The difference is that dota bots are literally part of the environment to be manipulated by actually player characters and they have absolutely no actually agency outside of what other bot they are aggro'd against in the lane. I mean, unless the bots in titanfall are actually just civilians then they will be gunning down player characters at annoying intervals based on a rng.
Titanfall has maximum player count of 12 (alongside AI) [Respawn comments post #558]
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The difference is that dota bots are literally part of the environment to be manipulated by actually player characters and they have absolutely no actually agency outside of what other bot they are aggro'd against in the lane. I mean, unless the bots in titanfall are actually just civilians then they will be gunning down player characters at annoying intervals based on a rng.
Agent_ShortBus
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Well shit, I was hoping it would be 32 v 32 on PC with a limited amount of titans that could be on a map at the same time 
. Guess I'll pick it up during a holiday sale if at all.
. Guess I'll pick it up during a holiday sale if at all.Well you now have the option to not buy the (probably very well and tightly designed) game. If you do, boy I hope you don't use voice chat, that's going to be a painful experience.
We're too busy complaining about why Titanfall isn't like other games.
Comfort Jones
Banned
I actually like smaller player counts. High player counts always equals more stupid shit going on. Always. 12 v12 on Dust 2 for instance is always slower, always has less coordination because deaths take a while to really matter, etc.
TF2 is another great example, 12 v 12 makes scout totally pointless on a shit ton of maps and encourages really lame chokepoint heavy bullshit. I can't think of a single shooter where high player count helped, and I've played pretty much every major shooter.
TF2 is another great example, 12 v 12 makes scout totally pointless on a shit ton of maps and encourages really lame chokepoint heavy bullshit. I can't think of a single shooter where high player count helped, and I've played pretty much every major shooter.
Marauder Shields
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If the devs feel that 6 vs 6 brings the best balance, then I'm fine with it. Now just give me dat Beta.
Chobel
Member
Quoting Respawn guy for visibility.
Yeah, like people comparing a game the size of Titanfall to CS!
The simple fact is some people like bigger player counts and should not be attacked for it!
IAmRandom31
Banned
Yeah I did jump to post too quickly on that first one.
I guess seeing 6 players on a team just felt too much like a technology restraint moreso then an actual gameplay choice. Mainly because of the type of multiplayer experiences I am drawn to. I have been a part of the " play only in clans, practice together, get organized, play like a real f'in war and kick ass " group since the jump ( first played Unreal Tournament back in the day ). Be it 32 players, 24 players, 64 players, 256 players, or planetsides 2000 players. If you run with a group of organized players, the experience is beyond enjoyable, damn near lifelike. Watching the guy in front's back, watching your flanks, calling out targets and positions, setting up organized manuevers, etc. The amount of teamwork required seems diminished when you only have 5 other people to worry about and then AI running around doing whatever they feel like.
But yeah, this sounds far too different then most other stuff to draw any conclusions on, so when the PC version hits will def. try it out if there are enough positive reactions and possibly a demo to draw some sort of conclusion on before purchasing. Planetside 2 pretty much fulfills my " sci-fi with mechs and jetpacks and crazy action all over the place at all times " gameplay need when I so desire it.
But kudos to Respawn for attempting to make something different. Just like the L4D team making the 4 players vs. hunter game that is being shown in Game Informer. More power to diversity indeed.
I guess seeing 6 players on a team just felt too much like a technology restraint moreso then an actual gameplay choice. Mainly because of the type of multiplayer experiences I am drawn to. I have been a part of the " play only in clans, practice together, get organized, play like a real f'in war and kick ass " group since the jump ( first played Unreal Tournament back in the day ). Be it 32 players, 24 players, 64 players, 256 players, or planetsides 2000 players. If you run with a group of organized players, the experience is beyond enjoyable, damn near lifelike. Watching the guy in front's back, watching your flanks, calling out targets and positions, setting up organized manuevers, etc. The amount of teamwork required seems diminished when you only have 5 other people to worry about and then AI running around doing whatever they feel like.
But yeah, this sounds far too different then most other stuff to draw any conclusions on, so when the PC version hits will def. try it out if there are enough positive reactions and possibly a demo to draw some sort of conclusion on before purchasing. Planetside 2 pretty much fulfills my " sci-fi with mechs and jetpacks and crazy action all over the place at all times " gameplay need when I so desire it.
But kudos to Respawn for attempting to make something different. Just like the L4D team making the 4 players vs. hunter game that is being shown in Game Informer. More power to diversity indeed.
The tweet from the OP clearly quotes Zampella as saying that 6 v 6 is the MAX player count, so no, there are no other modes with more than 6 v 6.
Thats incorrect. We opened our doors in May of 2010. This will be almost 4 years from start to finish.
oconnomiyaki
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Man, that's classy. hattip.gif
Chubzdoomer
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I put it in quotes because I can. I might not be able to argue fun, but I most certainly can argue that most people prefer having as many players in a server as possible, which indicates that the vast majority of people find that more players = more fun.
Then you should know that despite 6v6 being available, most Counter-Strike players prefer 24-32 player servers. The reason for Counter-Strike being so popular absolutely is not because of a small player count like you indicated in your previous post. Even way back in the day in 1.6, the majority of servers had far more than 12 players.
It could be really something different and special. That's what they are aiming for. Many people, myself included, might end up liking it. I really hope there is a demo. But I fundamentally do not like small playercounts in online shooters. It's not a MOBA. It's not an RTS. It's an online shooter.
