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Three Muslim Siblings booted off plane because text on phone was in Arabic
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excelsiorlef
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I'm actually going to edit that in cause you're right.
People of color have been attacked, beaten, killed and oppressed by white people for centuries. Should we fear white folks the way they fear Muslims/Arabs or anyone who looks like them? I mean, we have good reason due to history, right?
Zvonimir Boban
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Is this...real life?
witchedwiz
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So knowing that the risk is there, albeit the chance is really low, i should ignore it?
And learn to discuss with out sending people you disagree with to "fuck off" that just show how little you can add to a conversation...
Zvonimir Boban
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"That lady over there is a member of ISIS"
"Really, how do you know this?
"There was Arabic on her phone"
"Are you fluent in Arabic?"
"Errr...not really"
"Then please shut the fuck up and get back to your seat, don't forget to stow your hand luggage in the overhead compartment. Thanks"
EdibleKnife
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Again, there's risk with everyone on a plane. History has shown that there are such things as terrorist or dangerous people that are not Muslims, yet you and the people in the story qualify only their existence as a foreign language-speaking person as an inherent danger rather than anything about them that should actually raise an eyebrow as aberrant behavior.
Beer Monkey
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This didn't make anybody safe.
Via Purifico
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I got a good chuckle out of this.
I'd argue you're proving my point with this post, actually. You're stereotyping anyone white as traditionally the master in a master-slave relationship when it comes to people of color. That's pretty much the same mechanism at work which caused this unfortunate event on a plane to take place.
excelsiorlef
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No.
Which white people are getting kicked off of planes? Or shot in the streets?
Or, like I was just this past weekend, not allowed to enter a convention without any fucking reason given?
Wut?
Do you think they'd hold the plane on the tarmac if a person of color raised concerns that the white person sitting next to them would enslave their people and commit centuries of atrocities at their expense?
Wow thank god you werent born in that time when witch hunt was a thing..wtf is this
Shadow Ranger
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Just wait until they learn their phone was using ARABIC NUMERALS!
Ignorant as fuck.
Jess! At least censor this! I might get booted off the plane. Christ, have some consideration.
Cop should've gone on the plane to confirm all is well. At least whistle-blower's time was also wasted. And then he gets to look at them reenter the plane.
MistakenMobius
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It's not like white people where on the other side of the stick from time to time. Razzia and all...
People are afraid and they do stupid things.
Nobody wants to be a victim of the next terror attack.
The climate in Europe to be vigilant and report suspicious activity is a double edged sword.
adamsappel
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If you thought a fellow passenger was planning some sort of terrorist attack, why would you want to stay on that plane? The accusing passenger should be happy to be removed from the plane instead.
I was reflecting the entirety of your comment right back at you. It's quite insulting isn't it?
There are plenty of reasons why racial profiling doesn't work - go take a look at the US. But if you believe that violating the basic rights of people on the basis of what they look like or how they speak is needed in order to protect yourself - then sorry, I have no other words for you.
My point is the stereotype exists, and people can buy into that stereotype to varying degrees. Under certain, stressful situations, those variables can go up. I'd like to preface this by saying it doesn't make any of it right. But if someone accuses a Muslim of being a potential terrorist on a plane, with all the recent history of terrible atrocities committed by cowards undeserving of the Muslim title, but identifying as such all the same, certain stereotypes can take control of common sense in such a stressful and vulnerable situation that the majority of people on a plane can freak out. And it's human nature to do so, no one wants to die.
EdibleKnife
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The point was clearly made that minorities don't just call out white people as a danger despite a history of white supremacy and black oppression in this country. If black people can tolerate plane rides with people that historically and currently have despised and oppressed their race; the reporters should be more than capable of a plane ride with Muslims knowing terroristic history but also being fully aware that there are millions on millions of them in the world and not all of them are terrorists.
Sure. They'd hold the plane to detain said person of color for disturbing the peace and causing public unrest.
And people are saying that none of that should matter, because it's fucking ridiculous. I don't give a fuck if you were raised/conditioned to feel abject terror at the sight of someone with some melanin - you should at least be able to present a shred of fucking evidence before you can get someone dragged off a plane.
Explained it better than I did.
Gravy Boat
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So if I tell the stewardess that the eldery white woman beside me is a muslim extremist and a member of Isis, she should have to take her in for questioning? Based on one random guys baseless assumption?
Holy fuck at the better safe than sorry / I fear brown people comments on the first page.
Seriously, what the fuck.
IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO TREAT EVERY BROWN PERSON ON THE PLANET AS IF THEY ARE A MEMBER OF ISIS BY DEFAULT.
