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I hope this is just a case of you not understanding the question, because otherwise, that's a pretty fucking frightening mentality. Bush could do absolutely anything and you'd still support him. Why does this mentality seem to be far more prevalent among conservatives?Meier said:
I weep for this country.
CrimsonSkies
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I think he's honest. If I ever felt that he wasn't then I wouldn't support him. He's made mistakes and done a lot of good too. He's human. He's not the most articulate speaker, but I'd love to see everyone that ridicules him for it on the Internet do what he does on a national stage. That would be hilarious to see the Deer in Headlights look, the sweating, and the nervous shaking when you realize that millions of people are watching your every move live.
I guess I'd simply ask why anyone would vote for Kerry in 2004? At what point would you not support him for President?
I guess I'd simply ask why anyone would vote for Kerry in 2004? At what point would you not support him for President?
Meier said:
would you explain what exactly you support about his morals?
Would it be the same morals that used tactics to imply that John McCain has fathered a black child when he had adopted a child from Africa?
Would it be the same morals that prompted him to imply that McCain had been brainwashed while he was a POW?
and now he talks about Kerry doing whatever he could to get elected.. Bush sold what was left of his soul in South Carolina 4 years ago.
seismologist
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I agree with Bush on just about every issue (besides abortion), the problem is
I think he's damaged his credibility to the point where he can no longer be an effective. I think we can make more progress right now by electing Kerry.
I think he's damaged his credibility to the point where he can no longer be an effective. I think we can make more progress right now by electing Kerry.
At the point that he displays a potential for more dishonesty and corruption than the Bush administration. So far I don't see anything close to that. It saddens me that this is the major deciding factor with me on who to vote for, but it is. At least it makes it easy.
And quite frankly I find the notion that Bush's level of "honesty" is a virtue of his to be hilarious. But hey, that's just me.
Meier said:
actually, if john kerry were to say he'd pull all troops out of iraq beginning on jan 22nd, he'd lose my vote in an instant.
if john kerry were to say he'd continue to lower taxes, my vote would be gone.
if john kerry were to say stem cell research is fine where it's at right now, he'd lose my vote.
i'm not "hardcore" by any stretch of the imagniation. i'm not even a democrat; in fact a registered R E P U B L I C A N. however, i don't let the party affiliation cloud my judgement concerning the facts.
This thread is useless. Bush supporters have no reason for supporting him other than he is a republican. That is the bottom line. They just don't want a democrat in office so they will make up insane excuses "I support him because he's honest". That has got to be the most fucked up thing i've seen.
Is he honest when he takes us to war for one reason then switches because the first was not true? Is he honest when he spews out "September 11" x amount of time at the RNC? Is he honest when he says our economy is growing and we have "turned the corner? Is he honest when he says no child left behind has been successful? Is he honest when he says healthcare for everyone (especially seniors) is fine and dandy. The list goes on and on.
Bush supporters will never admit that he and his administration are liars and they will never look at what has happened over the last 4 years and make their decision after they weight the facts. The first day Bush was in office their mind was made up. "4 more years"!
Is he honest when he takes us to war for one reason then switches because the first was not true? Is he honest when he spews out "September 11" x amount of time at the RNC? Is he honest when he says our economy is growing and we have "turned the corner? Is he honest when he says no child left behind has been successful? Is he honest when he says healthcare for everyone (especially seniors) is fine and dandy. The list goes on and on.
Bush supporters will never admit that he and his administration are liars and they will never look at what has happened over the last 4 years and make their decision after they weight the facts. The first day Bush was in office their mind was made up. "4 more years"!
Meier said:
Which morals? The ones that direct him to paint discrimination against homosexuals into the Constitution, or the ones that made him flat out lie to the world in his justification for a war of choice? Perhaps his woefully misinformed, and almost dangerously naive view on stem cell research? Or how about his inability to simply admit a mistake? (Although I suppose that goes more into character...)
Error Macro
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You don't have to be a Christian to have morals. They are a seperate entity.
Anyway, when would I stop supporting Bush? I suppose if I found out that Vicente Fox and he had made some deals to let all these illegals across the border. Which seriously, I have to wonder, since he will not do anything about them.
Anyway, when would I stop supporting Bush? I suppose if I found out that Vicente Fox and he had made some deals to let all these illegals across the border. Which seriously, I have to wonder, since he will not do anything about them.
Error Macro
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deadlifter said:
That is pretty damn stupid, considering someone could say exactly the same thing about a typical liberal. How about all those Dean supporters that are voting for Kerry because they just want a Democrat in the White House?
What a waste of a thread. Are there not enough Bush bashing threads?
