interesting parts to me; we need more of those.
The team behind the video however assumes Donald Trump is the entire federal government 2019-2025. If this is a cover up it involves far more people. So I don't agree with the narrative.
edit: I would like to hear more from case workers, lawyers, whistleblowers, etc from all cases/victims involved, we also need more of those.
The team behind the video however assumes Donald Trump is the entire federal government 2019-2025. If this is a cover up it involves far more people. So I don't agree with the narrative.
edit: I would like to hear more from case workers, lawyers, whistleblowers, etc from all cases/victims involved, we also need more of those.
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Brazen
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The prisoner in question was speaking against Maxwell being there.
They moved Maxwell from a prison that houses violent criminals to one that houses white collar type crimes.
My assumption is they are making sure no "suicides" happen to her?
I doubt those prisoners are going to get more intelligence than what our agents have gotten from Maxwell if that's the other assumption.
demigod
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These clowns in office will just ridicule Zelensky again. The war will continue. This peace talk was all a farce.
Bojji
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There is no peace with Russia, they will break any agreement at some point.
Ukraine can just as well keep fighting.
Bojji
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Peace would be amazing, but we are talking about country that is not civilized, they don't respect any agreements or peace deals. In their minds Ukraine is theirs and they won't stop until they take it, not have enough resources to attack anymore or people in power change.
Only thing that would stop this war is some "I have a bigger dick than you" power move from NATO. But no one is willing to do that and risk WW3...
Brazen
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There is strength in diplomacy. The DMZ between N/S Korea being an example. Nothing is perfect on that front however anything is better than war.
It'll be up to the Ukrainians how long they want to keep fighting. And I'm leaving this subject at that from me. I don't want to keep going off topic.
It'll be up to the Ukrainians how long they want to keep fighting. And I'm leaving this subject at that from me. I don't want to keep going off topic.
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Unknown Soldier
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poppabk
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Wait, so there is an Epstein list?
YCoCg
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That's great to hear that Trump isn't on the list, should be good for him to release it then.
Brazen
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More than one individual = federal government/process.
Hero of Spielberg
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Trump, famous for his adherence to government process.
Brazen
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Do we want a process or not? Only took five-six years and the other half of the population to finally have a reason for Epstein outcry to at least get this transparency going.
Hero of Spielberg
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Do we want transparency or not? It only took a few months to go from 'release the files' to 'the files are a hoax'. It doesn't look very much like transparency to me.
Brazen
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I have already explained this process here. Maybe there is no "there" there in terms of a mass blackmail political/foreign/etc ring? What if that's what intelligence/case workers informed his administration on up til a month ago? And that's what he is referring to?
That's just one of what can be many reasons why the federal government has been hush hush and why Trump has responded that way on this.
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Hero of Spielberg
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You mean the 'client list' paraded around in folders earlier this year?
Brazen
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No I mean the "whatever files/intelligence/list" that hasn't been released yet to the public that is supposed to give credence to some cover up or conspiracy.
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Hero of Spielberg
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You do see the problem when politicians parade around a supposed client list claiming that it will expose all these people and then a few months later members of that same administration and the president say it's all a hoax.
Makes it difficult to believe that their actions are ones of transparency or seeking truth.
It makes it look much more like a conspiracy than government procedure.
Brazen
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I don't because Trump and his team were making those promises during the campaign and when they first got in office when they were still going on the same suspicions as the rest of the public, or those paying attention at the time.
Everything is still going under review as we speak. Assuming they even have all material turned over.
Everything is still going under review as we speak. Assuming they even have all material turned over.
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Brazen
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Epstein was mishandled from the start. Part of why the whole institutional coverup conspiracy behind it was a thing at all.
Listing a timeline of circumstances happening within the federal government from 2005 till today that a highly connected wealthy individual like Epstein with top lawyers got special deals that ultimately led to his "suicide" needs more to go on here than just those circumstances. This is a story all to familiar that happens to anyone connected or wealthy. What would be the motive for the DoJ/FBI protecting Trump for decades? Or any one individual/group for that matter?
Did Trump's administration overpromise in the second term? Obviously.
Did Trump's administration, or more specifically Pam Bondi, act completely green with the binder episode only having information that was already publicly available? Obviously. And reporting prematurely that she had everything she requested when first starting her position? Exactly, because she came out weeks later admitting she didn't have everything. (one of many details completely not reported in that video)
We should be getting whistleblowers any day of criminal malpractice within the DoJ throughout the decades of a case. Except we haven't...
MSNBC will either need to do a follow up to flesh out that timeline after these next few weeks/months. Congressional hearings have just started so we finally have people in the federal government under testimony and to gather further information and also starting this week is the DoJ sending all files related to Epstein that they have to congress.
Listing a timeline of circumstances happening within the federal government from 2005 till today that a highly connected wealthy individual like Epstein with top lawyers got special deals that ultimately led to his "suicide" needs more to go on here than just those circumstances. This is a story all to familiar that happens to anyone connected or wealthy. What would be the motive for the DoJ/FBI protecting Trump for decades? Or any one individual/group for that matter?
