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What I consider to be True Next-Gen for Xbox 360 are games that go above and beyond anything that we've seen on current-gen platforms and high-end PC's and really show that "WOW" factor that makes even the haters sit up and take notice (or ignore the game altogether with nothing negative to say). In other words, games that look mind-blowing. Here's the list so far, imo (and these are games that are not too far off):

True Next-Gen™ Xbox 360 Games (so far):

-Project Gotham 3
-NBA 2K6
-Gears of War
-Fight Night 3
-Perfect Dark Zero
-Kameo
-Oblivion

DOA4, RR6, and a few others don't quite have the wow factor (yet?) to be on that list. Alot of other games look nice (Madden, NBA Live, COD2 etc.) but not mindblowing. Agree or disagree?

 

[pcostabel]

True Next-Gen™ Xbox 360 Games (so far):

 

[StephaneC]

True Next-Gen™ Xbox 360 Games (so far):

- Project Gotham 3
- Gears of War
- Kameo
- Oblivion

 

[PhatSaqs]

I doubt there will be ANY current gen games that'll be able to compare to the worst looking X360 games when run side by side. Using screenshots to compare games is obsolete.

 

[sonycowboy]

What I consider to be True Next-Gen for Xbox 360 are games that go above and beyond anything that we've seen on current-gen platforms and high-end PC's and really show that "WOW" factor that makes even the haters sit up and take notice (or ignore the game altogether with nothing negative to say). In other words, games that look mind-blowing. Here's the list so far, imo (and these are games that are not too far off):

True Next-Gen™ Xbox 360 Games (so far):

-Project Gotham 3
-NBA 2K6
-Gears of War
-Fight Night 3
-Perfect Dark Zero
-Kameo

Oblivion, DOA4, RR6, and a few others don't quite have the wow factor (yet?) to be on that list. Alot of other games look nice (Madden, NBA Live, COD2 etc.) but not mindblowing. Agree or disagree?

If you're asking about it from a graphical standpoint, I'd say you could remove PDZ and perhaps Kameo. However, there will be thousands of games next gen that will look worse than all those listed. Just like we had PS2/XBox/GCN games that didn't measure up.

 

[Borys]

No game that will be playable at the same time on PCs should be called "Next-Gen(TM)" so no Oblivion, Quake 4 and Call of Duty 2.

Next-Gen should be beyond PCs.

That's why open_mouth_'s list is mostly correct.
While PD:0 doesn't looks so hot today, we can't say anything for sure due to the lack of a proper direct-feed movie.

 

[GitarooMan]

I doubt there will be ANY current gen games that'll be able to compare to the worst looking X360 games when run side by side. Using screenshots to compare games is obsolete.

Absolutely true

 

[DCharlie]

"If you're asking about it from a graphical standpoint, I'd say you could remove PDZ and perhaps Kameo."

... Kameo?!??

... what?

"Next-Gen should be beyond PCs."

Is MGS4 beyond PCs? I'm sure a PC equiped with a 7800 would be able to produce better results, so... nothing is next gen?

 

[sonycowboy]

I doubt there will be ANY current gen games that'll be able to compare to the worst looking X360 games when run side by side. Using screenshots to compare games is obsolete.

But has slightly better graphics than current gen ever been the measuring stick. PS2 was far beyond PSOne / N64 visuals and those were far beyond SNES. I certainly believe that the 360 is capable of being in the same range as the PS3, but only 3 titles to me scream, we are the generational jump you expect (so far)

PGR 3, Gears of War, NBA 2k6.

Splinter Cell will most likely be there along with many others. The biggest issue has been the late delivery of beta kits and the media that we've been able to see so far based on final kits.

 

[TTP]

Disagree. No Xbox 360 game looks "True Next-Gen™" at the moment a part from Gears of Wars. Really, your expectations seem really low to me. From early games I expected this kind of jump:

From this (Tekken 3 - Psone)

to this (TTT - PS2)

What I'm seeing now is basically the same stuff an Xbox can produce now at a higher resolution and with some normal mapping thrown into the mix (not that Riddick didnt have any).

 

[McFly]

I doubt there will be ANY current gen games that'll be able to compare to the worst looking X360 games when run side by side. Using screenshots to compare games is obsolete.

Oh, I'm sure there will be one, Gun most likely. :lol

Fredi

 

[Striek]

Ones I've seen?

Kameo (Edit; thats only some of parts of Kameo, some are really ugly, but there are just those beautiful WOW parts as well)
PGR3
NBA2K6
Gears of War


In all serious, these are the only games where I go AWESOME. Some of the others look good, some look bleh. Its hard to say because next-gen is all about intricate details lost in vids, and animation lost in screenshots.

In before XFans start ragging peoples opinions and dismissing thread as a troll-fest

 

[sonycowboy]

... Kameo?!??