I wouldn't call 6v6 a risky affair for Respawn but I'm curious to see how that works out with the AI.
In the Nvidia thread you posted that PC would use the same matchmaking and backend as PC. Is Respawn willing to comment on PC player counts?
Yep.
Now that sounds fun.
Pfft he made the game, what does he know?!
So people with heart issues cant play Titanfall.
GotchaForce
Member
Kinda feel like we should know more, or maybe I've missed out on some info. The game is 3 months away, they want it to be a huge deal but I still don't know:
- what the AI does. They mention AI outside of your remote mech. Is this part of the story segments that happen in each map? Can the AI affect the battle in any way?
- what classes, skill, perks, weapons ect are.
- what's the prerequisite of calling a Titan down?
- what the AI does. They mention AI outside of your remote mech. Is this part of the story segments that happen in each map? Can the AI affect the battle in any way?
- what classes, skill, perks, weapons ect are.
- what's the prerequisite of calling a Titan down?
Just for reference, that's Drew McCoy, the Producer of Titanfall, and former Infinity Ward employee (no real surprise there).
6 vs 6 doesn't mean it's automatically good or bad, but I'll admit a huge preference for larger sized multiplayer games. Battlefield is where it's at for me.
On the other hand I thought Killzone SF devolved into a clusterfuck a lot of the time. Classic mode which reduced the player count tended to be much better.
We'll just have to wait and see, this isn't enough info for anyone to form any conclusions at all.
On the other hand I thought Killzone SF devolved into a clusterfuck a lot of the time. Classic mode which reduced the player count tended to be much better.
We'll just have to wait and see, this isn't enough info for anyone to form any conclusions at all.
I wish there was a mode with more players and less bots. The game could potentially be quite frustrating if you're not playing with a group of friends. Smaller teams increases the chances of coming up against a team comprised exclusively of players who all play together regularly. A group of randoms going up against a group that plays together all the time are gonna get rolled. Small team sizes is arguably when games like counterstrike and tf2 are at their best and most rewarding, it doesn't mean that the chaotic imbalanced mess that is the much larger games isn't necessary.
Chobel
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You're right, it's online multiplayer only game. There's no difference.
Garrett 2U
Member
Great post, thanks man. Sounds like a lot of fun
There are tons of people here looking forward to playing the game, don't mind the trolls.
Have you played the game yet?
Mass Effect
Member
This... is slightly disappointing news. Personally, I can't see why they can't have different modes with higher player counts. Halo, CoD, Battlefield, Counter-Strike, all do it.
Still though, if it works for the game I suppose it isn't a deal-breaker.
"Don't give us money! We don't care!"
Still though, if it works for the game I suppose it isn't a deal-breaker.
"Don't give us money! We don't care!"
Unless we specify something to a platform when we mention it, we're talking about Titanfall, not Titanfall: Xbox One Edition or Titanfall: PC Version. Would be silly to design a game for one thing then do something different on a separate platform, no?
Don't read them, for god's sake don't read them!! Unless you want to have to surgically remove your palm from your skull.
Yes, some people in this thread are more than likely allowed to vote for governments that dictate how we ALL live. Scary world.
Portugeezer
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Guess I'll have to buy it now. Nice reverse psychology.
It's not unheard of.
Thanks for showing that, I would have missed it otherwise.
Depends on whether or not you view all three platforms as having the same strengths. I would tend to disagree, and the design of other games would as well. But more power to you for answering fans and defending your design decisions. That I can get behind.
Get out! No way!
Hey look I can be snarky and uppity and insulting too. Quit it.
Hey, did you know that CS was designed around a much smaller player count? Did you know that CoDs were designed around 12-18 players? If you don't like smaller games, don't poop on it because some of us do okay? Buy something else.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Player controlled AI is pretty much my favorite feature in a multiplayer game. Really interested to see what direction that goes in.
Kinda why i said potentially.
Theres a ton we don't know yet, thats why we have to take it slow and not jump to conclusions.
When we see the game running in its near final form, we should get a good grasp on what Respawn means when they say theres a lot going on.
Bedameister
Member
That sounds good.
I'm a little surprised, thought it would be more. But if the balancing is ok then why not
There will probably be a massive marketing push starting in February. AAA games publishers have this down to a science by now.
You call a Titan down after a set period of time, you can decrease this time by increasing your score via kills, captures, etc.
Why is everyone bitching about this? Most of the time when a FPS allows a bunch of players into one match, it turns out to not be fun and you're just getting killed right when you spawn most of the time
The 12 player limit here works and I totally respect Respawn's decision to make 12 players the limit
The 12 player limit here works and I totally respect Respawn's decision to make 12 players the limit
Doesn't bother me none. I just honestly want the most amount of people to keep their minds open and give it a try.
Nice!
Hey HariKari...how about reassessing your comment.
Looks like a max minimum possible number of 36 when it comes to player count. That's if there are only 12 AI, 12 players, and 12 Titans.
He says dozens of AI...so maybe more.
You started your post with "I wish there was a mode with more players and less bots."
You wouldn't know if you actually want that until you play the game.
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Damn reading post #558 is getting me so hyped. Can't wait.
Speedy Blue Dude
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Hahahaha.
Sorry but that made me laugh. Either way, I appreciate your input and I can't wait to play Titan Fall in 2 months! 