Did Trump's administration overpromise in the second term? Obviously.
Did Trump's administration, or more specifically Pam Bondi, act completely green with the binder episode only having information that was already publicly available? Obviously. And reporting prematurely that she had everything she requested when first starting her position? Exactly, because she came out weeks later admitting she didn't have everything. (one of many details completely not reported in that video)
We should be getting whistleblowers any day of criminal malpractice within the DoJ throughout the decades of a case. Except we haven't...
MSNBC will either need to do a follow up to flesh out that timeline after these next few weeks/months. Congressional hearings have just started so we finally have people in the federal government under testimony and to gather further information and also starting this week is the DoJ sending all files related to Epstein that they have to congress.
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Toots
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How can you justify taking the money into the common man's shrinking pockets and throwing it directly into arms dealers lap without a war ???
USA needs to get rid of the militaro-industrial complex before even thinking about doing the right thing (good luck with that).
ResurrectedContrarian
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for what it's worth, I think the take given here (for the 10 minutes after this timestamp) in the recent interview with Douthat is basically a properly moderated take:
In short, a kind of middle-of-the-road view: the agencies could release much more, and should; there probably is nothing like a "client list," but there should nonetheless be plenty of ugly info / govt complacency that could help reveal why he was protected so long; any ideas of a smoking gun about Trump or anyone high in his admin being implicated is outside the reasonable range of what's likely (major party donors / figures etc is much more plausible), but still this administration (or equally, the prior one) should have released much more; the real scandal is not about some group of high-level names being Epstein clients, but more about the chain of failure and complicity that led him to coast so long in plain view.
Personally, I just want the full story of his history to be released and documented enough that we could get a fantastic documentary mini-series one day.
In short, a kind of middle-of-the-road view: the agencies could release much more, and should; there probably is nothing like a "client list," but there should nonetheless be plenty of ugly info / govt complacency that could help reveal why he was protected so long; any ideas of a smoking gun about Trump or anyone high in his admin being implicated is outside the reasonable range of what's likely (major party donors / figures etc is much more plausible), but still this administration (or equally, the prior one) should have released much more; the real scandal is not about some group of high-level names being Epstein clients, but more about the chain of failure and complicity that led him to coast so long in plain view.
Personally, I just want the full story of his history to be released and documented enough that we could get a fantastic documentary mini-series one day.
ChorizoPicozo
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El Muerto
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"The woman thought to have the most direct knowledge of Jeffery Epstein's decades-long sex-trafficking operation claims there was no client list, no blackmail scheme and -- to her knowledge -- no high-profile Epstein associates who committed illicit acts in connection with the notorious sex-offender's crimes."
abcnews.go.com
Ghislaine Maxwell provided no incriminating information during meetings with deputy AG on high-profile individuals who interacted with Jeffrey Epstein, transcript shows
Ghislaine Maxwell said she never witnessed any inappropriate activity by Donald Trump or Bill Clinton, according to a transcript of her meeting last month with the DOJ.
abcnews.go.com
DeafTourette
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The fix is in
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Celcius
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The known perjurer is OBVIOUSLY lying and saying everything that she can to try to get a pardon from the president.
If she had told the truth then they never would have released this in the first place.
By the end of the week she'll probably claim that she never met Trump before lol
Everything was "I don't remember", "I wasn't involved in any of it", "I didn't see anything".
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Links to the info released today: https://www.justice.gov/maxwell-interview
If she had told the truth then they never would have released this in the first place.
By the end of the week she'll probably claim that she never met Trump before lol
Everything was "I don't remember", "I wasn't involved in any of it", "I didn't see anything".
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Links to the info released today: https://www.justice.gov/maxwell-interview
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Bojji
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Who believes this shit?
She does that to get pardon and not to die "by accident" or "suicide" in prison.
ResurrectedContrarian
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I don't think she ever witnessed Trump or even Bill Clinton get a massage from an underage girl or anything like that. In fact I think that's the most reasonable and least conspiratorial belief.
Despite both of those figures having a long series of infidelities and embarrassments, neither is stupid enough to risk that situation. It's perfectly plausible that they kind of knew how Epstein was a bit questionable and just shrugged it off as everyone else did in those elite circles, and that's a bit of a mark on both of their records, sure. But I don't think it's reasonable to believe in some kind of smoking gun out there where any current or former President was letting himself be set up with underage girls by Epstein. There's really zero evidence of that.
Brazen
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Doesn't really matter if we believe her or not, what matters is those involved in the casework/etc know or believe her story or otherwise.
If it comes out she's lying they can hit her with additional perjury charges, yes?
edit- And there is no pardon, that is merely a media narrative at the moment. But let's not wait an see...
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Celcius
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She was clearly lying in her 2 day conversation before she got transferred but this administration isn't going to pursue that as long as she continues to compliment the president
Brazen
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That is not an argument. What was she lying about? And what is the other side?
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