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TV Time! ~16:9 CRT Edition~

DaCocoBrova

Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
Help me decide... So far, I'm leaning toward the two w/ HDMI since my receiver can handle the switching.

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Toshiba - 30HF84 ~$750 (HDMI Compatible)

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Panasonic CT-30WX54 ~$730

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Philips 30PW8402 ~$750 (HDMI Compatible)




Which do I go with?
 
Go with the Panny. I've had the CT-34WX54 for over a year and love it. Bring in a Xbox and a Team Ninja game and compare the pictures. I did a side-by-side with the Toshiba and Sony XBR before purchasing. Sony rocks for film stuff, but for games and 1080i natively-filmed stuff I love the Panny picture. Personal preferance, though.

HDMI is nice but I doubt DVI + Toslink is going anywhere for a long time, so I don't know if I'd let that be the deciding factor. I figure by the time they faze out DVI, I'll want a CNT-FED TV or whatever the hell is out by then. :D

Bottom line though, make your purchase based on the picture style you like. Make sure to view the source that's most important to you (e.g., game console) on each TV.
 
True.

Plus the Philips is ugly. Leaning toward this one...

Toshiba 30HF83

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$199 for shipping is too much to swallow tho.
 
There's a crapload of negative things said about that Toshiba model on Amazon.com.

I would seriously take a looksee there before diving in.

Sources fed through the colorstream component inputs are full of grain and poor coloration. The geometry of the set is so bad that any vertical lines in the middle of the screen bend around. Anytime a window, building, or doorframe appears in a DVD, it curves at the center of the screen. I have calibrated the set with DVE to no avail. Even the service menu does not seem to contain a way to fix the poor geometry.

Scary.
 
I am fairly satisfied with my recently-purchased Philips CRT (not the model you're thinking of, but a Philips at least), if that helps you at all.
 
I know this is not one of your choices, but my Sony 30" widescreen has only brought me happiness. I think my exact model is the 30HS420.
 
I know you didn't mention it, but I just bought the Samsung 26-in HDTV (TX-P2675WHD) and I'm really happy with it. The cool thing about the Samsung is that it has a built-in tuner for over the air HDTV signals. I was watching a football game on ABC in HDTV for the first time and I could not fucking believe how clear every little detail was -- amazing. The set does have some nasty red push, but I got some advice that helped it a lot. I went into the service menu and brought the "col axis" variable down from 2 to 1. Made a big difference. Anyway, just throwing this out there for your consideration. :)
 
My mistake, it's actually the CT-34WX53 that I own, not the CT-34WX54. Good lord, they made the 54 series ugly this year. I think the main difference is the 53 has DVI, the 54 added HDMI and got uglier. Here's a pic of the CT-34WX53:

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The darker grey around the outside of the picture is actually glass, I think. Looks very classy. I'd assume the 30" version is the same; wonder if there are any of these "old models" out there still? Maybe you could get a good deal on one, I'm sure the tube is the same...
 
Thomson WB843
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My new TV (early next year anyway!)

Of course UK is well behind on HiDef but that Thomson supports Component and 720p so should do me for a good while.
 
gollumsluvslave said:
Of course UK is well behind on HiDef but that Thomson supports Component and 720p so should do me for a good while.

Wow, 720p natively? There aren't many direct-views that do that right now. Nice enough looking TV though, any idea on the price?
 
Inumaru said:
Wow, 720p natively? There aren't many direct-views that do that right now. Nice enough looking TV though, any idea on the price?

I can not say for sure but I bet this TV upconverts the 720p.
 
Shantyman
I can not say for sure but I bet this TV upconverts the 720p

It's possible, but I've seen a few posts at AVForums saying that this TV supports 720p native. It's little brother WB643 supports 480p native

Price wise this set goes for between £800-1200 depending on the retailer, the WB643 which is still a great set by all accounts can be had for £650 which is great for a component input prog scan TV in UK.

The main reason I want the WB843 is it looks better!

The WB643:-
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The WB843 is identical to the WB643 except for the black frame and built-in stand. Neither model supports 720p.
 
I'm pretty happy with my Sony direct view. The important thing for me is that standard def TV looks good since that's what I'm watching on it like 90% of the time.

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Do you mean that there is one TV with a stand and other does not have the stand? Or that the post above mine has a very similar looking TV?

I don't have the stand... I was just posting different shots... anyways... the post above mine looks exactly like my TV, so that might be mine if it is 27"
 
BojTrek said:
Do you mean that there is one TV with a stand and other does not have the stand? Or that the post above mine has a very similar looking TV?

I don't have the stand... I was just posting different shots... anyways... the post above mine looks exactly like my TV, so that might be mine if it is 27"

Title of thread "... 16:9 ..."

The TV in your pics is 4:3. Just a guess.
 
^

Bingo. Thanks Boj... I just can't go back to 4:3 now, after getting a 16:9 LCD TV.
 
I adore my Toshiba HDTV. I just wish it had 720p support. Does anyone know why 720p isn't available in a CRT?

