Think $200 is too much for a pro controller? How about $400 for one without any analog sticks or even a d-pad?

LegendOfKage

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I just learned these things existed. Who would have thought a fancy WASD style controller would become a big thing for a lot of people in the fighting game community. Sort of makes 200 dollar pro controllers look like a bargain, doesn't it?
 
Rich people stuff is weird man.
We broke people struggle with cheap controllers, while these guys spend a new console money on a controller.
 
HeisenbergFX4 said:
I don't see this thing any differently for people who love fighting games compared to people investing in wheels for racers or flight sticks for flight sims
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Same. If you're a big enough fan of the genre, I'm sure it absolutely makes sense. I'd think there would be a large benefit in not having to deal with accidental commands made by using a fight stick, so I get the intent here.
 
I don't get the constant crying about the price. You think it's too expensive? Just use the normal controller like 99% of the PS5 owners or buy some third party back paddles and DIY.
 
LegendOfKage said:



I just learned these things existed. Who would have thought a fancy WASD style controller would become a big thing for a lot of people in the fighting game community. Sort of makes 200 dollar pro controllers look like a bargain, doesn't it?
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How many of these things have sold? Guessing maybe couple thousand and I think that's being generous, hell maybe even under a thousand.
 
LegendOfKage said:
Same. If you're a big enough fan of the genre, I'm sure it absolutely makes sense. I'd think there would be a large benefit in not having to deal with accidental commands made by using a fight stick, so I get the intent here.
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Yeah just a quick search I see flight sticks and racing wheels that cost more than this arcade stick

I bet a lot of people here on GAF have nice racing set ups costing much more than this
 
"Wanna know why it's so exciting? One, because it's super luxurious"


Yeah, I don't have a good opinion of him.
 
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I always want a hitbox style of fight stick, but the prices are straight up stupid. I will however get a Snackbox Micro if I ever get a Steam deck, that just seems like the perfect match.
 
I think what seems crazy to me is not the why these kind of controllers exist, but why are they so expensive? If anything, I'd think these things would be cheaper since they forgo the stick.
 
iam not sold on all button layout fightboxes. dunno, it just feels weird.
the most i have paid for some peripheral was psvr for 250€. i dont think i would pay more than the console itself for some controller.
 
Hit-box style controllers are the optimal way to play a fighting game. Using buttons for movement is so much cleaner. Building up the muscle memory to use the layout is challenging but frankly its a lower barrier to entry than building stick muscle memory. The Victrix is really expensive because its a niche product that has an official license. Cheaper all-button fight sticks already exist. You can get them working on console despite the lack of a license with a little work. The price is pretty fair since you only ever need to buy one fight stick. I've been using an old PS3/360 stick for over a decade. The joystick and buttons are still working fine. I only changed the PCB for full console compatibility for like $60.
 
feynoob said:
Rich people stuff is weird man.
We broke people struggle with cheap controllers, while these guys spend a new console money on a controller.
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It's really about satisfaction and a sense of enough. Maybe the guy bought this controller and is saving on the rest of his spending. It's tough to judge at a distance. I have a high end PC, but live pretty cheap otherwise because that's what's important to me.
 
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I remember buying an arcade pad back in 2016 for over £100 when I was heavily into 2D fighting games. Has to be probably the biggest waste of money i've made in my life, it turned out to be much more awkward to use than controller.
 
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Stupid price, but it appeals to a certain segment of the market.

Besides there's nothing else quite like it on the market, while "pro controllers" are just variants of regular controllers with a couple extra features and a "pro" tag on it.
 
FGC gaffers looking at the rest of the community and realising they know nothing about Hitbox

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I built one for me for like 100 euros (which is mainly the board price).

In my teens I played a lot of fighting game on emulation on a keyboard. So an hitbox feels natural for me. I can't do shit with a stick in 2D Fighters xD
 
LegendOfKage said:



I just learned these things existed. Who would have thought a fancy WASD style controller would become a big thing for a lot of people in the fighting game community. Sort of makes 200 dollar pro controllers look like a bargain, doesn't it?
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You obviously don't play fighting games at the highest possible level most mortal humans can't eve…



Wait never mind carry on
 
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Hitbox layout... These types of controllers have been around for decades, and technically compared to an arcade stick or even a d-pad, they are cheating. You can press all of the directions at the same time, which is impossible with an arcade lever. People will pay crazy amounts of money to get a competitive edge.
 
Hitbox is considered cheating by many in the fighting game community. It allows you to hold inputs making it really easy to pull off maneuvers that fight stick or pad players literally CANNOT do.

I personally don't care, but hitboxes have been banned in some tourneys

Edit: Yea what Solidus_T Solidus_T said.
 
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If people are heavily into a certain genre then it's totally understandable for them to go the extra mile on a controller if they want, if i was into fighters i could see myself maybe getting a really nice arcade stick probably not one of those hit boxes though as it doesn't replicate a true arcade experience although saying that would probably be great for certain rhythm games hehe. Already am used to buying huge arcade sized rhythm controllers to fully replicate the arcde experience so paying the price of a PS5 for a single controller is not that unusual to me.
 
Look up an aftermarket vitrix ps4 stick. They age EXTREMELY well.

Picked up the stick and HB variations when I grabbed the controller. Should be shipping very soon.

Fight sticks are like shoes or purses I guess. If she can get a $1500 carrying case for her phone and other "stuff" I can have a $300 snack box micro XL.
 