I'll start a thread asking why people like Bush and what he would have to do to lose their support and then rip everything they say. Sounds like fun.
He would have to promise to raise taxes, have a history of being weak on military, have no core beliefs and have a trial lawyer as his VP for me to not vote for him.
Good enough?
I'll start a thread asking why people like Bush and what he would have to do to lose their support and then rip everything they say. Sounds like fun.
He would have to promise to raise taxes, have a history of being weak on military, have no core beliefs and have a trial lawyer as his VP for me to not vote for him.
Good enough?
kitchenmotors
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Meier said:
Wow, I didn't see that coming. I pegged you as more of a Kerry kind of guy. Didn't think you would be conservative.
We've all made out minds up about Bush. The difference between the Bush loathers and the Bush lovers is that the loathers can spend all day justifying their opinion, while Bush supporters find every excuse to avoid it, and instead spew out the usual "I agree with him and that's that". Threads like these exist because it is so rare for a Bush supporter to give some sort of justification for--to expalin a rationality behind--their support for Bush.Combine said:
So please, tell that to all the Christians who give their unconditional support to Bush simply because he claims to be doing God's work in the White House.
Error Macro
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demon said:
Hey, there are nuts in every faction.
I believe that Bush's philosophy of cutting taxes is best for the economy and he is much more pro business than Kerry.
I believe that Bush's policy on fighting Muslim extremists is the right way of approaching the problem. A peaceful democratic Iraq will be the beginning of a less hateful middle east and I believe Bush is more committed to this goal then is Kerry.
I believe Bush's plans to fix social security is far superior to Kerry's. The rate of return currently is pathetic.
I believe Bush is the only candidate that is serious about tort reform.
I believe Bush's nominations to the Supreme Court won't try and legislate from the bench.
I believe Bush is a man that stands up for what he believes as opposed to Kerry.
If you truly want to know the answers then there they are. Don't waste your time trying to counter my points because you won't change my mind.
videogamer
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Meier said:
Uh what did they (except 1) have to do with foreign policy?
Error Macro said:
Thanks for addressing my entire post. There are people on the democratic side just as bad as the republicans BUT has John Kerry been in the white house for four years screwing shit up? This is the reason why people will back whomever the democratic candidate may be, because they are the only one that can dethrone Bush. If Nader was neck in neck with both of them i would seriously consider him.
I believe that Bush's philosophy of cutting taxes is best for the economy and he is much more pro business than Kerry.
Which is why employment rates and the economy are in the shitter.
I believe that Bush's policy on fighting Muslim extremists is the right way of approaching the problem. A peaceful democratic Iraq will be the beginning of a less hateful middle east and I believe Bush is more committed to this goal then is Kerry.
Hey, that's funny, I thought things were worse in the Middle East than usual these days.
I believe Bush's plans to fix social security is far superior to Kerry's. The rate of return currently is pathetic.
See you in 50 years when you curse the government that you can't collect on it.
I believe Bush is the only candidate that is serious about tort reform.
Just because Edwards is a lawyer doesn't mean he's for frivolous lawsuits.
I believe Bush's nominations to the Supreme Court won't try and legislate from the bench.
Yeah, they'll just sit back and watch as the all Republican Government passes everything, without that vital check of power.
I believe Bush is a man that stands up for what he believes as opposed to Kerry.
And god bless him, for believing that Poland is one of our biggest allies, and that homosexuals should be denied rights.
Which is why employment rates and the economy are in the shitter.
I believe that Bush's policy on fighting Muslim extremists is the right way of approaching the problem. A peaceful democratic Iraq will be the beginning of a less hateful middle east and I believe Bush is more committed to this goal then is Kerry.
Hey, that's funny, I thought things were worse in the Middle East than usual these days.
I believe Bush's plans to fix social security is far superior to Kerry's. The rate of return currently is pathetic.
See you in 50 years when you curse the government that you can't collect on it.
I believe Bush is the only candidate that is serious about tort reform.
Just because Edwards is a lawyer doesn't mean he's for frivolous lawsuits.
I believe Bush's nominations to the Supreme Court won't try and legislate from the bench.
Yeah, they'll just sit back and watch as the all Republican Government passes everything, without that vital check of power.
I believe Bush is a man that stands up for what he believes as opposed to Kerry.
And god bless him, for believing that Poland is one of our biggest allies, and that homosexuals should be denied rights.