Panasonic TVs are generally very good.
 
I'm now seriously thinking about buying a new TV set for the 2005/2006 next generation consoles. The main problem is that as all europeans finding tv sets that supports even 720p is very difficult, especially for CRT tvs.
I hate thomson TVs with a passion, so the one presented in this topic is not an option.
Any idea to replace my beloved Sony Wega KV32FX60 ?
 
Blimblim said:
I'm now seriously thinking about buying a new TV set for the 2005/2006 next generation consoles. The main problem is that as all europeans finding tv sets that supports even 720p is very difficult, especially for CRT tvs.
I hate thomson TVs with a passion, so the one presented in this topic is not an option.
Any idea to replace my beloved Sony Wega KV32FX60 ?
If you're buying it for next-gen consoles, why not wait a little while? The first of the bunch (Xenon) isn't scheduled to hit for almost a year, and by waiting, you'll save yourself some money through the inevitable decreasing costs of the TVs.
 
human5892 said:
If you're buying it for next-gen consoles, why not wait a little while? The first of the bunch (Xenon) isn't scheduled to hit for almost a year, and by waiting, you'll save yourself some money through the inevitable decreasing costs of the TVs.
That's the plan, but if someone had an idea for a good TV right now, I would have a hard time not buying as my Wega is starting to have a bit too much color bleeding (reds especially). It can wait a few more months of course.
 
Blimblim said:
That's the plan, but if someone had an idea for a good TV right now, I would have a hard time not buying as my Wega is starting to have a bit too much color bleeding (reds especially). It can wait a few more months of course.
Ah, righto. That's actually a very similar situation to what I just went through -- my current TV suddenly began to have ghastly color bleeding on the reds (it actually got so bad that the overall picture took on a reddish hue).
 
human5892 said:
Ah, righto. That's actually a very similar situation to what I just went through -- my current TV suddenly began to have ghastly color bleeding on the reds (it actually got so bad that the overall picture took on a reddish hue).
It's not that bad for me, only a 3-4 pixels bleeding on very bright red vs (white or green) borders. I can live with this, especially since everything else looks really great on this TV.
End of 2005 will be very hard for my bank account if everything goes as planned (import Xbox 2 + new TV + new sound system = €€€€)
 
Warm Machine said:
I adore my Toshiba HDTV. I just wish it had 720p support. Does anyone know why 720p isn't available in a CRT?

Mostly cost. It takes higher end electronics to support faster refresh rates. It's cheaper just to resample the signal to either 480p or 1080i, rather than implement a true 720p mode.
 
DCB if u can afford it these are the best direct view TVs. 34" Widescreen XBR® HDTV
KD-34XBR960

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the super fine pitch tube is awesome. So good my wife could tell the difference between it and another lesser hdtv.
 
^^^Second that, the super fine XBR CRTs are pretty jaw-dropping.

Tosh. also offers an HFX line with a better video amp. You might check around and see what you find. I personally have a Panasonic that's a few years old. I bought it then for its incredible blacks, and they are still the best around.
 
Blazyr said:
^^^Second that, the super fine XBR CRTs are pretty jaw-dropping.

Tosh. also offers an HFX line with a better video amp. You might check around and see what you find. I personally have a Panasonic that's a few years old. I bought it then for its incredible blacks, and they are still the best around.

I have an older 36HFX72 4:3 HDTV. Image quality is spectacular. The 16:9 compression mode is excellent. TV itself is 195 lbs! The geometry when something is not in progressive is the only irritant besides the lack of 720p. Colors and contrast are absolutely beautiful.

I'm really wary of Sony stuff. They normally have really shit geometry and a horrendous overuse of the autocontrast filter (which is the bain of modern TVs). Manufacturing is also very flimsy. I do think that their older 40" HDTV XBR was amazing though. Nicest HD picture I've seen outside of a new plasma.
 
gollumsluvslave said:
Shantyman


It's possible, but I've seen a few posts at AVForums saying that this TV supports 720p native. It's little brother WB643 supports 480p native

People still confuse such things, so I wouldn't go by that.

Anyways, if that thing really did 1280x720 without upconverting, Klee would have known (but he didn't mention it when I asked for 720P native CRTs). ;)
 
I've been reading this thread and I've seen some pretty awesome TVs but can someone help me choose one? I'd like it to be 16:9, Component inputs, and it can cost anywhere from $500-$800.
 
ok, really simple run through. basically, standard normal tvs draw the picture every other line of the screen at a time, to simplify this we'll just say 240 lines at a time, for a total of 480 lines. This is called interlaced. You notice it if you look reaaaally close to a tv, you see black lines flickering between the pixels. 480p, the next step up from standard television, is progressive scan. It draws the entire image at once, for a smooth, brighter picture with no black lines. then you go up to 720p, which draws 720 horizontal lines on the tv, up from the 480. then finally you have 1080i. this is interlaced again, but it draws 540 lines at a time, for a total of 1080. still has faint lines if you get REALLY close up, but hardly noticeable comparitively, because the lines drawn are so much denser together on the screen than in standard tv. eventually, 1080i will become a new standard, and it is VERY nice. ultra-high res and no interlacing at all. ah and also, only 720p and up are considered "true" high definition television. most videogames these days only support 480p if they do, with some xbox games having 720p and a very few with 1080i. and dvd movies right now are usually only encoded in 480p, but im not 100% on this so someone might want to correct me.
 