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Solidus_T said:
Hitbox layout... These types of controllers have been around for decades, and technically compared to an arcade stick or even a d-pad, they are cheating. You can press all of the directions at the same time, which is impossible with an arcade lever. People will pay crazy amounts of money to get a competitive edge.
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SFV supports the use of both analogue sticks on a ds4 controller to so you can hold down and up at the same time with that as well.

Some games ban it some allow it.
 
Prefer old school arcade sticks myself, but I thought "SOCD cleaner mode" was used on Hitboxes to make them allowable at tournies.
 
Hitbox controls can be extremely hard to use.
But very rewarding IF you can use it.
And that's if you're even somewhat decent at the fighting game.

The skill ceiling is somewhere outside the milkyway.
 
I think the fact that there are people who can probably play professionally on this all button controller is crazier than the exorbitant price.
 
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SFV supports the use of both analogue sticks on a ds4 controller to so you can hold down and up at the same time with that as well.

Some games ban it some allow it.
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I'm aware of this. The thing is that no one has two thumbs on one hand for easy access to both directional inputs at the same time. Hitbox made an arcade stick that actually takes the input from analog and adds extra buttons to the right side, and it comes with software that might as well be macro software, really setting it in that these devices are basically just for cheating.
 
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Power Pro said:
I think what seems crazy to me is not the why these kind of controllers exist, but why are they so expensive? If anything, I'd think these things would be cheaper since they forgo the stick.
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Similarly I wonder why the current standard Xbox controllers are so expensive considering how completely basic they are.

I'm not saying gyro is a must-have feature but Xbox controllers don't have it. They also don't seem to have advanced rumble. It seems pretty basic.
So.... then it's just the same controller they've been selling since 360 but with a different plastic body, no?
 
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40 posts in and this thread is going well and peaceful yet the edge controller set gaf off with the pitchforks. Yes I read the reasons in both.
 
What makes this crazy is the best arcade parts in the world are easily purchased as aftermarket spares. It's one of the easiest controllers ever to DIY, so it's insane they're selling for so much.
 
Hit Box used to be banned from tournaments, now the company sponsors some of the best players in the world.

I don't like it. Even as somebody who has never had great execution on a stick, and would probably really benefit from using one of these, I don't think I could ever get myself to do it. I'd rather lose on a stick than win on a hit box.
 
Edit: wow there are some dumbass comments in this thread.

Hitbox doesn't magically all of a sudden give you the keys to win City.

The main case of people seeing a hitbox being banned is because it didn't have SOCD cleaning (Simultaneous Opposing Cardinal Directions), meaning people were able to hold down multiple directions at the time, with socd cleaning for example if you hold back + forward you will get forward, so you can't block both left and right.

Your controller is generally checked at tournaments, most people use Brook boards which have socd cleaning.

"somebody who has never had great execution on a stick, and would probably really benefit from using one of these" most important part I read: "somebody who has never had great execution".

 
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TagZ said:
Hitbox doesn't magically all of a sudden give you the keys to win City.

The main case of people seeing a hitbox being banned is because it didn't have SOCD cleaning (Simultaneous Opposing Cardinal Directions), meaning people were able to hold down multiple directions at the time, with socd cleaning for example if you hold back + forward you will get forward, so you can't block both left and right.

Your controller is generally checked at tournaments, most people use Brook boards which have socd cleaning.
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Thanks for posting this. All the comments about "easy win" and "bans" made me a bit laugh but didn't want to bother answering.
You can use whatever controllers you want in tournament as long as they don't offer unfair advantages (which Hitbox don't have).
For example a french player (Olivier "Luffy" Hay) always plays with a PS1 controller (and won Street Fighter 4's EVO 2014 with it)

I don't see the point of setting Hitbox aside from the others options.
On a regular controllers some peoples will use D-pad, others analog stick. Then some prefer Arcade stick (and here there is again some choice on the joystick). Then some others just wants pushing buttons with a hitbox (which is just a bother layout for D-pad basically).
 
DelireMan7 said:
Thanks for posting this. All the comments about "easy win" and "bans" made me a bit laugh but didn't want to bother answering.
You can use whatever controllers you want in tournament as long as they don't offer unfair advantages (which Hitbox don't have).
For example a french player (Olivier "Luffy" Hay) always plays with a PS1 controller (and won Street Fighter 4's EVO 2014 with it)

I don't see the point of setting Hitbox aside from the others options.
On a regular controllers some peoples will use D-pad, others analog stick. Then some prefer Arcade stick (and here there is again some choice on the joystick). Then some others just wants pushing buttons with a hitbox (which is just a bother layout for D-pad basically).
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Yea it's pretty weird the outright dismissal from some and in a sense saying someone like Daigo Umehara is a "cheater".

For those wanting to learn a bit more about the experience I would recommend watching Brian_Fs YouTube, he went from what it seemed like completely anti Hitbox to actually picking one up and kina documenting his journey in learning it.

I play with all 3 switching up every now and then.
 
Solidus_T said:
Hitbox layout... These types of controllers have been around for decades, and technically compared to an arcade stick or even a d-pad, they are cheating. You can press all of the directions at the same time, which is impossible with an arcade lever. People will pay crazy amounts of money to get a competitive edge.
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dishonorable.
 
Those crazy fighting genre suckers I thought, whilst admiring my warthog hotas, thrustmaster tpr pedals and honeycomb flight yoke.
 
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