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Twelve-year old boy tried to blow up bomb at German Christmas market

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Mivey

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Steel said:
It actually can be translated as 72 raisins, so...
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72 raisins for all eternity is basically nothing. Whoever writes religious texts should have studied more economy.
At best you might use Ackermann(i,i) to determine how long to wait after eating the i-th raisin. I guess the good part is, since you are dead, you wouldn't starve.
 
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SolarPowered

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tornjaw said:
While I was in Afghanistan, one of my interpreters told me the story of how/why he ran away from the Taliban. They (the Taliban) had been going village to village offering to take sons from families and offer them education in addition to food/shelter/clothing which was a struggle in some of these places so many families let go of their children despite the fact that they lost of a set of hands.

This next part is a little fuzzy because it's been a while but the gist is that he and another boy were told that they were going to go to, not a rally, but more like a public address from a local mayor and the other boy had been given a backpack to wear. The boys were told that once the speech was over, they were both to clap very hard and flowers would shoot out of the backpack and the mayor would give them each 100USD.

Only one boy had the backpack but they were both made to wear jackets because the boy with the pack had thin, metal strips lining his arms (copper?) and was told DO NOT clap or grasp hands before the speech was over or they wouldn't get the money. The other boy (my interpreter) was to hold one of his hands, kind of as a fail safe I guess, to prevent him from it.

Halfway through the speech, the boy with the backpack became uncomfortable and started complaining and asked one of the adults nearest them to help him remove his backpack because it was so heavy. So after struggling to to do, because it had been wire/sewn into the jacket they unzipped it to discover the bomb inside.

That was when he realized that there were no flowers. There was no money. They had sent the two of them to kill these people and die themselves and so, he ran away, leaving the other boy. He was 9.
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This is the most insane post I've ever read on gaf.
 
Patrick S.

Patrick S.

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Yeah, the thought of going to the market in Frankfurt this year was already making me feel a bit queasy. This doesn't help.
 
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Kill Your Masters

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Patrick S. said:
Yeah, the thought of going to the market in Frankfurt this year was already making me feel a bit queasy. This doesn't help.
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I went there multiple times without ever thinking about getting bombed.

Chances are higher you get hit by a car, or killed by a mugger, or getting killed by your own furniture, than a terrorist attack.
 
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His Majesty

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astroturfing said:
yeah man.

what does the American president elect have to say about this? he promised to kill the terrorists families! are the armed forces ready to start bombing Germany for mr Trump?
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Chances are high that he was influenced by his immediate surroundings, whether it be his parents, siblings, uncles or local imams.

Isolated cases of radicalization can happen of course but it seems to me that they are quite rare.
 
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Sölf

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tornjaw said:
While I was in Afghanistan, one of my interpreters told me the story of how/why he ran away from the Taliban. They (the Taliban) had been going village to village offering to take sons from families and offer them education in addition to food/shelter/clothing which was a struggle in some of these places so many families let go of their children despite the fact that they lost of a set of hands.

This next part is a little fuzzy because it's been a while but the gist is that he and another boy were told that they were going to go to, not a rally, but more like a public address from a local mayor and the other boy had been given a backpack to wear. The boys were told that once the speech was over, they were both to clap very hard and flowers would shoot out of the backpack and the mayor would give them each 100USD.

Only one boy had the backpack but they were both made to wear jackets because the boy with the pack had thin, metal strips lining his arms (copper?) and was told DO NOT clap or grasp hands before the speech was over or they wouldn't get the money. The other boy (my interpreter) was to hold one of his hands, kind of as a fail safe I guess, to prevent him from it.

Halfway through the speech, the boy with the backpack became uncomfortable and started complaining and asked one of the adults nearest them to help him remove his backpack because it was so heavy. So after struggling to to do, because it had been wire/sewn into the jacket they unzipped it to discover the bomb inside.

