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[mid83]

I read somewhere, not sure which article, that the administration claims the counties listed are ones where they aren’t able to vet potential refugees/immigrants through their respective governments. It also said they dropped Sudan as a banned country because they apparently are able to get what they need vetting wise from the Sudan government.

Now if people believe that reason or not is another question, but it seems like this is how the administration is attempting to sell this.

 

[skullmuffins]

At least this shows that he is not just targeting Muslims.

Or he is targeting muslims and adding a couple provisions with little impact on other countries (I don't think many North Koreans are trying to travel to the US, and the Venezuelan ban only applies to some government officials and their families) is a way to slap a fig leaf on muslim ban 3.0 so it'll be more likely to pass muster in the courts.

 

[Hazmat]

At least this shows that he is not just targeting Muslims.

It's almost as if these pointless additions were added solely as "evidence" that the administration isn't just targeting Muslims.

 

[Ishan]

I wonder how many North Koreans even try to travel to us ... Venezuela ban is wierd has this been done before (banning govt affiliated entities but not general populace ? Just curious ) ...

All other asides I'm not a fan of the indefinite timeline on these restrictions

 

[KonradLaw]

His north korea ban makes no sense.

I mean, who does this affect? The citizens arent even allowed to leave the country

it's the only ban that actually does make some sense. Altough it really should be delegated employment ban, not travel one. One of NK's regime's big sources of income is from north korean workers who were sent to be directly employeed in the west. EU is putting such sanctions now and the delegated workers will be expelled.

 

[brian577]

it's the only ban that actually does make some sense. Altough it really should be delegated employment ban, not travel one. One of NK's regime's big sources of income is from north korean workers who were sent to be directly employeed in the west. EU is putting such sanctions now and the delegated workers will be expelled.

You're thinking of China and Russia. NK workers are not sent to the EU or US.

 

[Beartruck]

This is exactly what I figured he'd do: make the "90-day ban" permanent. Its so fucking transparent.

 

[KonradLaw]

You're thinking of China and Russia. NK workers are not sent to the EU or US.

There are 250 of them here in Poland

 

[brian577]

There are 250 of them here in Poland

You learn something new.

 

[danm999]

His north korea ban makes no sense.

I mean, who does this affect? The citizens arent even allowed to leave the country

Cover so they can say it's not a Muslim ban.

 

[Oberon]

Christ, it says a lot about Trump when countries like Venezuela are on this list yet Turkey and Saudi Arabia are nowhere to be seen.

It's a little consistency so hard for this orange motherfucker? Either go all in or fuck off with your arbitrary made up rules.

Mhmm, Turkey might be getting more dictatory recently but its nowhere near as bad as SA or even Russia, why would the US put a travel ban on them?

 

[sechsterangriff]

You're thinking of China and Russia. NK workers are not sent to the EU or US.

North Korean managed restaurants are one of their major sources of foreign currency.

 

[Lightning_Roller]

If he's doing this, I'm gonna take a wild guess and say either a big news story is gonna hit soon or he is just continuing to be a prick. My gut is going for the former and a bit of the latter.

 

[Amalthea]

Slapping bans on countries is propably the only kind of "sweeping" slapping this prick is capable of.

 

[maxcriden]

NK would have made sense had it been implemented from the beginning, but it took him having a dick-measuring contest with Kim Jong-Un to enact it.

Putting Venezuela in makes no sense though. Aren't people trying to escape from there?

So he's closing the door to people attempting to escape oppressive regimes? Who the fuck else is coming from North Korea and Venezuela?

What is he hoping to accomplish with this?

I hope this doesn't affect resident gaffer Machado.

I believe that's the point. He's pretty much made it clear that refugees fleeing war-torn nations are NOT welcome in the United States. As far as he's concerned, they can fuck right off and die.


That was the old, not-so-great USA. 2017 America plays by different rules.

Just to clarify this,

The new restrictions on Chad and North Korea are a broad ban on nationals from those countries entering the U.S. For Venezuela, restrictions apply to government officials and their immediate family.

From NPR: http://www.npr.org/2017/09/24/55335...-ban-expands-beyond-muslim-majority-countries.

I was relieved to read this since it indicates those suffering in Venezuela can still come to the US if they have the opportunity.

 

[PeskyToaster]

His travel bans remind me how since we were in perpetual war with Soviet Bloc states we accepted no people from those countries at all what so ever.

Waaaaaaaaaaait a minute.

A great way to destabilize and de-legitimize a regime you don't like would be to encourage and facilitate people leaving it. If people are desperately fleeing your regime it's hard to spin it as a good thing. There's a reason they had to build the Berlin Wall and it wasn't to keep the gloriousness of communism to themselves.

 

[WedgeX]

I am sure he would slap travel bans on NFL players if he can.

Just wait until the "No Fly List" for individuals gets updated.

 

[Beartruck]

Kinda crazy how fast this has become the new normal. The original thread about the 90 day ban was thousands of posts, and yet the thread announcing him making the ban permanent barely gets to 2 pages.

 

[Zolo]

https://twitter.com/yjtorbati/status/913132988027764736

 

[kevin1025]

https://twitter.com/yjtorbati/status/913132988027764736

He makes some excellent points.

 

[ebullientprism]

It's almost as if these pointless additions were added solely as "evidence" that the administration isn't just targeting Muslims.

I read somewhere that about 9 people came in to the US from NK in the last year. Wonder how many were non diplomats.

If it convinces anyone that its not a muslim ban then they never really thought it was in the first place.

 

[Chittagong]

https://twitter.com/yjtorbati/status/913132988027764736

Glad we got the Sudan question cleared

 

[Darksol]

https://twitter.com/yjtorbati/status/913132988027764736

Eloquent and well reasoned as always.

 

[Raylan Targaryen]

And there isn't a judge in the country stupid enough to be blind enough to this obvious sleight of hand.

what? there are judges dumber than trump

for example, the judge that let that kid get off free because of affluenza