... what?

"Next-Gen should be beyond PCs."

Is MGS4 beyond PCs? I'm sure a PC equiped with a 7800 would be able to produce better results, so... nothing is next gen?

I'd say the 7800 / ATI 1000 series are next gen essentially, and I don't dock for being available on PC's. Compare the games to the previous generation of consoles. (XBox, PS2, GCN).

Kameo looks great, but it's a converted Xbox / GCN game and other than the 100's of trolls on screen ( ), who seem to raise their hands together in unity, it's not far beyond current gen. I don't doubt it can't be done on current gen, but it's not a generational leap.

 

[open_mouth_]

I doubt there will be ANY current gen games that'll be able to compare to the worst looking X360 games when run side by side. Using screenshots to compare games is obsolete.

no, what I'm trying to list is the games that stand head and shoulders above the pack. Some games clearly do and make people go "WOW" and others stand tall, but not quite head and shoulders above the rest. Know what I mean?

 

[trmas]

Kameo and PGR3.

 

[Borys]

"Next-Gen should be beyond PCs."

Is MGS4 beyond PCs? I'm sure a PC equiped with a 7800 would be able to produce better results, so... nothing is next gen?

It's beyond Splinter Cell 3, Doom 3, HL2 and FEAR. That's next-gen in my hard-core PC gamer book.

It's not beyond nVidia's Nalu tech-demo but come on... one mermaid vs whole scene?

BTW thanks for bringing MGS4 in yet another 360 topic!

 

[Dr_Cogent]

Is MGS4 beyond PCs? I'm sure a PC equiped with a 7800 would be able to produce better results, so... nothing is next gen?

You really think so? I dunno about that.

Isn't what is going into the PS3 even more advanced than the 7800?

 

[StRaNgE]

True Next-Gen™ Xbox 360 Games (so far):

- Project Gotham 3
- Gears of War
- Kameo
- Oblivion

seems more fitting. i second this list.

 

[SolidSnakex]

You really think so? I dunno about that.

Isn't what is going into the PS3 even more advanced than the 7800?

DCharlie has just become obsessed with MGS4 as of late.

 

[Trustus Jones]

If you're asking about it from a graphical standpoint, I'd say you could remove PDZ and perhaps Kameo.

When was the last time you saw Kameo, E3? The latest build from X05 looks unbeliveable especially the opening section on blims latest vid with 5000 trolls battling in outside the castle gates. Plus big strides have been made on the lighting and texturing aswell. For me this is right up there with PGR3 for next Gen graphics.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

DCharlie has just become obsessed with MGS4 as of late.

I just don't see current exist PC technology outdoing a console set to be released next year. That's usually not how things go.

 

[gofreak]

You really think so? I dunno about that.

Isn't what is going into the PS3 even more advanced than the 7800?

Yes, but what was shown for MGS4 was running off a G70 most likely. But the question of whether a PC could do what MGS4 was doing depends on how much they're using Cell sofar.

Regardless of whether "it's beyond PCs", no PC games are close to it IMO, and no PC games are going to be using something like a G70 as a baseline minimum to build around either for quite some time.

 

[sonycowboy]

When was the last time you saw Kameo, E3? The latest build from X05 looks unbeliveable especially the opening section on blims latest vid with 5000 trolls battling in outside the castle gates. Plus big strides have been made on the lighting and texturing aswell. For me this is right up there with PGR3 for next Gen graphics.

See my next post.

Just because something can't be done on current systems (even barely) doesn't make it "True Next-Gen™" in my book. But, everybody has their own book and that's cool.

Next Gen should be a big leap, not a couple of steps. Many PS3 / Xbox 360 games won't qualify, just as many PS2 games didn't qualify this generation.

 

[PhatSaqs]

Oh, I'm sure there will be one, Gun most likely. :lol

Fredi

:lol probably right

But has slightly better graphics than current gen ever been the measuring stick. PS2 was far beyond PSOne / N64 visuals and those were far beyond SNES. I certainly believe that the 360 is capable of being in the same range as the PS3, but only 3 titles to me scream, we are the generational jump you expect (so far)

The fact that you even mention the PS3 speaks volumes when we havent seen any playable PS3 games yet. The closest thing we've seen is probably Warhawk, Fifth Phantom, and I-8 neither of which look above and beyond current gen stuff.

no, what I'm trying to list is the games that stand head and shoulders above the pack. Some games clearly do and make people go "WOW" and others stand tall, but not quite head and shoulders above the rest. Know what I mean?

I get it somewhat but I still believe what I said to be true .

 

[urk]

Disagree. No Xbox 360 game looks "True Next-Gen™" at the moment a part from Gears of Wars. Really, your expectations seem really low to me. From early games I expected this kind of jump:

From this (Tekken 3 - Psone)

to this (TTT - PS2)

I could do the same for just about any fanchise game from Xbox to 360. You either aren't paying attention, or you're toting a hefty bias around.

