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Three separate road rage shootings in Dallas area this week

Ottaro

Member
MESQUITE, TEXAS - A teenager is nursing head injuries after an act of road rage ended in a shooting.

Sejah Qamoum, 17, was released from the hospital on Tuesday. Her head was grazed by bullet fragments after an unknown gunmen fired shots into the car she was driving early Monday morning.

"It was scary at first," Qamoum said as she described the shooting incident.

The teen was with her 19-year-old boyfriend and two other passengers when someone shot at them.
-http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/teens-survive-road-rage-shooting-in-mesquite/452617267

Kristina Huggins, 19, says she hopes someone with information on her boyfriend Dylan Spaid's fatal shooting steps forward.
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Sunday night, they were merging onto I-20 eastbound from Cooper Street in Arlington when her boyfriend, 19-year-old Dylan Spaid, and a driver of a dark sedan got into a brief exchange. Afterwards, Huggins says that driver tried to cut them off. The next thing she knew, she says the car pulled up next to Spaid on the driver's side and rolled down their passenger-side window.

"Then I turned around, and I heard a shot," she said. "The last thing I remember, I looked at him and we were still driving, I tried to figure out where his foot was."

Dylan Spaid had been shot in the head. His truck was still driving. Huggins, traumatized, took the wheel and eventually crashed into the NTB Tire sign near Matlock. She injured herself in the ordeal.
-http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/woman-survives-boyfriend-killed-in-road-rage-shooting/452839566

NORTH RICHLAND HILLS -- For the third time in three days on North Texas highways, road rage led to gunshots being fired from one vehicle into another. The latest happened just after 2 a.m. on eastbound IH-820 in North Richland Hills.

The victim pulled off the highway and into a Waffle House on Boulevard 26 according to Ryan Leonard, a customer at the restaurant. Leonard said the victim was looking for help after being in a road rage incident and was bleeding from gunshot wounds to his left arm. Using a keychain lanyard, Leonard told WFAA he helped make a tourniquet to stop the bleeding from the victim's arm.
-http://www.wfaa.com/news/man-shot-on-i-820-in-third-road-rage-shooting-this-week/452655727


Related study from a year ago:
Nearly 80 percent of drivers expressed significant anger, aggression or road rage behind the wheel at least once in the past year, according to a new study released today by the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety. The most alarming findings suggest that approximately eight million U.S. drivers engaged in extreme examples of road rage, including purposefully ramming another vehicle or getting out of the car to confront another driver.
-https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/07/160714091346.htm

My heart goes out to the people affected. Driving is already dangerous enough.

Another reminder that America has a gun problem. Not everyone needs to be armed everywhere they go, certainly not in situations where we feel separated from others and are often prone to anger that overwhelms rational thinking.

Edit: Wrong forum, crap. Please move.
 
Good thing that travel ban finally got approved.

*checks which forum we are in*

ohhh.... and uhh.... where's the Digital Foundry comparison between the 3 versions?
 
It won't solve the gun problem, but self driving cars would go a long way to making the roads a safer place.

You just can't trust people to drive a fucking car.
 
With self driving cars, Americans could get better shots off and de-escalate any situation

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Keinning

Member
Good thing that travel ban finally got approved.

*checks which forum we are in*

ohhh.... and uhh.... where's the Digital Foundry comparison between the 3 versions?

I find it in bad taste to joke about stuff like this so goddamn it for making me laugh
 

Robiin

Member
People feel the need to keep a gun in their car for exactly what reason? Fucking America, stupid ass country with a lot of stupid ass people.

RIP to all victims.
 

DESTROYA

Member
Another reason to never piss anyone off while driving, there are too many crazy people everywhere.
Feel bad for the victims but jeez man shooting someone for something stupid is just.......stupid.
 

spekkeh

Banned
People feel the need to keep a gun in their car for exactly what reason?
So that they can shoot back after their own head gets blown off of course. The only thing stopping a road rager with a gun is a headless decent citizen with a gun.
 

canedaddy

Member
People feel the need to keep a gun in their car for exactly what reason? Fucking America, stupid ass country with a lot of stupid ass people.

RIP to all victims.
Greatest country in the history of the world. You're welcome for the internet that's allowing you to make your dumb comments.
 

atr0cious

Member
Greatest country in the history of the world. You're welcome for the internet that's allowing you to make your dumb comments.
Hmm, yes, the internet sure makes up for the genocide of native Americans, the chattel slavery of blacks which built the nation through their own genocide and suppression, general disdain for women, and a need to destroy the poor. Thanks?
 

Spman2099

Member
Greatest country in the history of the world. You're welcome for the internet that's allowing you to make your dumb comments.