That was when he realized that there were no flowers. There was no money. They had sent the two of them to kill these people and die themselves and so, he ran away, leaving the other boy. He was 9.
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I would have to lie if I said I am shocked that they do this. But I am not shocked at all.
Still, jesus.

This kid also, send help.
 
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Mr. Giggles

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astroturfing said:
yeah man.

what does the American president elect have to say about this? he promised to kill the terrorists families! are the armed forces ready to start bombing Germany for mr Trump?
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I dunno about that but he's busy tweeting about this, I'm sure he'll tweet about refugees in a bit

Androidsleeps said:
I, in part, agree. What the fuck kind of parent are you if your 12 year old ends being an ISIS recruit who got/made a bomb with a plan to blow it up in a market?! They definitely bear responsibility.
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The kind that:
1) is either complicit, telling their kid to do this so they can go to heaven

2) incompetent as fuck and shouldn't be having kids

My money is on (1)
 
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Sho_Nuff82

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Miles Quaritch said:
So he's German, weird the article writer felt the need to add the parents place of birth.
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Weird? I think the implication is that his parental history of being from Arab descent played a role in his radicalization, as his family was likely already Muslim. It contextualizes the story and the child's motives.

I think it would be bizarre (and raise alot more questions) if a German family from Austria or Poland suddenly came down with a case of radical Islamism.

In either case, I hope they're able to get some information from him, if ISIS is operating locally, if the kid has a handler or if he was part of a larger cell, if he was radicalized at a local meeting group or online, etc.
 
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Metroxed

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Miles Quaritch said:
So he's German, weird the article writer felt the need to add the parents place of birth.
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Being born in Germany does not necessarily mean being German. Most European countries have nationality laws that follow the Jus sanguinis principle. Your citizenship is determined by the citizenship of your parents, not by the place you are born in.
 
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azyless

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So he tried to make bombs go off in the center of town not once but twice, and the only thing we can do is give him to social services ? I'm sure that's gonna go well.
 
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Easy_D

never left the stone age
Using children? God damn monsters. Not that it wasn't known that they are monsters already, but still. Ugh.
 
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Aske

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NiiloPielinen said:
You're trying to apply thought process of normal human to understand the mindset of persons motivated by fanatical ideology.

They are fanatics, they already have the Truth (tm) and truly believe they are enabling God's will on earth by doing things like these.
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Of course you're right, but being fixated on a specific ideology doesn't necessarily mean someone's mentally ill or incapable of empathy. These people aren't robots either. I just can't help but wonder how they process information like this.
 
Charles Brandon

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tornjaw said:
While I was in Afghanistan, one of my interpreters told me the story of how/why he ran away from the Taliban. They (the Taliban) had been going village to village offering to take sons from families and offer them education in addition to food/shelter/clothing which was a struggle in some of these places so many families let go of their children despite the fact that they lost of a set of hands.

This next part is a little fuzzy because it's been a while but the gist is that he and another boy were told that they were going to go to, not a rally, but more like a public address from a local mayor and the other boy had been given a backpack to wear. The boys were told that once the speech was over, they were both to clap very hard and flowers would shoot out of the backpack and the mayor would give them each 100USD.

Only one boy had the backpack but they were both made to wear jackets because the boy with the pack had thin, metal strips lining his arms (copper?) and was told DO NOT clap or grasp hands before the speech was over or they wouldn't get the money. The other boy (my interpreter) was to hold one of his hands, kind of as a fail safe I guess, to prevent him from it.

Halfway through the speech, the boy with the backpack became uncomfortable and started complaining and asked one of the adults nearest them to help him remove his backpack because it was so heavy. So after struggling to to do, because it had been wire/sewn into the jacket they unzipped it to discover the bomb inside.

That was when he realized that there were no flowers. There was no money. They had sent the two of them to kill these people and die themselves and so, he ran away, leaving the other boy. He was 9.
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fucking hell
 
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michaelius

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Ragnar Blackmane said:
Germany continues to be extremely lucky when it comes to domestic terrorism.