There needs to be serious consequences for people making false accusations.
Seriously, what the fuck.
IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO TREAT EVERY BROWN PERSON ON THE PLANET AS IF THEY ARE A MEMBER OF ISIS BY DEFAULT.
There needs to be serious consequences for people making false accusations.
If she's doing a math equation you'll be okay
And? The fuck should I have to care about someone's reasons for looking at me like I'm a threat? The best the asshole on this plane had to go off of was seeing three brown people and seeing words he didn't understand. That's it.
What, am I supposed to give a nice pat on the back to the next asshole who thinks I'm carrying a fucking weapon based on nothing but the colour of my skin?
"Hey, turns out you're not a terrorist. Just a brown guy with a beard. But I mean, you can't really blame me, right? It's just human nature!"
"Oh shit, you're right. Makes total sense why you would racially profile me. This certainly has no affect on me psychologically, damaging my self-worth and feeling of safety in my own skin. Nope. And I'm sure this will be the only time in my life where I would ever be forced to feel this way."
Gravy Boat
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What if she's speaking Welsh? To the untrained ear it could be confused with terrorist talk.
I'm not defending them, this is depressing me so I'm bailing out. Dude, I agree with you and everyone in here that's angered by it. I was merely pointing out that there's a stereotype that exists, and maybe that was a point that didn't need to be made. I'm sorry. I'm all for equality. I think it sucks that this is the norm, however unsurprised by it I may be.
Edit: and also, this Muslim stereotype isn't an exclusively white stereotype to whoever brought up melanin
We fucking know it exists. We get compared to it every fucking day. We have to hang our fucking head in shame every time we see it, because we know it's going to come back to hurt innocent people. You don't have to fucking tell us.
Tell the next black guy who gets cornered by cops "See, they only pointed you out because they think you're a criminal based on loose statistical evidence and negative attitudes towards African Americans ingrained over decades." See how much that helps.
Laughing Banana
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Someone wearing a hoodie approaching you at night = brown people sitting next to you on an airplane.
:/
Dress it with whatever flowery language you want, that is just flat-out racism and bigotry to your fellow men :/
I clearly need to report every old white man I see next time i'm on an international flight, using my telephone voice (perfect shade of RP, i'll have you know). They might be a paedophile, and i'm scared for all the children on the plane.
I mean, before you jump on me, think about all of those men at the BBC and all of those Catholic priests. Of course, not all old white men are paedophiles, but it's always safe to check before we're sorry, right?
I mean, before you jump on me, think about all of those men at the BBC and all of those Catholic priests. Of course, not all old white men are paedophiles, but it's always safe to check before we're sorry, right?
Not trying to be funny, but how many blacks/Asians/Latinos do you see getting Muslims kicked off planes and shit like that?
This shit all boils down to white fear. We see it with cops killing unarmed black men, claiming they feared for their lives, with white folks agreeing with Trump to build a wall to keep Mexicans out of the U.S., and other similar shit.
POC are tired of feeling the brunt of white fear, especially since by logic, we're the ones who have good reason to fear the actions of white people.
It's human nature to do a lot of stupid fucking shit. Doesn't mean that we can't call it out for what it is - stupid fucking shit - in an attempt to be better. Like, being a bigoted racist is one of those things which I can understand happens and why, but I can condemn it at the same time with no flowery language to dress it up or excuse it.
Fair enough. It was a stupid point to bring up
I was there, I flew with Muslims. A lot of them. They're super common flying Europe-Asia and common enough flying towards Canada. I was never ever worried.
Can I cast shame on you?
Why not, everyone else in here is, hahaha. I get the fucking point, gaf.
Vicetrailia
Member
Only a bigot would be okay with this.
You've got a pretty limited world view if you think only white people are capable of racism.
Laughing Banana
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Threads like this are always good to actually know the views of my fellow GAF members, especially in how they view their fellow human being. Some of it are highly disappointing, but good for future references :/
From the beginning of your post and now this, it seems like your interest in here is just to make a statement of "racism by white people is understandable, you know." :/
From the beginning of your post and now this, it seems like your interest in here is just to make a statement of "racism by white people is understandable, you know." :/
MistakenMobius
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There is a lot of story of terrorist that where kind of let it go lightly that went to kill a lot of people.
All the people with a "S" flag in France.
No company/nobody wants to be in the spotlight when they let slip the one terrorist.
PR for discrimination is easier to handle than PR for failure to stop a terrorist attack.
Good thing his post suggested nothing of the sort!
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