*He said while shooting his gun into the air and doing donuts in a Walmart parking lot (all the while blasting Real American on his stereo).*

Hmm, yes, the internet sure makes up for the genocide of native Americans, the chattel slavery of blacks which built the nation through their own genocide and suppression, general disdain for women, and a need to destroy the poor. Thanks?

To be fair, America does have one of the worst health care systems in the western world, falls behind pretty badly in education, and is one of the worst first world countries for income inequality... so, they got all that going for them. I mean, I am sure they have some quality that qualifies them to be the "greatest country in the history of world", it just isn't found in any of the objective measures of what makes a country great.
 
this has been par for the course i here in Chicago, except its only been shootings with a small handful of deaths.

gonna have to start selling cars with bulletproof glass
 

"There's nothing like the primal rush you get from the hunt. Just you and nature, eye-to-eye, knowing that at any moment the winds could shift and your quarry could gain the upper hand. You'll never feel more alive than when you put everything on the line and..."

"Bob, you're sitting in a 4,000 pound, air-conditioned pickup."

"Shut up."
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?

Pixeluh

Member
The people who do these things are fucked up in the head. I can't imagine how scary these situations must have been, especially for the young girl by herself.
 
Another reason to never piss anyone off while driving, there are too many crazy people everywhere.
Feel bad for the victims but jeez man shooting someone for something stupid is just.......stupid.
Doesn't matter. You can be driving along completely fine but if some asshole decides you got in their way or is simply in a bad mood then there's often nothing you can do and it's not because of anything you did. It's bad luck if you cross paths with a road rage nutter. And of course being the US there's a chance they'll shoot you.

I'm curious how many of these shootings are by legal gun owners. I've read a number that of all gun related homicides it's around 3%-!0% but the formulae for that number is open to debate. However for mass shootings and gun rampages the number is significantly higher. I've read figures of upto 75% of mass shooting suspects were legal gun owners. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-map/
This is why I'm against virtually all forms of gun ownership (here in the UK it's not a big problem but is still an issue). Who's to say some reasonable individual who buys a gun even after a background check isn't going to go "postal" after losing there job or finding out their wife has been unfaithful etc. Sure it may only be a tiny % of all gun owners but it's astounding how Americans are willing to pay the price for this "freedom".
I mean I appreciate there is always a price to pay for certain freedoms but this just strikes me as unjustifiable. But then I remember the Dunblane mass killing of 16 5yr old children and their teacher and nothing will convince me that gun ownership is okay.
 
Get used to more of it. Does it feel that in this current social climate people are becoming more chill?

And you best hope there was no collusion with the Russians, as that will create a bloodbath.
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
I suffer from terrible road rage - and I am pretty good at suppressing it when there are other folks in the car. In case you're curious about the mindset, it goes like this:

1. Poor driving almost causes accident
2. Shock of near accident at high speeds with large masses makes adrenaline flow
3. Trapped in car and fight or flight reflex become irrational feedback loop/temper explosion


I also get the same thing when cycling. And I have to try to breathe to stop myself doing something I will regret.


I'm a genuinely thoughtful driver. I ALWAYS signal lane changes and turns. i keep safe stopping distances. I don't tailgate. But to be honest, by the time I drive the 8 or so miles to my office, I feel like a sucker. Like the only goddamned person making the slightest effort to drive properly.

I would state that on a morning commute, probably something like 20% of drivers who I see making simple maneuvers (lane changes, accelerating, merging etc etc) are even halfway competent.


I have acted out a couple of times, getting into someone's face, rolling down windows to scream etc etc. I'd never actually hurt someone unless they attacked or struck me, but I do think darkly murderous thoughts when someone does something actually life threatening. And knowing that, I also know that a dumber person, or a less self-controlled person, could shoot me for the same reason I screamed at them.

I also bite my tongue when it's a truck full of rednecks or a hooptie full of gang members because I am a huge chickenshit.

99% of ALL of these reactions, however, can be instantly mollified with a friendly/apologetic wave. If someone almost kills me, but then waves apologetically, I go from 60 to zero basically instantly. So I ALWAYS wave when I do something inopportune or cut a merge close, etc.
 

Apt101

Member
Nah we don't need gun reform. We just need to make all roadways gun-only zones, so that everyone has a gun, that way these people could have gotten into gun battles rather than just being shot.
 

Ottaro

Member
Some crazy shit. We had a fatal road rage incident in PA this week as well.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/p...e-killer-of-chester-county-teen-20170630.html

Luckily there were witnesses, and hopefully they can track down the piece of shit responsible.

This is so terrible, I really hope they find him.

Having heard about these incidents throughout the week has been reminding me just how fragile and uncertain life can be. One day you can be driving home and suddenly anyone can take your life in their hands because they feel slightly inconvenienced.
 
More guns are the answer.

If only the road had a gun.