Thank god we only ever seem to have amateur lone wolves rather than the ISIS syrian war veterans returnees and actual professionals that did the Paris attacks a year ago (or even French/Belgian lone wolves that are far more dangerously creative and sucessful).
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It's very unlikely to be just luck. Some kind of procedures or government agencies must be working there differently. Plus I belive there are no "lawless zones" in German cities where police is afraid to enter without APC.
 
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Jasup

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Aske said:
Of course you're right, but being fixated on a specific ideology doesn't necessarily mean someone's mentally ill or incapable of empathy. These people aren't robots either. I just can't help but wonder how they process information like this.
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Empathy is a powerful tool in radicalization process, it's just steered towards your own group. It's a common story of "being moved by the blight of your people". The problem of course is that for radicalization there needs to be another process in place, that is dehumanizing the others so that you would not feel empathy towards them. Emotionally immature children are easy to exploit, but if they get the help they need the process is much easier to reverse than with adults.

There is also another exploitable thing, our need to be accepted. If you look at how echo chambers work in social media for instance and how the rhetoric easily goes from semi neutral to full on hate over time, it's due to this. Basically if you're in insulated social bubble, you get feedback from others within that same bubble. The internal group dynamics form where those who stand up get more recognition, thus more "acceptance tokens". If you want to get accepted you usually have to follow or up the ante even more, because dissent could mean losing your status or being thrown out. Because we want to belong in a group and because we are malleable, a vicious circle easily forms.

Back on topic: Yes, this is bad news. Luckily the bomb failded, and I hope the kid gets the help he needs.
 
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Dalibor68

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Reminds me of the story of a radicalized 14yo boy who wanted to blow up a big train station in Vienna. They arrested him, I think he was in youth prison for a few months with assisted deradicalization support, they let him out because he seemed fine and then a week later he had disappeared and radicalized again now got a proper jail sentence.

Saying this child(if he even really is 12 - if you talk to law inforcement there is an insane amount of refugees lying about their age, to a point where last week a law was passed with stricter penalties in that regard) needs help is good and all, just don't be too naive, it might cost lives in the end.
 
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Morrigan Stark

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tornjaw said:
While I was in Afghanistan, one of my interpreters told me the story of how/why he ran away from the Taliban. They (the Taliban) had been going village to village offering to take sons from families and offer them education in addition to food/shelter/clothing which was a struggle in some of these places so many families let go of their children despite the fact that they lost of a set of hands.

This next part is a little fuzzy because it's been a while but the gist is that he and another boy were told that they were going to go to, not a rally, but more like a public address from a local mayor and the other boy had been given a backpack to wear. The boys were told that once the speech was over, they were both to clap very hard and flowers would shoot out of the backpack and the mayor would give them each 100USD.

Only one boy had the backpack but they were both made to wear jackets because the boy with the pack had thin, metal strips lining his arms (copper?) and was told DO NOT clap or grasp hands before the speech was over or they wouldn't get the money. The other boy (my interpreter) was to hold one of his hands, kind of as a fail safe I guess, to prevent him from it.

Halfway through the speech, the boy with the backpack became uncomfortable and started complaining and asked one of the adults nearest them to help him remove his backpack because it was so heavy. So after struggling to to do, because it had been wire/sewn into the jacket they unzipped it to discover the bomb inside.

That was when he realized that there were no flowers. There was no money. They had sent the two of them to kill these people and die themselves and so, he ran away, leaving the other boy. He was 9.
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Fuck.... Assuming this story is all true (and I have no reason to believe it isn't*), this is just pure evil.

* Similar to this:

In some cases, they are simply lied to. Some were given an amulet containing Koranic verses and told it would help them survive. Some handlers gave children keys to hang round their necks and were told the gates of paradise will open for them​

Dalibor68 said:
Saying this child(if he even really is 12 - if you talk to law inforcement there is an insane amount of refugees lying about their age
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Read the fucking article. He was born in Germany.
 