 

[SolidSnakex]

I could do the same for just about any fanchise game from Xbox to 360. You either aren't paying attention, or you're toting a hefty bias around.

He was at X05 though wasn't he? In the official thread he was giving impressions of games.

 

[Doc Savage]

Yeah Perfect Dark Zero and Kameo look great from a technical standpoint although there are some who don't like the art direction but they were rooted in the previous gen and it shows. When you compare that to Gears of War, Project Gotham, Fight Night and NBA2k3 it is pretty clear what has been built from the ground up on the new hardware. After seeing Conker on the XBox and what Rare have done on the 360 so far I would imagine their next batch of games to just be jaw dropping.

Don't get me wrong I think Kameo and PDZ are great looking and look better than any Xbox came ever could but they don't have the overall leap some were expecting. For me as long as they look better than anything I currently have which they will and they play good I will be happy. PDZ multiplayer should be awesome, just watching the vids brings me back to the Goldeneye marathon sessions me and my friends had so long ago.

 

[Deg]

GOW is the best on xbox. But thats PC too. I think pc's are going to do well.

 

[sonycowboy]

The fact that you even mention the PS3 speaks volumes when we havent seen any playable PS3 games yet. The closest thing we've seen is probably Warhawk and Fifth Phantom neither of which look above and beyond current gen stuff.

Warhawk looks anywhere close to current gen to you?? And, nice attempt to hide behind the "PS3's not playable" excuse. And then conveniently pick what you percieve the weakest of the PS3 games and then consider those to be representative of what the PS3 can do.

In any case, the same comment can be made regarding the PS3. I'll definitely agree that what we've seen on Fifth Phatom is lower than the graphical target that next gen games can be aiming for.

 

[urk]

He was at X05 though wasn't he? In the official thread he was giving impressions of games.

I don't care where he was. He'd have to be on the moon to say that the leap from PGR2 to PGR3 could have been done on the Xbox with some HD and mapping polish.

 

[sonycowboy]

I could do the same for just about any fanchise game from Xbox to 360. You either aren't paying attention, or you're toting a hefty bias around.

No you can't. What other franchise besides PGR and NBA 2k do you see that from?

Ghost Recon is not that kind of leap.
Madden 2006 is not that kind of leap
NHL 2k6 XBox is not that kind of leap.
Ridge Racer is not that kind of leap.
Tony Hawk AW is not that kind of leap.
Quake is not that kind of leap. (Assuming Doom 3 -> Quake 4, not Quake 3 )


You picked the absolute best looking XBox 360 game and claim that that same jump is representative is absolutely wrong.

 

[jet1911]

GOW is the best on xbox. But thats PC too. I think pc's are going to do well.

GoW on PC? Keep dreaming.

 

[Solid]

GoW on PC? Keep dreaming.

http://pc.ign.com/objects/670/670283.html

 

[SolidSnakex]

I don't care where he was. He'd have to be on the moon to say that the leap from PGR2 to PGR3 could have been done on the Xbox with some HD and mapping polish.

He pointed out that it has alot of flaws graphically (aliasing, texture pop in ect). If thats the case then it'd hurt it alot.

 

[General Zhaoyun]

There's to many shooter games. I would like to see maybe a Jap RPG? Obviously the most popular titles will be shooters because they are the most predominant. Or how about something completely original.

Like the Sims 2 :lol :lol

 

[PhatSaqs]

Warhawk looks anywhere close to current gen to you?? And, nice attempt to hide behind the "PS3's not playable" excuse. And then conveniently pick what you percieve the weakest of the PS3 games and then consider those to be representative of what the PS3 can do.

I chose those because those are the only games that werent preseneted in a "trailer" format that I can remember. That is, they looked like they were being played and not "shown". When PS3 games are shown and are playable then we can talk.

I really cant wait and I know you cant

Madden 2006 is not that kind of a leap

Wha?

Cherry picking goes both ways...

 

[Speevy]

This thread is the PS3 version of my launch lineup thread.

 

[jet1911]

http://pc.ign.com/objects/670/670283.html

Hooo didn't see that. But I thought that Cliff said that GoW was exclusive like 1 month ago?

 

[GhaleonEB]

No you can't. What other franchise besides PGR and NBA 2k do you see that from?

Ghost Recon is not that kind of leap.
Madden 2006 is not that kind of leap
NHL 2k6 XBox is not that kind of leap.
Ridge Racer is not that kind of leap.
Tony Hawk AW is not that kind of leap.
Quake is not that kind of leap. (Assuming Doom 3 -> Quake 4, not Quake 3 )


You picked the absolute best looking XBox 360 game and claim that that same jump is representative is absolutely wrong.