ImNotLikeThem said:
explanation sans line breaks...

Accurate in spirit, though:

-Your explanation sort of runs on and says 1080i is interlaced, then isn't. Casualty of quick writing? :)

-no guarantee that 1080i will eventually become the new standard. Bandwidth limits with HDTV have split the market between 1080i and 720p, and since 1080i has a framerate limit too, 720p is probably going to be the real darling for future consoles in the future.

-Most DVD movies are actually still in 480i. Unfortunately the DVD spec has to be messed with a bit to support progressive encodes, so even what is thought to be a fully progressive disc (say, a Pixar feature maybe) generally still has interlaced frames at various parts of the disc. Higher resolution outputs also aren't really supported in the spec, hence the new disc formats on the way.
 
seanoff said:
DCB if u can afford it these are the best direct view TVs. 34" Widescreen XBR® HDTV
KD-34XBR960

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the super fine pitch tube is awesome. So good my wife could tell the difference between it and another lesser hdtv.


Afford it... Yes. Justify it... No.

I'd have to see the thing in action to take that kind of plunge. I work in A/V integration, so I get to play w/ high end display devices every day. I always look at invoices to see what the prices are, and I'm always amazed how expensive sh!t is, yet hardly ever feel that they're worth cost regardless of image quality.

One thing I noticed the other day while looking at TVs, is that a 30" 16:9 set is rather small. Yet adding 2 to 4 inches in screen size jacks the price up $300 on average. That's a lot of scrill for a few measily inches, you know.

I wish I didn't hate projection sets so much, because the screen size : $$ ratio is way better.
 
i'd get the toshiba, looks nice..
The panasonic looks ugly and it would ruin the look of my living room.
The phillips is just plain shit.

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This is also a superb TV, although i dont like panasonic, i bought this tv a few months ago and it looks stunning on 1080i... breathtaking really. The only problem with my set is that the top left hand corner of the screen slants downwards.. it's distracting when watching those super wide-screen movies , otherwise you cant really tell.
I dont actually know if it's the same model as mine, but looks the same. Mine supports standard PAL and NTSC interlaced, 576P, 480P, and 1080i.. it doesn't recognise 720P at all.
 
99.9% of all DVDs out there are progressive scan. DVD players vary in terms of their speed and consistency at pushing out a progressive signal. Thats why you see the interlaced frames. Take a capture of pretty well any DVD out there and you'll see that it is indeed one single solid image.

For the more resolution interested.

480p = 720x480
720p = 1280x720
1080i/p =1920x1080

There are modes and cheating between this such as games running in 640x480 while still prescribing to the 720x480 mode. HD-DVD and Blu Ray disc will both support a full 1080p signal which will be interlaced to fit a 1080i TV in hardware just like a regular DVD player builds a 480i signal out of a 480p source.
 
Philips HDTVs are great for movies and TV (much better than the Toshiba and Panny) but completely suck for gaming. Keep that in mind.
 
What makes the Sony so good is that the horizontal res is actually around 1440 lines. ie double 720P.

People know this because some people here use them as monitors for their PCs and the resolution is outstanding.
 
Philips HDTVs are great for movies and TV (much better than the Toshiba and Panny) but completely suck for gaming. Keep that in mind.

Sucks for what reason?
 
Sony Wega KV-HZ29" SE Asian model
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I know it isnt widescreen but I have never watched an form of broadcast TV on it, I dont even have cable or an antenna! Strictly games and DVDs.

My Xbox has Media Center which upconverts to 1080i and I almost shit my pants watching the "Napoleon Dynamite" intro credits. Hopefully one day they will start broadcasting HDTV in SE Asia, until then my TV is just a really expensive gaming accessory.

One slight problem though, with the "super fine-pitch" I notice alot of jaggies that I didnt notice before I made the conversion to HDTV. Games like Super Monkey Ball-2 actually look better on S-video on the old JVC, go figure...

Overall though I am very happy to have this sexy maching in my room!
 
Warm Machine said:
99.9% of all DVDs out there are progressive scan. DVD players vary in terms of their speed and consistency at pushing out a progressive signal. Thats why you see the interlaced frames. Take a capture of pretty well any DVD out there and you'll see that it is indeed one single solid image.

...which has absolutely nothing to do with whether the DVD contains a progressive or interlaced signal. The mpeg decoder is simply providing the deinterlacing/3:2 pulldown needed to show the image on your PC, just as a pro-scan player would do.

A good writeup on the subject is here.
 
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