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Jasup

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Dalibor68 said:
Reminds me of the story of a radicalized 14yo boy who wanted to blow up a big train station in Vienna. They arrested him, I think he was in youth prison for a few months with assisted deradicalization support, they let him out because he seemed fine and then a week later he had disappeared and radicalized again now got a proper jail sentence.

Saying this child(if he even really is 12 - if you talk to law inforcement there is an insane amount of refugees lying about their age, to a point where last week a law was passed with stricter penalties in that regard) needs help is good and all, just don't be too naive, it might cost lives in the end.
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Let's address the age first. The boy is born in Germany and apparently has lived his whole life in Germany, so I think we can be pretty sure he's 12.

And then let's talk about the need for help. I said I hope he gets the help he needs - as in help that would deradicalize him. The example you gave is an example where the used methods of rehabilitation were insufficient to address the problem. There are other ways to give help and they don't always entail sending the child back home.
 
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E92 M3

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Parents have to be involved somehow. I'd put the whole family on a government watchlist. Fortunately lots of people were saved due to incompetence.
 
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FStop7

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GeoNeo said:
So they welcome him and his family into their country and he turns around doing shit for ISIS..sicking cunts using children like that.

Sad thing is ordinary Muslims will pay the price as this is branded as another threat from Islam in the west and you see more and more "Trump's" pop up Worldwide and pass new laws.
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It says he was born in the same town.

Miles Quaritch said:
So he's German, weird the article writer felt the need to add the parents place of birth.
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You know exactly why. Can't feed the paranoia without slipping that in there.
 
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Dalibor68

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FStop7 said:
You know exactly why. Can't feed the paranoia without slipping that in there.
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What does it have to do with paranoia? When a 12yo tries to kill god knows how many with a bomb on a christmas market then of course his motivation, radicalization and origin/influences are relevant.

Jasup said:
Let's address the age first. The boy is born in Germany and apparently has lived his whole life in Germany, so I think we can be pretty sure he's 12.

And then let's talk about the need for help. I said I hope he gets the help he needs - as in help that would deradicalize him. The example you gave is an example where the used methods of rehabilitation were insufficient to address the problem. There are other ways to give help and they don't always entail sending the child back home.
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Exactly. I just wanted to reiterate that its not a 'boys will be boys' kind of thing or something you can just erase from their heads shortterm
Morrigan Stark said:
Read the fucking article. He was born in Germany.
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No need for the aggression. The age thing is fact, but yes, I forgot that he was born in Germany, so you're right, it's not relevant in this case.
 
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Aske

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Dreams-Visions said:
Seems like half the thread is learning about child soldiers for the first time.
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I'm not especially surprised child soldiers exist: kids are clearly useful tools, and fairly easy to manipulate. I am surprised that their use in situations like this one doesn't give otherwise vehement radicals pause. Jasup's post was erudite and illuminating; I just couldn't imagine being so numbed to the exploitation of a child by nothing but aggressively-policed philosophy. But of course that's what happens, and what has always happened when atrocities are committed by large groups of people.

I don't want to write these guys off as animals or madmen, I want to know what stops them from questioning their ethics and the ethics of their peers. The answer is clearly a level of subcultural pressure of which I can barely conceive.
 
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Hussaro

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Germany been lucky or their intel has been spot on.

But they are in store for decades of terrorism. Eventually the islamists will get it right and a massive attack will be successful. Sooner or later something that makes 911 look small is bound to happen.
 
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Familienoberhauptvogel

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I imagine, and that's pure conjecture, many people especially kids are being radicalized over the internet. That's where ISIS spreads its propaganda and that's where they can communicate freely.
Now think back whether your parents knew what you were doing on the internet when you were younger, mine surely didn't. Consider the likes of 4chan, consider gamergate, the surge of the far right,...

Of course there's recruitment going on in mosques as well.

The parents should be investigated for their lack of supervision the least but they aren't automatically complicit or the perpetrators.
 
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