Disagree on those first two, but your overall point is valid. (latest builds are pretty amazing)

Really, this entire debate comes down to the fact that some developers are going to push the hardware further than others. Is this really such a shock? SC is in no way out of line here. I disagree on some of the specifics (KAMEO) but of course some games are more incrimental improvements than the hardware allows. That's been the case in every gen.

 

[Beer Monkey]

360 jump is definitely as big as PS2 jump, but you're going to notice a lot more on an HDTV or VGA connection of live games than you will be looking at 320x240 screenshots of Tekken games. :lol

If you are going to play 360 on a 27" analog TV with composite input, you certainly aren't going to notice as much of an improvement as is actually there. PS3 will also need a high-end display device to fully appreciate the improvements over past generations.

 

[sonycowboy]

Disagree on those first two, but your overall point is valid. (latest builds are pretty amazing)

Really, this entire debate comes down to the fact that some developers are going to push the hardware further than others. Is this really such a shock? SC is in no way out of line here. I disagree on some of the specifics (KAMEO) but of course some games are more incrimental improvements than the hardware allows. That's been the case in every gen.

I think there are two issues here. The late delivery of the dev kits has hurt the initial impression of the games.

But more than that, graphics this gen have the smallest jump that we've ever seen. It's more of a evolution of graphics capability than we've seen before.

360 jump is definitely as big as PS2 jump, but you're going to notice a lot more on an HDTV or VGA connection of live games than you will be looking at 320x240 screenshots of Tekken games. :lol

Not even close. The jump from PSOne -> PS2 was arguably the biggest leap we've seen, probably similar to the SNES -> PSOne era. I don't know which one was bigger. 3-D was a bigger leap overall, but the PSOne was still a first attempt at 3-D and hasn't aged all that well.

 

[TheDuce22]

Kameo belongs on that list after seeing the new video.

 

[Uncle]

Kameo belongs on that list after seeing the new video.

Someone should compare Kameo screens with Oddworld (or something similar) screens. Just to make sure, you know. We don't want the True Next-Gen name be tarnished, now do we?

 

[GhaleonEB]

I think there are two issues here. The late delivery of the dev kits has hurt the initial impression of the games.

But more than that, graphics this gen have the smallest jump that we've ever seen. It's more of a evolution of graphics capability than we've seen before.

This is true, but I'd also point out that games are starting to push more boundries than just visuals. I expect huge leaps in physics and AI this gen, which screens obviously don't conveny.

I don't really agree with the 'smallest jump' though. In absolute detail, perhaps this upcoming gen won't be as huge a leap, but in scale (not to mention physics and AI) the leap is huge. This is apparant in games like Kameo and Oblivion, where the screens look good but the sheer scale and amount of stuff going on are a big step up. We'll see more of this into the generation, certainly the launch lineup has its share of relative duds.

All that said - I think it's clear that the 360 launch games are about the most rushed ever. The fact that they are just now taking shape visually is a testament to how crunched the schedule is.

 

[TheDuce22]

Just compare everything with the silent hill old man. Apparently nothing is next gen enough. Some of you seriously need to quit gaming.

 

[sonycowboy]

All that said - I think it's clear that the 360 launch games are about the most rushed ever. The fact that they are just now taking shape visually is a testament to how crunched the schedule is.

Well, the PS2,PSP, & Gamecube Japanese launches would probably be more rushed, but that was one of the slight advantages of systems launching in Japan first. You get a few more months of software development on the games.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Just compare everything with the silent hill old man. Apparently nothing is next gen enough. Some of you seriously need to quit gaming.

Why? Even if someone doesn't think a game is next gen graphically it doesn't mean they can't still like how it plays.

 

[trmas]

Kameo and PGR3 look stunning in the 720p movies that Blim has. I mean seriously stunning. PDZ looks pretty good, but it isn't close to either of those two. Oblivion and COD2 are PC games, so they definately aren't next-gen.

Kameo and PGR3 for the win. I think GoW can be added once the framerate is cleaned up. As for the PS3, I would consider Heavenly Sword a true game with gameplay, and IMO it cleans the clock of all the 360 titles with the exception of Kameo and PGR3 technically.

I'm interested to see HS on final PS3 kits.

 

[TheDuce22]

Why? Even if someone doesn't think a game is next gen graphically it doesn't mean they can't still like how it plays.

So what IS next gen? MGS4?? That cant be because snake doesnt look much better than the silent hill old man. You could go through every single game on both sides and say its not next gen because of whatever ps2 or xbox game that looks comparable. WHEN WILL IT END!!

 

[Trustus Jones]

Someone should compare Kameo screens with Oddworld (or something similar) screens. Just to make sure, you know. We don't want the True Next-Gen name be tarnished, now do we?

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