LOL!! I like how you equate Iraq with with muslim extremists. I'm sure that there were a few extremists around before the war, but the fact of the matter is Bush himself has turned Iraq into a hot bed of islamic extremism. Young Iraqis who were just trying to survive and live normally before the war, are now joining terrorist groups because they feel like it's the only way to fight against INVADERS who OCCUPIED their country. And don't give me that "oh it's better to fight them over there then here at home" crap, because regardless of the situation over there sleeper cells always have and always will be embedded in the U.S.
videogamer
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Lathentar said:
Then it wasn't a very well written one.
I don't know why I'm responding to this but here goes.
And in 10 years when Iraqi officials who were voted in by the Iraqi people are running the county you think these young Iraqis will still be joining terrorist groups to fight the OCCUPIERS?
Try looking beyond 1 or 2 years.
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Is this all you got?
Why do you think the military supports Bush almost 4 to 1? Let me answer my own question, because they share my views. If the new rule in this country is that you have to be in the military to have an opinion then most of us should shut up now. Following that lead, if you are not an economist then you can't have an opinion about the economy and if you are not in the medical industry then you can't have an opinion on our healthcare situation. What you're saying is ridiculous.
And in 10 years when Iraqi officials who were voted in by the Iraqi people are running the county you think these young Iraqis will still be joining terrorist groups to fight the OCCUPIERS?
Try looking beyond 1 or 2 years.
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Is this all you got?
Why do you think the military supports Bush almost 4 to 1? Let me answer my own question, because they share my views. If the new rule in this country is that you have to be in the military to have an opinion then most of us should shut up now. Following that lead, if you are not an economist then you can't have an opinion about the economy and if you are not in the medical industry then you can't have an opinion on our healthcare situation. What you're saying is ridiculous.
No they can't and thats 100% truth. They refuse to take responsibilty for anything and blindly support your leader no matter the cost. If morals are such a big deal to you guys then why do you support a man who:
Is for capital punishment (death sentence) Isn't that directly against christian core beliefs??? Doesn't that clash his his abortion belifs that every life is precious? This is a man who had a born again christian woman put to death in texas even though she had the support of churches, and thousands christian supporters writing bush to save her life and what did he do? He ignored them..like he ignored his army generals..like he ignored advice from the UN...like he ignored advice from his own secretary of state..and his justifcation is his unwaivering resolve...
This is a man who took us to war under false pretenses. There was direct evidence that there were no wmd but the bush administration pressed on trying to find anything to prove otherwise. The president puts all responsibilty on bad intelligence...which he directly propelled even knowing the intelligence was very weak.
This is a man who still to this day implies saddam had something to do with 9/11..he even made that implication at the first debate and then he got severly owned because of that.
He is a man who supports taking away some of our unalienable rights to further justify his cause. This is also the same man who denies the patriot act has any negative effect on our rights as so he said in the second debate.
He implied many negetive and false things about John McCain in 2000 and directly had the republican party stand against him.
Sent our troops into war with the proper armor and weapons?
Had no plan for what to do after saddam was out of power.
Continues to use his faith in all of our names.
Has told the UN to fuck off
I could go on and on if I really wanted to, but I'm not gonna bother...why should I? I'm making valid points that you people are too blind to see or just too ignorant to understand.
You underestimate the power of these extremists. And when I say power I mean the mentality that the terrorists instill into the youth. It's very, very diffilcult to undo, especially when the county's poor economic and social climate give the extremists the fuel they need to keep the hate machine running. What you speak of is a very idealistic view. Sure, it would be great if that indeed happened but the reality is democracy is virtually unheard of in the region. Can the Iraqi public really be so patient for things to develop when you have extremists sabotaging progress and constantly feeding the hate? I would be surprised if the new Iraq didn't evetually slip into a civil war...
Cooter said:
I think the military supports Bush 4 to 1 because if they didn't support him there would be no war in Iraq. If they can't believe in the leader of their country, how the hell could they fight for him? We are starting to stories of defiance now, though. This will probably escalate as time goes on, since more people in the military are starting to ask "why".
I think you should join the military because you obviously believe in George W. Bush so much you would die for him. At least that's how you come off. It's not about having an opinion, it's your accepting of everything he says/does (besides stem cell research, i think you conceded this in another thread) and defending ANY factual attack against him with some kind of spin.
The fact that it is unheard of doesn't mean the people are not starving for it. I agree it is idealistic a bit but my belief is that freedom will spread and cannot be contained once the people get a taste of it.
Also, don't underestimate what having an entire generation of Iraqi children growing up with freedom will do to a culture.
Here is a question for many at this forum. What if in 10-15 years Iraq is a fully functional democracy and the technological marvel of the Middle East? What will be your opinion of President Bush? Many people despised Reagan in the 80s but there is no doubt that he freed many in Europe.
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