God, this country is dumb as shit. Imagine the intelligence of the average American, and then consider how easily they can acquire a gun

Fuck
 
99% of ALL of these reactions, however, can be instantly mollified with a friendly/apologetic wave. If someone almost kills me, but then waves apologetically, I go from 60 to zero basically instantly. So I ALWAYS wave when I do something inopportune or cut a merge close, etc.

I've always found the opposite to be true. A smile and a wave is like the biggest fuck you, you can give. I know because it's my default reaction to angry drivers, and it drives them wild (by design). I've been followed home a few times, some just can't let it go. It makes me wet knowing I can get that kind of rise out of morons with an otherwise kind gesture in most other situations.
 

thespot84

Member
I suffer from terrible road rage - and I am pretty good at suppressing it when there are other folks in the car. In case you're curious about the mindset, it goes like this:

1. Poor driving almost causes accident
2. Shock of near accident at high speeds with large masses makes adrenaline flow
3. Trapped in car and fight or flight reflex become irrational feedback loop/temper explosion


I also get the same thing when cycling. And I have to try to breathe to stop myself doing something I will regret.


I'm a genuinely thoughtful driver. I ALWAYS signal lane changes and turns. i keep safe stopping distances. I don't tailgate. But to be honest, by the time I drive the 8 or so miles to my office, I feel like a sucker. Like the only goddamned person making the slightest effort to drive properly.

I would state that on a morning commute, probably something like 20% of drivers who I see making simple maneuvers (lane changes, accelerating, merging etc etc) are even halfway competent.


I have acted out a couple of times, getting into someone's face, rolling down windows to scream etc etc. I'd never actually hurt someone unless they attacked or struck me, but I do think darkly murderous thoughts when someone does something actually life threatening. And knowing that, I also know that a dumber person, or a less self-controlled person, could shoot me for the same reason I screamed at them.

I also bite my tongue when it's a truck full of rednecks or a hooptie full of gang members because I am a huge chickenshit.

99% of ALL of these reactions, however, can be instantly mollified with a friendly/apologetic wave. If someone almost kills me, but then waves apologetically, I go from 60 to zero basically instantly. So I ALWAYS wave when I do something inopportune or cut a merge close, etc.

You suffer from something called fundamental attribution bias/error (we all do). Your errors on the road are mistakes, because you're human, but everyone who cuts you off is a lousy piece of shit who must have cheated on their driving exam. Luckily you seem to overcome it when someone else acknowledges a mistake, but even in the cases where someone doesn't wave, your problem is that of perspective, not reality.

It would be just as easy for you to assume that the drivers making errors are doing so at a reasonable rate, as mistakes, just like you do. Sure, in the few cases where someone is really an asshole, you'd be wrong, but you'd be getting a lot fewer false positives than you do now.

The healthiest thing for your blood pressure is to assume the drivers around us are human, plan for their mistakes, and forgive those when they eventually happen. (I'm not singling you out, everyone has this problem and could cure a good deal of stress with this change.)

I've always found the opposite to be true. A smile and a wave is like the biggest fuck you, you can give. I know because it's my default reaction to angry drivers, and it drives them wild (by design). I've been followed home a few times, some just can't let it go. It makes me wet knowing I can get that kind of rise out of morons with an otherwise kind gesture in most other situations.

There's a difference between a smile/wave and a slightly bowed head/raised hand. One is clearly a fuck you, the other a gesture of apology.
 

Fury451

Banned
Terrible. Terrible how often this can happen. Saw some belligerent ass who was at fault for a near accident get out of his car and screaming at a woman just today. He also blocked her car with his, and didn't leave until like 5 people came out yelling back.

Scary shit, people are hair trigger.
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
You suffer from something called fundamental attribution bias/error (we all do). Your errors on the road are mistakes, because you're human, but everyone who cuts you off is a lousy piece of shit who must have cheated on their driving exam. Luckily you seem to overcome it when someone else acknowledges a mistake, but even in the cases where someone doesn't wave, your problem is that of perspective, not reality.

It would be just as easy for you to assume that the drivers making errors are doing so at a reasonable rate, as mistakes, just like you do. Sure, in the few cases where someone is really an asshole, you'd be wrong, but you'd be getting a lot fewer false positives than you do now.

The healthiest thing for your blood pressure is to assume the drivers around us are human, plan for their mistakes, and forgive those when they eventually happen. (I'm not singling you out, everyone has this problem and could cure a good deal of stress with this change.)

I absolutely suffer from that as do lots of people (as you note) and it colors my experience, but for the purposes of this thread I'm only talking about binary issues - deliberately tailgating, racing, texting etc. if I included 5mph too slow, left lane campers, riding my ass (as opposed to dangerous car length 70mph tailgating) etc, id be claiming about 80% of drivers are incompetent or seriously dangerous.

I live in WA state but learned to drive in the UK. The difference in the difficulty of the relative driving tests is a gulf. And it's often reflected in apparent competence.
 
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